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Since when is it okay for Israel to destroy Beirut?
Posted by WW at July 18, 2006 07:58 AM
Since Lebanon allowed Hezbollah to attempt to destroy Israel. If you can't keep your dog out of my hen house, then your dog is gonna end up dead. Don't come crying when your dog dies for something you wouldn't stop him from doing.
Subsunk
Posted by Subsunk at July 18, 2006 03:45 PM
I think the United States should loosen its ties with Israel and take a far more neutral stance in the Middle East. We are in Iraq at the beheast of Big Oil and of neocons with dual loyalties (at best). This is intolerable.
Posted by WW at July 18, 2006 04:59 PM
WhiskeyWhiskey;
Wtf is a Neocon?
How can we be neutral, in the Mideast, when the local inhabitants who follow a religion based in Mecca, want us dead, too?
Are you afraid of the Middle Easterners? Or just what they might think of us? They already want us dead..
By the way, folks in Europe thought Bill Clinton was quite the hawk.
Posted by dc at July 18, 2006 10:35 PM
"Neocon" is short for "neoconservative."
http://tinyurl.com/fasns
It doesn't really matter what someone thinks. I want the guy across the street who plays his stereo too loud dead, too. If I cause him to die, that's a problem. Iraq never initiated hostilities against the United States. We had no cause for this war.
If the Euros thought Clinton was a hawk, well, they get to think so. I dare say that ol' Billy was a hell of a lot more popular there than your Liar-in-Chief.
Posted by WW at July 18, 2006 10:45 PM
If hizballah is for an open war why are they hiding?
WW, if I were young enough, I would get out of the Corps and see about joining the IDF. They're right and Syria and Iran are wrong. In fact I don't know why we haven't gone up to Sulaimaniya and taken a hard right.
Posted by Mike H. at July 19, 2006 01:22 AM
Mike, it's too bad that you are loyal to a foreign country. Perhaps you should renounce your citizenship and leave.
Posted by WW at July 19, 2006 06:11 AM
Oh, and Mike, is this what you lust after?
http://tinyurl.com/mje68
Or is it this?
http://tinyurl.com/oj2m2
Posted by WW at July 19, 2006 06:39 AM
Why would the Lebanese Army go south to help the people that are bombing them back to the stone age? They won't! Israel is indiscriminately bombing Beirut, killing civilians, and destroying infrastructure. If anything, Hezbollah will get stronger from this. All Israel is succeeding in doing is creating a million more enemies.
Posted by PoliticalCritic at July 19, 2006 12:35 PM
PoliticalCritic, I agree with you. Beyond that, regardless of the rights and wrongs of Israel v Hezbollah, I don't see why the U.S. needs to be drawn into Israel's battles. We need to have neutral policy in the Mideast. If Israel wants to sow the wind, let them reap the whirlwind.
Posted by WW at July 19, 2006 08:47 PM
Some whirlwind. I think it is heading north, actually.
And without any help from those nefarious evildoers know as:
T H E N E O C O N S
Pardon me while I cheerlead for the Jooooos.
Subsunk
Posted by Subsunk at July 20, 2006 02:49 AM
Subsunk, there's one problem with your analogy... if the dog is Hezbollah, then you're killing the dog's owner (Beirut) as well as the dog, for the dog's crime.
Posted by malclave at July 20, 2006 03:31 AM
Israel is playing with fire.
Posted by WW at July 20, 2006 07:52 AM
"Subsunk, there's one problem with your analogy... if the dog is Hezbollah, then you're killing the dog's owner (Beirut) as well as the dog, for the dog's crime."
Posted by malclave at July 20, 2006 03:31 AM
"Israel is playing with fire."
Posted by WW at July 20, 2006 07:52 AM
malclave,
Actually, I would be blowing up the dog's house. South Beirut isn't all of Beirut. Just the selected parts of Lebanon that believe it is OK to kill Israelis with impunity. But Allah will have revenge if the hair or sensibilities of a single Muslim is harmed. Color me unimpressed. Lebanon claims 300 civilians have been killed. I'm positive some of them were civilians. But I'm also positive that most of them were related to Hezbollalaland's terrorist activities. You don't bombard South Lebanon for 9 days and only kill 5 Hezbollah terrorists. I could swing a dead cat in a circle and kill more of them there.
If Hezbollaha can't take the heat, they should have stayed out of the Israeli kitchen. If Israel is playing with fire, then I wonder how Hezbollala feels right now.
Crispy, I'd say.
Subsunk
Posted by Subsunk at July 20, 2006 12:38 PM
Everytime I see WW use the phrase "Liar-in-Chief", I am reminded of a nephew's tendency to call anyone who disagreed with him "poopy head".
Of course, he was only 3 years old at the time and eventually grew up and stopped using that phrase.
WW, I know that you think "Liar-in-Chief" is an incredibly clever thing to say because you use if ever chance that you get, but it is on par with "poopy head" and kills any credibility you are trying to claim that you have.
Unless, of course, you ARE three years old.
Posted by OhioVoter at July 20, 2006 01:42 PM
OV, if I could get you to spend that much time on it, I'd say my use of the accurate term "Liar-in-Chief" to describe your president (I don't consider him mine) had its intended effect. But if you insist, just this once I will call him Idiot-in-Chief. Happy now?
Posted by WW at July 20, 2006 04:17 PM
Subsunk, I don't disagree with your sentiment... just with the analogy.
WW, I for one am happy at your change. With a change of vocabulary, you have revealed that at some distant point in the future, you may be ready for potty training. You should be proud that you have demonstrated to the world that you are an Idiot... and not just this once.
Posted by malclave at July 21, 2006 03:14 AM
So we can also cross reading comprehension off WW's list of skills.
Posted by OhioVoter at July 21, 2006 10:55 AM
malclave,
Then I understand your point and agree that there are degrees of concern and degrees of retribution amongst the thoughts of a great many people. Thank you for pointing out the weakness or possible weakness in my logic. I value your input.
Subsunk
Posted by Subsunk at July 21, 2006 12:26 PM
'Liar-in-Chief' is name calling, but it is also a very true statement.
If you can sit there with a straight face and honestly tell me that George Bush doesn't lie over and over again, then you are a better man than me.
I didn't think any President could lie more than Bill Clinton, but GWB has proven me wrong.
Posted by PoliticalCritic at July 22, 2006 06:41 PM
How to Lose A War, Part I
http://w3t.org/u/vnz
Excerpt:
The very setup of the U.S. presence in Iraq undercut the mission. The chain of command was hazy, with no one individual in charge of the overall American effort in Iraq, a structure that led to frequent clashes between military and civilian officials.
On May 16, 2003, L. Paul Bremer III, the chief of the Coalition Provisional Authority, the U.S.-run occupation agency, had issued his first order, "De-Baathification of Iraq Society." The CIA station chief in Baghdad had argued vehemently against the radical move, contending that, "By nightfall, you'll have driven 30,000 to 50,000 Baathists underground. And in six months, you'll really regret this." ...
Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld at first was dismissive of the looting that followed the U.S. arrival, and then for months refused to recognize that an insurgency was breaking out there. A reporter pressed him one day that summer: Aren't you facing a guerrilla war?
"I guess the reason I don't use the phrase 'guerrilla war' is because there isn't one," Rumsfeld responded.
A few weeks later, Army Gen. John P. Abizaid succeeded Gen. Tommy R. Franks as the top U.S. military commander in the Middle East. He used his first news conference as commander to clear up the strategic confusion about what was happening in Iraq. Opponents of the U.S. presence were conducting "a classical guerrilla-style campaign," he said. "It's a war, however you describe it."
Oops!
Posted by WW at July 22, 2006 08:35 PM
'Liar-in-Chief' is name calling, but it is also a very true statement.
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And doesn't it say something about an individual's ability (lack thereof) to effectively argue a point if - in virtually every post and sometimes multiple times in the same post - s/he has to resort to name calling?
The veracity of various politicians is certainly a reasonable topic of discussion. I personally have little faith in the veracity of any politician - although I think Clinton probably exceeded Bush simply because Clinton believed his own lies to be truth - but I don't need to argue that issue in EVERY subject discussed.
If I could do no better than name calling and mindless repetition of ancient articles, I wouldn't expect to be taken seriously either.
The worst part of it is that it kills the overall credibility of dissent. I can read the articles posted (and usually have long ago). It serves no purpose to see them repeated again and again and again.
What I would like to see is ORIGINAL commentary from those with an opposing view and a recognition that even a broken clock is right twice a day. Someone who cannot see that others are not ALL bad ALL the time is not looking at the issue objectively - s/he's simply spitting back what they think that they have been told to say.
Posted by OhioVoter at July 22, 2006 11:38 PM
Let's face it, Ohio Voter, you're a knee-jerk bushbot. In my case, I started out as a supporter of the Iraq War. I changed my mind after the revelations about the lack of WMD and the policy of torturing enemy combatants and civilians. The wingnut fringe has never changed its collective mind about a single thing.
Posted by WW at July 23, 2006 06:15 AM
Now THAT'S what I'm talking about, PoliticalCritic.
Instead of an ORIGINAL thought, we get ...
Name Calling? Check
ALL people wrong ALL of the time? Check
Add a ancient news article and it would have been the perfect example of my point.
Posted by OhioVoter at July 23, 2006 01:58 PM
Ohio Voter, I don't think it's unoriginal to call you a robot.
Posted by WW at July 23, 2006 05:05 PM
p.s.: Hey robot, is this too "ancient" for you?
http://tinyurl.com/nb5j
Posted by WW at July 23, 2006 05:08 PM
Robots are machines trained to do the same thing over and over and over again.
Anyone else here note someone doing the same thing over and over again?
How about it Willy? Do you ever do anything but criticize that for which you have no fix? Do you ever place a comment without listing or implying Bush is a liar and the cause as lost? Do you ever admit that our enemies don't care whether we are in Iraq or not, they intend to find a way to strike at America, and will come all the way to America to do so? That there is nothing, nothing, nothing we can do to stop them except submit to Islam, cover our women because these fools can't control their own sexual urges and blame women for looking too good to resist, and allow their imams to dictate what we can and cannot do with our own families, money, and property?
You don't think this war has helped limit the spread of Islamic fascism one bit. You don't think Islamic hatred has you, specifically, in its crosshairs. You think the war has strengthened the width and depth of hatred which already existed in the Islamic world despite our charity, our previous neutrality, and the fact that the one and only foreign policy Islamists continually object to is our support for Israel and the need to keep 6 million Israelis from being exterminated (again) by radical idiots who think they are Hitler's children.
You know, we get all that. We get what you think. We just aren't going to agree with you that cowardice and weakness in the face of the enemy and that rolling over and dying to suit them is the action that should be taken. They keep sending warnings about how bad we are and how they will conquer us. Those who disagree with you aren't going to let your surrender influence how we oppose them.
We are going to fight them, every way, every time. And if you get in the way of it, we will fight you too. Because you insist on tying the hands of our military in our defense, we are going to view you as disloyal, dishonest, and demented. And we are going to say so, every time you do it. We are going to teach our children that you are just as bad as our enemies because you support them. Because, as long as you oppose our right to Life, and support their right to exterminate us and other innocents, then you, you specifically, are part of the problem. I question your patriotism. I question your sanity. And I question your intelligence.
But I'd never call you a liar because you oppose the war. Stupid, yes. Liar, no.
I don't care what names you use to denigrate us. We oppose you. We think you are stupid, misguided, and even evil. Say what you want. Every time you open your mouth you confirm that there is nothing more important to you than seeing Dhimmicrats win elections in our country so that you can implement what strategy to defend us? Retreat from Islamic aggression. Defeat on the field of battle. Surrender to evil tyrannical men who love the Death of infidels more than the Life of their own children and prosperity for their own families. Power for your side over your fellow Americans without thought or reason what you would do with that power, except to ensure that Rethuglicans and George W Bush are crushed forever and his name is obliterated from history because you hate what he and they do so much.
You are demented and crazed beyond reason at the course pursued in our defense and you will do everything and anything in your power to see advances against terrorists dismantled because they were accomplished by a Rethuglican.
That makes you an enemy sympathizer. That makes you part of the problem. That makes you a Defender of Evil.
Pontificate on where they agree with you, boy. We don't listen to you. We won't change. We won't quit. We won't surrender. And we won't bend over and take it from Islamic crazies and their sympathizers here.
Subsunk
Posted by Subsunk at July 24, 2006 12:40 PM
"Let's face it, Ohio Voter, you're a knee-jerk bushbot. In my case, I started out as a supporter of the Iraq War. I changed my mind after the revelations about the lack of WMD and the policy of torturing enemy combatants and civilians. The wingnut fringe has never changed its collective mind about a single thing."
Posted by WW at July 23, 2006 06:15 AM
And discovery of over 500 WMD shells in Iraq has never changed Willy's mind. So who has never changed its [his] collective mind about a single thing? Bush has always been bad, and Rethuglicans (who are their American brethren and neighbors) are engaged in a Constitutional power grab unprecendented in history.
We used to think Dhimmicrats were patriots. Now we see they are just political opportunists who have their own best interests placed firmly above the safety and security of the American people. And they will do anything and everything to gain that power.
Just like the petty despots of history, Dhimmicrats will promise anything to get the power they need to do whatever they want. They will stack the courts with their appointees to take away our rights to our own property, they will force their views and values on those of us who don't wish to be told how we must worship, feel, and think in our own homes. And they will take over the press and schools of our country to make sure their brand of ideology and history is preached to our children, just like the Communists did when they indoctrinated kids to spy on their parents and turn them in for disloyal thoughts, and doubts about what their government was doing and where it was headed.
The only difference so far, is that Dhimmicrats don't have the police powers to arrest Rethuglicans in our homes for not giving enough to the State, for thinking that those who support our enemies are dishonest and disloyal to America, and for failure to support their power grabs. They paint us as evil, greedy, oppressive, vote stealing thugs who only want to enslave them, but who can point to no specific instance (not a single one) where their civil liberties were violated, or any harm whatsoever befell them because of some imagined abridgement of their rights.
Watch what they do when elected. Listen to what they say they intend to do once elected. They insist on prosecution of Bush for war crimes. They insist on investigation of any Republican in elected office who supported Bush, to advance their own unique and absolute brand of power over us. They insist on forcing their agenda, whatever it is, on Americans who disagree with it by calling us fascist, thugs, liars, cheats, and fags (I like it when the supposed party of the big tent calls us the very names they claim are the specific language Rethuglicans use to discriminate against gays -- nice touch guys, your mask is slipping)
I pray that Dhimmicrats will go the route of those despots before long. Into history's trash heap. To be replaced by Democrats who believe in the safety of Americans and America first over their own party politics. Those are Democrats we Rethuglicans and Bushbots could support.
Subsunk
Head nutscratching Bushbot, and drunk Rethuglican Supporter-in-Chief, Gay Rethuglican Cowboy, single digit IQ nefarious consumer of military history, who drives around in the dark without windows in his submarine, picking up loose and lascivious mermaids for sport, and laughing at Dhimmicrats who think they are better, smarter, prettier, than the rest of us. Because, its all about the power, doncha' know?
Posted by Subsunk at July 24, 2006 01:08 PM
Sorry, subby, but:
1. Bush IS a liar.
2. The cause IS lost. It was lost the day the U.S. decided to torture people. Torture is for losers.
3. You and the rest of the so-called milbloggers DO hate every single thing this country has ever stood for.
4. You WILL blame the defeat on someone else.
All of which means ...
5. You ARE robots.
Posted by WW at July 24, 2006 09:47 PM
and by the way ...
Israel Invasion of Lebanon: A Disaster for Israel
This move is going to wind up strengthening Hezbollah. Maybe Israel shouldn't have spent the last five years trying to block a peace settlement at every turn. Do they really think we can, or will, rescue them now?
http://tinyurl.com/zsv26
Excerpt:
Some of DEBKAfile’s military experts fear the Israeli government may be falling into the Bush administration’s disastrous error of allocating too few troops to the Iraq war for attaining its goals. ...
Nasrallah has already struck the pose of victor and is dictating terms. Monday, July 24, he handed the Lebanese government a list of the prisoners in Israeli jails whom he wants released as the price for returning the kidnapped Israeli soldiers, Ehud Goldwasser and Eldad Regev. He has not budged an inch from his initial demand for their release: indirect negotiations for a prisoner swap.
The Israeli prime minister, who has switched his war objectives several times, is heading for a course that may at best restore the three abducted Israeli solders, Gilead Shalit in Hamas’ hands, as well as Goldwasser and Regev. But this course will not rescue northern Israel and a third of the country from the nightmare of rockets falling night and day and destroying their lives or the Palestinian Qassam missiles from Gaza making life intolerable for Israel’s south.
Good God, can you believe that Israel actually did something this stupid? Bush, that I can believe. The man is little more than a drunken, exposed nerve ending. But the Israelis? Holy cow.
Posted by WW at July 24, 2006 09:58 PM
And if you actually needed evidence, check this out. Lebanon has rejected Condoleeeeeeeeeezzzzzzzzzzzaaaaaah's "cease-fire." And Israel is showing every sign of wanting one. Okey-dokey.
http://tinyurl.com/nosvb
Posted by WW at July 24, 2006 10:01 PM
WW, I can't respond to your comments because - well - while I speak passable "Spanish", can read "Portuguese" and some "Italian", and recognize words in "French" and even "Klingon", I don't read "Incoherent" - which is the language of your posts.
I'm finding it very amusing your use of the word "tiny" in the URL you post repeatedly, however.
I suspect that the use of that word is highly significant in your case.
Posted by OhioVoter at July 24, 2006 10:35 PM
Ohio Voter, I'm sorry you can't read. You realize, of course, that this is one more bit of evidence that you're a raving bushbot. Your Liar-in-Chief can't read, either. So who reads the Internet to you? Your mom?
Posted by WW at July 24, 2006 11:28 PM
Missed the point again I see ....
My mother is dead. Thanks for your concern.
Posted by OhioVoter at July 25, 2006 12:09 AM
Ain't my fault that ma kicked the bucket. So who reads the postings to you, since you can't?
Posted by WW at July 25, 2006 02:41 AM
Time for an update on what you've posted:
Name-calling? Check (and getting progressively more immature)
Every one who you think disagrees with you (whether they actually do or not) is ALWAYS wrong ALL the time? Check
Racist and sexist? You pretended to call a female African-American PhD. as if she were a pig - Check and Check
Inabilitly to read and comprehend what is written to you? Check, check, check, etc. etc.
As I said originally (and a long, long time ago), I will gladly engage anyone with an original thought or idea in discussion regardless if we are in agreement or not.
I'm still waiting on you to do that, WW.
So far, all you have provided is some evidence that you can GOOGLE individual words and know how to cut and paste the result.
Try reading the articles you find once in awhile.
Now, I have a bet on which insult is coming from you next. I'm sure that you won't disappoint me.
Posted by OhioVoter at July 25, 2006 10:24 AM
Calling Condoleeeeeeeeeezzzzzzzzzzzzzzaaah as if she's a pig had not occurred to me. But it's not a bad idea given that she's been the spokesman for war. Pig? Yeah, it fits.
Posted by WW at July 25, 2006 05:12 PM
Israel Invasion of Lebanon: A Disaster for Israel
"This move is going to wind up strengthening Hezbollah. Maybe Israel shouldn't have spent the last five years trying to block a peace settlement at every turn. Do they really think we can, or will, rescue them now?"
Posted by WW at July 24, 2006 09:58 PM
Again Willy, if what is happening now to Hezbollah is certain defeat for Israel and a tactical victory for Hezbollalaland, then Hez better start losing pretty quickly. Because winning is just killing them.
Subsunk
OhioVoter,
He's demented. We only play with him like we play with worms that wriggle out of the ground. He's only good for squirming around and being trampled underfoot, until we put him on the hook to catch supper.
Willy is lower than the lowest whale turd at the bottom of the ocean. Having communed with the whales, I know that even they are surprised that his excrement found the light of day. But it still stinks and no one wants it.
Have a nice day.
Subsunk
Posted by Subsunk at July 25, 2006 06:51 PM
Subby, you'd better lay off the vodka. You're slurring your words again.
Posted by WW at July 25, 2006 10:28 PM
OhioVoter,
He's demented. We only play with him like we play with worms that wriggle out of the ground. He's only good for squirming around and being trampled underfoot, until we put him on the hook to catch supper.
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Yeah, I caught on a long time ago that WW wasn't capable of more than robotically repeating the opinions of others.
But it was also apparent that he would be easy to manipulate - and he's certainly proven that true.
Posted by OhioVoter at July 26, 2006 12:08 AM
Ohiovoter:
Touche! LOL
Posted by Beth* A. at July 26, 2006 03:31 AM
FU&WW god what a pair, "Snak Eyes" Question
do eather of you have a life,if so it ain't
much of one and FU Just when did you return
from south lebanon or do you have eyes on the
ground for your information??? by the way I
do belive Che is still dead and if you are
interested I can get you a T-Shirt with his
photo on it,but unlike the rest it has a
large hole between the eyes and a small trickle
of blood running down his face,care for one??
come to think of it you and dub dub are a good
reason to bring back wire coat hangers!!
Posted by Tincan Sailor at July 27, 2006 02:13 AM
"subsunk-
hezbollah is a geurilla group. study the history of past groups led by che guevara and you will understand that it is not only possible but almost definite that hezbollah members are hidden and NOT among the civilians bombed in south lebanon. It is not an ezaggeration that the nearly 500 people killed were almost all civilians. just accept that truth without trying to deny it to yourself in your subconcious disbelief that your dear israel and United states would actually intentionally kill innocent civilians. honey wake up, they would. and sorry but ran would do it to US civilians in a second if provoked..and you might be next. so put down that can of budweiser and preserve the last 2 braincells you may have left."
Posted by fuckyou at July 26, 2006 09:58 PM
Riiigggghhhhtttt. Thanks for the deep thinking history lesson. And I'm the one drinking?
Hezbollah is a guerilla group and thus immune to bombing, shooting, and is invisible to boot. They're invincible! The Israelis might as well give up right now. They are doomed, I say, doomed.
Regarding the impending Israeli defeat I quote Sir Winston Churchill: Some chicken, some neck.
Of course the claimed 300 (not 500) civilians killed in Lebanon were all total innocents and not one single one was a Hezbollalaland groupie. This is all according to --- Hezbollah! and the Lebanese Prime Minister, who never met a Hez he couldn't shake hands with and embrace. Of course they were found in Hezbollalaland's section of South Lebanon and Beirut. But we'll have to take Hezbollah's word that they were innocent.
Sorry, I don't believe news opinions which comes from only one side or one source (that includes Fox). I'll take the facts, please and make my own observations.
Fact: "the news" says 300 people were killed in Israeli's bombing runs. "The news" says all of them were women and children and old men. Statistically this is impossible unless all the military age men beamed out of Beirut to the planet Hezbollala.
Fact: Hezbollah fired first, killing 8 Israelis, wounding 3, and kidnapping 2 soldiers INSIDE Israel. My observation: only the brain dead would act surprised when they get bombed after committing such an act.
Fact: Hezbollah acknowledges and brags that they are firing rockets at Israeli cities and intend to strike fear into the hearts of Israelis with these actions. Israel says over 1400 rockets have landed in Israel to date killing something like 15-20 civilians and wounding over a hundred or so. That matches with claims to rain fire on Israel and increase the attacks by Hassan Nasrallah. My observation: Hezbollah is a bunch of cowardly terrorists who try to kill civilians without regard to bad press reports. They think this is absolutely justified because their religion says it is OK to kill infidels. Israel takes great pains, just like the US, has a specific process to make sure they are not firing indiscriminately into civilians, although they recognize that civilians are nearby and may get hurt, and tries not to hit innocents. That makes them the good guys. The press castigates them for killing innocent people by accident who are living amongst and supporting Hezbollah, but the press refuses to say the same thing about Hezbollah. That makes the Israeli's saints with the patience of Job.
Drink all the Hezbollah flavored KoolAid you like, whatever your name is. Don't come running when the next terrorist wants to remove your head from your neck. Just call for a newspaperman to save you. You obviously think they know more than I do anyway. Maybe he'll take a photo and make sure he spells your name correctly. For the obituaries.
As for Iran, glad to see you agree they are a problem. What's it take to keep from provoking them? Must I bend over the table and pull my pants down? Once again, "the news" says their Prime Minister Imanutjob threatens me and my country with physical bodily harm if I so much as sneeze around him. So how does one keep from "provoking" an Iranian nutcase? Stop breathing, perhaps?
My solution to Imanutjob calls for massive amounts of bombing them and shooting up their armed forces, again and again until they are all dead, if necessary. My country's current course of action is to talk the head case to death while he supplies weapons and equipment to Hezbollalaland. Your solution calls for --- what?
Feel free to expound, explain, and extract your head from your rectum with an explanation.
Subsunk
Posted by Subsunk at July 27, 2006 01:23 PM
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