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I've heard the first part of this sentiment expressed before, but never with this particular conclusion...
In Fallujah, enlisted marines have complained to an officer of my acquaintance: "There's nobody to shoot here, sir. If it's just going to be building schools and hospitals, that's what the Army is for, isn't it?"I'm not sure if Mr Ledeen realizes such a comment could easily reignite war in Iraq.
It would be a war between the US Army and US Marines - the two most
powerful fighting forces in the history of the world.
It would be fun. And ugly.
It would be fugly.
I assume the US Air Force would be flying air cover, filming the action and laughing their asses off.
Uncle JPosted by Uncle Jimbo at October 20, 2007 10:09 PM
Don't you know, that according to Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid, Code Pink, etc. supporting the troops means "bring our children home". Anything else means you want to see the troops heads blown off for you amusement.
The children don't know what's good for them, San Fran Gran knows better, she want's our kids home.
Ah, I don't think this message is reaching the Marines. Semper Fi.Posted by Jabba the Tutt at October 21, 2007 02:25 AM Cannoneer No. 4 at October 21, 2007 02:34 AM
In this case the media coverage will be one sided - the Marines have all the cameras....Posted by Retired Army Puke at October 21, 2007 03:39 AM
So...we need to ship them some paintballs and paintguns, and let them have at?Posted by I R A Darth Aggie at October 21, 2007 03:34 PM
The war in Iraq is always going to be a fog,with no clear win or loose type of distinction.The enemy tends to be no where but at the same time is everywhere.When they show themselves we win the battles.That said comparing fallujah today to oct 04-05-06 its a clear win.I don't think I would have said leave the building up to the army,although they do have all the equipment and personel to accomplish that mission.I asked my nephew yrs ago why the hell did you want to be a marine?We are first in,we draw first blood and we set the pace of the battle.Semper FiPosted by referman at October 21, 2007 05:11 PM
That Marine should read a complete history of the battle for the city he is in that occured 3 years ago this month, and then tell us who breached the berm and led the attack into Fallujah...here's a hint it wasn't the USMC.
Yeah, yeah it's all in good fun, a little inter-service rivalry...but it all gets a little old after a while to this Soldier.Posted by Outlaw13 at October 21, 2007 06:47 PM
I admitt it, the army does have "special" units that fight very well. But they are "Special Units".
The USMC has intergrated all 3 levels of combat into One. Their basic enlistment goal is not college, or be all you can be but are you good enough. They are Assault Forces not garrison.
Apparently the top commanders think so too as the Marines are leaving Iraq and moving to Afghanistan.
I am sure the army can cope...
Semper FiPosted by serfer62 at October 21, 2007 07:40 PM
Not to take anything away from the Marines, because they are good guys, however.
I would put the following Army units -- which are not "special troops" up against anyone in the world:
First Infantry Division (Big Red One)
First Cavalry Division
Tenth Mountain Division
Note that these three divisions are not Airborne, Rangers, Special Forces, or Air Assault. They are line units. And they are damn good. And tough.
I don't think you can take much away from the Third Infantry Division (Rock of the Marne) or the Fourth Infantry Division (Ivy) either.
The Marines have their role. So does the Army. Take the best units from both and there is little to choose between them. I love them both.Posted by Mark L at October 22, 2007 12:35 AM
does anybody know what happened to CVitizen Smash's Blog? I cannot access any of the archives and the last Postings seem to have disappeared from the main page.
Does anybody know what is going on?
Smash stopped blogging due to change in employment. But I'm sure he lurks around.Posted by Mrs G at October 22, 2007 10:42 PM
Yeah. He stopped posting a while ago, but now I havent gotten into his archives and all postings seem to be gone. I wonder why.