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Not sure if everyone has seen these videos of the US military in Iraq or not, but they are pretty amazing: Hopefully our 'surge' will not include too many of these types...
http://minor-ripper.blogspot.com/2006/12/winning-hearts-and-minds-part-three.html
Posted by MinorRipper at January 5, 2007 12:34 PM
Aside: MinorRipper has been spamming everyone who touches this story with
that same troop-slander site. The link has whatsoever to do with your blog post.
I added a link to your post at
CENTCOM says AP's "Iraqi police source" isn't Iraqi police -- Part 29.
Before we start a Free Jamil movement they have to find him and I'm still not
convinced he exists. A couple of
short excerpts from my post:
Color this old dog very, very skeptical. So, the Iraqi Police may or may
not arrest some dude and claim he's Jamil, then they may or may not put him in
a line-up where the AP people can claim "Yes we see him but we aren't going to
identify him; must protect our sources, y'know," and we're all supposed to
just forget about all those sole-sourced stories that still don't check out?
And our source for all this new-found knowledge is ... the AP?
And later:
You know where this is going, people. Check out this
paragraph from the AP piece Michelle linked to:
Hussein told the AP on Wednesday that he learned the arrest
warrant would be issued when he returned to work on Thursday after
the Eid al-Adha holiday. His phone was turned off Thursday and he
could not be reached for further comment.
What we're going to be hearing by Saturday is:
"Jamil's afraid of getting arrested so he's gone so deep
underground that even his old AP contacts can't find him. But we
really did talk to him last week. Really we did. Really!"
Posted by Bill Faith at January 5, 2007 02:46 PM
Do we call this the Dan Rather defense? It doesn't matter whether what he said is true or not, because he exists?
The AP reported demonstrable false information as fact. They are either gullible or liars. Either way, I won't trust anything from them as being credible.
The existence or identity of the source of the misinformation is not really relevant.
Posted by MarkD at January 5, 2007 04:25 PM
So let me get this straight. There really is a Capt. Jamil Hussein, but he "faces arrest" if anyone from AP identifies him in a lineup. Which they won't do. So we're left with "he exists because we say so."
I'm surprised it took AP this long to come up with this scam.
I'm still left wondering: if he exists, why does the Baghdad PD need AP to identify him?
I suspect that Jamil Hussein really does exist, but he is not actually a police captain; rather a terrorist impersonating a police officer. I'm sure he's not the first.
Bloggers have nothing to apologize for in this matter. AP still has a lot of explaining to do.
Posted by Pat Buchanatar at January 5, 2007 05:48 PM
There's no certainty at all that this guy is "the" Jamil Hussein of AP fame. If he is, he's apparently a terrorist shill, which is a better reason to arrest him than just giving out unauthorized [and probably false] news releases. I'll want to see a lot more information on this before I make any hard conclusions about Mr. Hussein and/or AP's status as a 5th Column rather than 4th Estate organization.
Posted by Ay Uaxe at January 5, 2007 07:08 PM
Jamil exists because some Ministry guy is supposed to have told AP that he exists, which AP then turns around and ebulliently reports. These are the same Ministry sorts as who are supposed to have been selling their country down the river for years now in exchage for bigger or smaller bribes.
Personally, I still don't believe Jamil exists, and even if said Ministry dude produces a dead body and points and says, "Look! That was him," I'll want to see some verifiable history that Jamil Hussein is and was a police captain.
I don't think AP played this well at all, and it stinks of desperation. The lesson of Watergate is that "the coverup is worse than the original crime", something that neither AP nor Iraqi Ministry guys seem to have learned.
(Little person posting in all caps and exclamation points is cute, don't you think? Reminds me of Baghdad Bob.)
Posted by NahnCee at January 6, 2007 06:36 PM
Minor's pasted the same message on Neo's site. Man, how much do these propagandists get paid?
Posted by Ymarsakar at January 7, 2007 02:46 AM
As I understand it now (and this story seems to change daily), police Capt. Jamil Hussein was the AP's source for 60+ stories, including the burning mosques/Sunnis story. The Iraqi government first said there was no police officer by that name, but recently said there is a police officer with that name but he uses a different name in his official capacity: As a police officer, he goes by Capt. Jamil Galaim (whose last name is Hussein, but he doesn't use it).
Curt with Flopping Aces has posted information that Capt. Galaim/Hussein denied being the AP's source. Curiouser and curiouser ...
Posted by DRJ at January 7, 2007 05:11 AM
By the way, I don't think Capt. Hussein has been arrested and I doubt he will be, given he can't even be identified with certainty.
The AP reported that the Iraqi government will arrest Capt. Hussein if the AP identifies him but that the government won't arrest him absent an identification, nor will they prosecute the AP for failing to cooperate in identifying Capt. Hussein. I doubt the AP will cooperate in identifying Capt. Hussein. Here's the link and a quote from the government's representative, Khalaf:
"Khalaf said Thursday that with the arrest of Hussein for breaking police regulations against talking to reporters, the AP would be called to identify him in a lineup as the source of its story. Should the AP decline to assist in the identification, Khalaf said, the case against Hussein would be dropped. He also said there were no plans to pursue action against the AP should it decline."
http://www.ap.org/response/response_112806a.html
Sorry if I'm repeating something that's already been posted here.
Posted by DRJ at January 7, 2007 05:21 AM
One last thing: The prior quote makes it sound like Capt. Hussein has already been arrested but the introductory paragraph to that same AP report specifically states that Capt. Hussein "faces arrest," implying that he has not been arrested:
"BAGHDAD, Iraq (AP) -- The Interior Ministry acknowledged Thursday that an Iraqi police officer whose existence had been denied by the Iraqis and the U.S. military is in fact an active member of the force, and said he now faces arrest for speaking to the media."
Posted by DRJ at January 7, 2007 05:25 AM
Even if Jamil exists, the question remains where is the evidence of the AP's 'burning mosque' story?
Posted by syn at January 8, 2007 12:26 AM
I'm not sure why this story seems to serve AP's or the fast and loose with facts crowd at all: If he exists, all the keyboard commandos are shown up as what... filthy propagandist liars? Uh, no, that would still be Jamil Hussein.
Score one for the Libs and mainstream media? I don't think so...
Posted by Dumb Ox at January 8, 2007 05:53 PM
With all due respect, I disagree with you. The questioning of Jamil Hussein's existense has helped to locate him. Maybe now he'll be questioned about his report, and believe me, he'll have some tough questions to answer. None of that would have happened if bloggers had not sought out Hussein. Besides - the ongoing criticizm of this story keeps it out in the open even longer and the longer this story goes on, the more the AP's report will be proven to be off the mark. Maybe some of it will be proven to be true, but a lot of it won't.
When bloggers saw how the stories were changing from day to day they rightly questioned the reliability of the report and the source. Someone needs to keep the mainstream press in check. The bloggers are doing it. The time when the media could slant the news without proving their stories, is up, thanks to bloggers. Now the media's got to be more careful about their reporting, which is good. The blogger's job is not to prove the media's is lying, but to show the inconsistencies in their stories and make them own up to their reporting. Kudos to the bloggers and hopefully they'll make the media own to every story they report. Jamil Huseein's report is just another blemish in the mainstream media's integrity, and it will be proven so in the coming weeks. The discovery of Jamil Hussein will prove to be beneficial to the blogging community, not harmful. Once again, there's nothing wrong with questioning the existence of a source if the story that source is giving has lots of holes in it and especially when this source (Hussein) has been in AP reports and no one elses and when this source knows too much about things that supposedly happened far far away from him.
Posted by JP at January 8, 2007 11:22 PM
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