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These elections were a direct repudiation of the military and their families, a big "f" you to them and all they have sacrificed by those who haven't lost any sleep or blood or money. This country is made of a bunch of "know nothings" who deserve their fate.
Posted by Army Mother at November 9, 2006 02:32 AM
This has nothing to do with your topic, but I've been looking around the blogworld for blogging soldiers and came across you and was wondering if you could tell a group of young people who want to send something to deployed soldiers for Christmas what you would like to receive from home?
And to Army Mother - I couldn't agree more, but please remember - there are plenty of us out here who appreciate your family's sacrifice 100%.
Posted by gina at November 9, 2006 04:35 AM
Army Mother: One of the bedrock principals of our Constitution is civilian control of the military. I am a second generation Navy veteran for over twenty years and don't feel as though my country has told me or my family to "f" off from this election. It might be surprising to know, but more has been accomplished in the past with the legislative, executive, and judiciary balanced between the two parties. We have to stop this fallacy thinking in terms of Either/Or. I am a citizen before I am a Sailor, and do not see my fellow citizens as "know nothings" be they democrat, republican or independent. However, you are always entitled to your opinion, thats why I and many others are out here.
Posted by A Quiet Noise at November 9, 2006 09:26 AM
Greyhawk, Army Mother, etc., I'm a lifelong Democrat, but still read your excellent site and have made contributions here and to the Soldiers Angels. Just because someone is a Democrat does not mean that they can't also support the troops, or want what is best for our country. I think if you stop sniping long enough to give the Democrats a chance, you'll both realize they want to do the right thing too. I have serious doubts if we're going to see endless hearings in Washington come January. And the turnover in Congress is not in any way a disrespecting of the military. I think we could all benefit from a little introspection, and self-questioning: have we started to treat politics like professional sports, and simply want "our" team to win, at any cost? Our system of government was designed to work with some internal tension, like the mainspring in a watch, with checks and balances. I honestly think (and hope) that two years from now you'll look back and see this election result as the beginning of a good thing.
Posted by Tony at November 9, 2006 07:06 PM
Dear Army Mother: One question the pollsters never ask is whether those people "opposed" to the war in Iraq are opposed to the way it's being fought on too politically correct terms and whether they wouldn't like to see it fought more aggressively! Another point to keep in mind is that the media will support WHATEVER the Dems do, and so there is an opportunity for some decisive action, so long as the Dems can take credit for it...
At least I'm hoping this will shift the coverage and tone in the media, such that the morale of the troops and national security might be treated like they actually matter to those utopian SOB's in the mainstream media.
Best wishes
Posted by Dumb Ox at November 9, 2006 07:20 PM
"Army Mother: One of the bedrock principals of our Constitution is civilian control of the military. I am a second generation Navy veteran for over twenty years and don't feel as though my country has told me or my family to "f" off from this election. It might be surprising to know, but more has been accomplished in the past with the legislative, executive, and judiciary balanced between the two parties. We have to stop this fallacy thinking in terms of Either/Or. I am a citizen before I am a Sailor, and do not see my fellow citizens as "know nothings" be they democrat, republican or independent. However, you are always entitled to your opinion, thats why I and many others are out here."
Posted by A Quiet Noise at November 9, 2006 09:26 AM
"Greyhawk, Army Mother, etc., I'm a lifelong Democrat, but still read your excellent site and have made contributions here and to the Soldiers Angels. Just because someone is a Democrat does not mean that they can't also support the troops, or want what is best for our country. I think if you stop sniping long enough to give the Democrats a chance, you'll both realize they want to do the right thing too. I have serious doubts if we're going to see endless hearings in Washington come January. And the turnover in Congress is not in any way a disrespecting of the military. I think we could all benefit from a little introspection, and self-questioning: have we started to treat politics like professional sports, and simply want "our" team to win, at any cost? Our system of government was designed to work with some internal tension, like the mainspring in a watch, with checks and balances. I honestly think (and hope) that two years from now you'll look back and see this election result as the beginning of a good thing."
Posted by Tony at November 9, 2006 07:06 PM
A Quiet Noise/Tony,
It is good that you have faith that the change in government will not mean our destruction. I am glad that there are Dhimmicrats or Rethuglicans such as you who would put country before politics.
However, Army Mother is well within her rights and sensibilities to opine that the new Congress will be a disaster for security, IF the Dhimmicrats follow through on what they campaigned on. IF we withdraw from Iraq, there will be nothing to stop Islam from terrorizing the Middle East as a whole, setting up training, funding, and political structures which will turn the entire Middle East into a Christian free/Jew free zone. There will be nothing to stop the coming of the Caliphate, which Dhimmicrats have specifically said is not a serious threat.
I was alive and breathing (and reading the news) in the 1970s and 1980s when the Democrats controlled Congress. I remember what their policies were like. I remember how difficult they made governing for President Nixon, President Reagan, and President Bush. They have chosen to ignore or overlook all the rhetoric coming out of the Middle East against us since the 1970s. A Dhimmicrat allowed radical Islam to take hold in the Middle East in Iran in 1979. Jimmy Carter undermined the Shah of Iran and handed that country to the Ayatollahs where it remains oppressed today. Tony, it is ironic that you wonder whether "we started to treat politics like professional sports, and simply want "our" team to win, at any cost?" For the Dhimmicrats said anything and everything they could to belittle the effort in Iraq and tear down Men who acted when the threats were present instead of ignoring the threats when they controlled both the White House and/or Congress (1979, 1982, 1993). Do not be fooled by reading today's news and believing that those of us who served can't remember far enough back to the 60s and 70s and how the parties stood and whom they supported then. Republicans have never supported our enemies. Dhimmicrats have made a career out of supporting the Soviet Union, Communism, Hugo Chavez, Fidel Castro, Muslim fanatics, and every anti-American word uttered from the mouths of Europe. Some of us have very long memories indeed.
Dhimmicrats in Congress can only be judged by what they say they hope to achieve: Withdrawal from Iraq; casting American friendly regimes in the Middle East adrift because of their oppression of their constituencies (as in Jordan, Egypt and Saudi Arabia); but allowing the American friendly regimes which are under attack from insurgents or terrorists (as in Israel and Iraq) to be overthrown because they "are on their own" and we refuse to provide any more help to them; repealing the portions of the Patriot Act which allow eavesdropping on terrorists and their money transfers in the US and abroad because of "their civil rights"; providing more legal protection for terrorist combatants held in GITMO than your next door neighbor gets when he goes to prison for wire fraud; allowing leaks of classified information to go unpunished and uninvestigated because they would rather achieve payback for Bill Clinton's impeachment by impeaching the current Rethuglican President because "He Lied" us into War, despite the over 500 chemical munitions found to date in Iraq, and the specific IAEA documents and Iraqi intelligence reports which showed they continued their WMD programs until the invasion, and planned and collaborated with al Qaeda and other terrorist groups to continue a culture of terrorism throughout the Middle East.
We can only judge the Dhimmicrats by what they have said at this point. And what they have said is mirrored, nay, in many cases it is quoted verbatim from, the al Qaeda talking points of the day. "Abu Ghraib was merely opened under new management." "The President is a greater threat to our life and liberty than the terrorists." "America deserved what we got on 9-11 because we supported Israel with munitions just like every other Arab country in the world is supported by Chinese Russian, and French made weaponry." "Unilateral disarmament of America and Israel is the order of the day, but unilateral defense of either is illegitimate."
We all want the Dhimmicrats to be strong, support the defense of this country, and govern wisely. But they have shown those of us here and in the service through their rhetoric that they don't understand the threat. They don't understand history. They belittle the actions of our soldiers through their constant retreat and defeat rhetoric. It is hard enough to get up and face the IEDs, snipers, ridiculous and false rumors of American hegemony constantly fed to Arabs daily, and still go out to fight the Evil men in Iraq and protect the innocent, without also having to hear daily in the American news that "our Men can't win". What Defeatist words! What a blow to morale to hear that your own government thinks you can't do the job! You are wasting your time! If that is not disloyal and unpatriotic, then those words have no definition.
This is 1936 or 1938 again, and history is repeating itself. In 2003 George W Bush made an attempt to halt the Coming Storm. The parallels to WWII are unmistakeable here. His attempt is failing because America has lost its will to engage the threat just as America, Britain and France did in 1938. The result was the greatest conflict the world had ever seen. The cost was over 100 million dead in a world of 2 billion people.
Perhaps history can be prevented from repeating itself. Perhaps Dhimmicrats will accept that there is a real threat to our existence and there is a need for aggressive, ruthless resistance to dhimmitude and the Islamic caliphate. When they exhibit this wisdom, through their actions and their words, then they will cease to be Dhimmicrats and become the Democrats of old.
Until then, we will judge them by their words, and watch them like hawks, circling in for the kill if they show the slightest sign of weakness in our defense. Because the lives to be saved include your own.
Subsunk
Posted by Subsunk at November 12, 2006 06:18 PM
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