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Notice how nobody in the liberal-socialist media brings up Sarah Palin's ties to the Libertarian Party, which are much stronger and much more current.
Palin attended two Libertarian Party of Alaska meetings in 2005/06 as a guest speaker. She also accepted the endorsement of Libertarian Gubernatorial candidate Billy Toien - her opponent in the race - the last 3 days of election 2006.
But of course, calling Palin a "libertarian" would be too positive; it would actually help the McCain/Palin ticket by attracting libertarian votes. After all, the Libertarian Party is America's third largest party. So, the liberal-socialist media just concentrates on the much more obscure AIP connection.
Posted by Eric Dondero at October 6, 2008 01:02 PM
Man these people are nuts. I actually never heard of tpm and will make sure I never look at it again. But geesh, in six weeks the msm has done 50 anal exams of Palin and come up with nothing then have to make loads of crap up about her. By contrast in 20 months the msm will not report anything TRUE about Obama.
Posted by Harland at October 6, 2008 01:04 PM
As I've said, there is not only a fundamental difference between secession and terrorism, but the AIP doesn't even deserve the attacks it's getting from the Huffington Post. If anything, a lot of its practical goals on its platform are ones that liberals would cheer like getting rid of sovereign immunity for government agents, so that civil rights lawyers can actually nail them when they abuse their authority and commit crimes under the color of law, and the AIP supports jury nullification as a check on the legislature. All in all, the AIP is actually a very reasonable party if its platform is any indication, and seems to draw a lot of good views from both sides of the aisle.
Posted by Mike T at October 6, 2008 02:23 PM
So let me see. You are okay with someone saying he hates America as long as he is not Jeremiah Wright.
You people are jokers.
Posted by g at October 6, 2008 08:52 PM
Sarah Palin has real and documented connections to the Alaska Independence Party..
Alaska Independence Party leaders have also claimed that Sarah Palin was a member before she was elected mayor of Wasilla,
It is also an extreme right-wing party whose leaders in recent years have broken from the Republicans because they see the Bush-Cheney Republicans as "too liberal." Its present leaders have both praised Sarah Palin and denounced John McCain.
Here is a little history on the Alaska Independence Party. The Party was founded by an ultra-rightist gold miner, Joe Vogler in the 1970s with an "anti-American" platform. Palin has denounced those abroad in oil rich countries who "hate America." Joe Vogler hated America. He said in the 1970s, "I'm an Alaskan, not an American. I have no use for America or her damned institutions."
Later Vogler said that "the fires of hell are frozen glaciers compared to my hatred of the US government. And I won't be buried under their damn flag....when Alaska is an independent nation they can bring my bones home." He said this in an oral history interview at the University of Alaska in 1991, at which time Bill Ayers had rejected his own past and had become respectable. Two years later Vogler disappeared. A criminal subsequently confessed to murdering him in a conflict over the sale of plastic explosives (which may suggest terrorism).
At least Rev. Wright has never advocated seceding from America nor that the "fires of hell are frozen glacier compared to my hatred of the US..
To read the whole story go to-
http://www.politicalaffairs.net/article/articleview/7531/
Posted by Thedes at October 7, 2008 12:24 AM
There's a difference between pulpits and political lecterns, too. I actually meant to point that out in the post.
I don't need to defend anything Vogler or Wright say. I've been defending their right to say it for over two decades. (Defending from guys like Bill Ayers, as a matter of fact.)
AIP "far right'? No - libertarian, as I pointed out above. But I can understand why the marxist web site you linked (I'm not making that up, for those who didn't follow the link, it's Marxist Thought Online) sees them as "far right", and I understand why you people feel they are dangerous.
As for the full story, I linked the actual source page for the audio interview in the post above, and refrained from telling anyone how they needed to feel about what the man said therein. I'd urge anyone who wants the "whole story" to go listen to what he says and make up their own minds. Or visit the Alaskan Independence Party page also linked in the post itself.
Or believe what the Marxists tell you to believe.
Posted by Greyhawk at October 7, 2008 01:35 AM
This is completely off topic, but I received this by way of e-mail and it disturbs me greatly. I know that the left will destroy this country, but I have a hard time refuting what appears to be the fact that Republicans refuse full mandatory VA funding.
Any help on answering this challenge is appreciated.
http://www.veteranreportcard.org/reportcard.pdf
With this added note:
(If you're a veteran and don't like the message, I'm listening. If you
didn't serve, well, you know...)
Well, I'm not a veteran, but you are, or will be.
Posted by Clairice at October 7, 2008 10:22 PM
Kill the messenger so you can kill the message, eh' Greyhawk? The quotes are accurate regarding Joe Vogler. The left will destroy America? Good God people, just what kind of demented concept of "America" do you have? It seems something akin to the old Soviet Union! One Party, One Opinion, One Thought, One Leader! The only difference would be your mandatory "One Religion".
So did you hear on the news today that retirement accounts have now lost trillions in value? The stock market has taken another downturn? Nearly 700,000 people have lost their jobs in the last nine months? But what do you people want to talk about? Character assassination. Yeah, that's really going to the economy around. How about you Alaskans Firsters go live on an island and form your own country. You can appoint McCain and Palin as your dictators for life. You can call your new political organization "Breeders and Brainwashers for Jebuz". Just do all of us a big favor and quit calling yourselves Americans. You fools reek but not of patriotism.
Posted by Thedes at October 7, 2008 10:48 PM
Thedes ... the obstructive fingerprints of your fellow-travelers in Congress on the Left are all over this financial train wreck.
And if you think that the slouching towards socialism that such as these consistently advocate, will get us out of this mess, you need to study history.
You decry our focus on figuring out "who is Barack Obama" ... yet you are obsessed with someone the Palins stopped associating with YEARS and YEARS ago ... someone they NEVER had either a 20-year long relationship (like Obama/Wright) or a WORKING relationship (like Obama/Ayers).
Can you even see how hypocritical you are in pursuing this?
BTW, your theophobia and arrogance is showing.
Posted by Rich Casebolt at October 9, 2008 01:55 AM
You lost me on that "kill the messenger" bit Thedes - I have no idea what you're talking about.
And actually there's already a post up here detailing how the congressional Dems set off this financial crisis, so no avoiding. Nice try - but changing the subject once you realized how badly your attempt fell flat is pretty obvious to folks here, too.
Posted by Greyhawk at October 9, 2008 04:19 AM
Palin should be impeached, take a look at joe
vogler;they are members to the (AIP) Alaskan
Independence Party wanting THE ALASKAN SECESSIONIST. aGAINST OUR COUNTRY. Shocking?
Posted by voter at October 10, 2008 03:32 PM
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