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When the CentCom server recovers, the charts ought to be available for download. They usually are.
As I told one of the guys, it looks like a good excuse to upgrade your server.
Posted by Chuck Simmins at June 8, 2006 05:46 PM
The anti-war "Mainstream Media" are devastated this morning, as this successful mission flies in the face of everything they've been telling us.
They've falsely reported that there is NO connection between Iraq and Al Qaeda, so how can they tell you that the head of Al Qaeda in Iraq has been killed?
They tell you that U.S. Troops are failing, that they are in a quagmire, that they are reduced to animalistic acts of torture and mayhem. But today's mission was the result of months of hard work and planning by our brave troops.
Posted by CHRIS DICKSON at June 8, 2006 05:58 PM
17 other sites rolled up after they confirmed his death.
Stakeout sites that they were watching.
How many pers and how much intel on the remaining targets did they get?
A very good nights work.
Posted by dj elliott at June 8, 2006 06:12 PM
http://www.mnf-iraq.com/
Go to Weekly Press Briefing for slides, transcript, video and air strike video.
Posted by dj elliott at June 8, 2006 06:15 PM
Gosh, Greyhawk, a little obsessed with "the money shot," are we?
Posted by WW at June 8, 2006 08:44 PM
gringoVision salutes the American warriors who did their job and did it superbly. It will also have a good word for President Bush in this operation—-after the Americans who served in Iraq and who are now shackled in solitary confinement in the brig at Camp Pendleton, CA are unshackled and get at least as many privileges as do the jihad detainees at Guantanomo.
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“Haditha Crucifixion.” Illustrated.
Posted by gringoman at June 8, 2006 08:56 PM
Poll: U.S. Disapproves of War in Iraq
WASHINGTON (AP) -- The death of al-Qaida leader Abu Musab al-Zarqawi in Iraq came as more Americans than ever thought the war in Iraq was a mistake, according to AP-Ipsos polling.
The poll, taken Monday through Wednesday before news broke that U.S. forces had killed al-Zarqawi, found that 59 percent of adults say the United States made a mistake in going to war in Iraq - the highest level yet in AP-Ipsos polling.
Approval of President Bush's handling of Iraq dipped to 33 percent, a new low. His overall job approval was 35 percent, statistically within range of his low of 33 percent last month. The poll of 1,003 adults has a sampling error margin of plus or minus 3 percentage points.
Among other findings:
-More than half, 54 percent, said it's unlikely that a stable, democratic government will be established in Iraq, a new high in AP-Ipsos polling. The survey was completed before Iraq's parliament approved three key new government ministers. Just 67 percent of Republicans, 63 percent of conservatives, and 57 percent of white evangelicals believed a stable, democratic government is likely.
-Only 68 percent of Republicans, 57 percent of white evangelicals and 51 percent of self-described conservatives - key groups in Bush's base of support - approved of his handling of Iraq. Those most likely to disapprove are Democrats (89 percent), women (70 percent), minorities (84 percent), city dwellers (72 percent), those with household incomes under $25,000 (71 percent), and unmarried men (70 percent).
-Those most likely to believe the war in Iraq was a mistake are Democrats (84 percent), women (63 percent), especially suburban women (67 percent), minorities (76 percent), city dwellers (66 percent), self-described liberals (82 percent), moderates (64 percent), and Catholics (62 percent).
Posted by WW at June 8, 2006 11:06 PM
Good to see you cheering for your team, Willy. Because 95% of all Americans think you are an idiot.
Subsunk
Posted by Subsunk at June 8, 2006 11:16 PM
Guys,
Regarding Allah's remix, which I DO love, I think the pictures everyone is using of the destroyed house are not the correct ones. I think that is a file photo of some other destroyed house the news folks just threw onto their reports because there are no palms around it like the video shows.
I also saw some footage of the real debris on Fox tonight and the place is covered with palms nearby. So as much as I love Allah's video, we should stipulate that it really isn't the house Zman was in when he was killed.
But I love the video for its "artistic" value nonetheless.
Subsunk
Posted by Subsunk at June 9, 2006 01:57 AM
Gee subby where are the anguished cries of the sort that emanated from the so-called milblogs when the Times of London printed the wrong pic of dead bodies in Haditha? Awfully forgiving, aren't you? Different standards for your friends, it would seem?
Posted by WW at June 9, 2006 02:54 AM
WW, if you can show how video of the wrong house materially alters the substance of the "remix", I'll back you in your claims of "different standards".
Otherwise, I'll have to just assume your mommy is washing your blankie and you're upset about it.
Posted by malclave at June 9, 2006 03:04 AM
Yes! Thank you. WW is *exactly* like that cartoon hellion baby, Stewie. Using unctuous language and 4 syllable words in an effort to be cutting and relevant, and then having to stop and request that someone change his diaper.
Good. Thank you for helping me put my finger on that nagging sense of familiarity.
Posted by NahnCee at June 9, 2006 03:15 AM
Where I come from we call that 100/100.
100% of rounds hit, target 100% destroyed.
Some badass BDA, baby.
And there was much rejoicing...
Posted by Steve at June 9, 2006 03:33 AM
I'm in need of a favor, WW.
I spent the last couple of days out and about the local neghborhood near Balad, had some very good discussions with the locals.
The poor souls seem to think we're winning.
Perhaps you could drop by and enlighten them.
Posted by SFC D at June 9, 2006 03:44 AM
"Gee subby where are the anguished cries of the sort that emanated from the so-called milblogs when the Times of London printed the wrong pic of dead bodies in Haditha? Awfully forgiving, aren't you? Different standards for your friends, it would seem?"
Posted by WW at June 9, 2006 02:54 AM
Yup. As a matter of fact, Willy, I do have different standards for my friends. But you'll never know what they are, now, will you?
Subsunk
Posted by Subsunk at June 9, 2006 03:44 AM
As a matter of fact, Willy, I do have different standards for my friends.
Always nice to get a wingnut to admit that he doesn't actually have any principles, but rather believes in situational ethics. Thanks, subby. On the other hand, you could always get up tomorrow morning and say something like, Man, was I drunk! I have no idea what I did last night! I understand this happens pretty often in the Navy. ;-)
Posted by WW at June 9, 2006 04:38 AM
"Always nice to get a wingnut to admit that he doesn't actually have any principles, but rather believes in situational ethics. Thanks, subby. On the other hand, you could always get up tomorrow morning and say something like, Man, was I drunk! I have no idea what I did last night! I understand this happens pretty often in the Navy. ;-)"
As I said, you'll never know, will you?
Subsunk
Posted by Subsunk at June 9, 2006 04:51 AM
Check this out. It might be that Zarqawi was handed over to the U.S. by others in his organization. If true, that would put something of a different spin on it, no? It may well have been nothing more than a means of saving the time and trouble of doing it themselves.
Think of it as the equivalent of the mafia farming out its hits to the FBI. The mafia needs the work done, the FBI needs the credit. Everybody's happy.
http://w3t.org/u/r6z
Zarqawi was not a global mastermind like al-Qaeda leader Bin Laden, says the BBC's security correspondent, Frank Gardner.
Instead he was a bloodthirsty and violent thug, our correspondent says - who made enemies and several mistakes that might have contributed to his downfall.
These included ordering a triple suicide bombing against hotels in Amman, Jordan, last November, that killed 60 people, our correspondent says.
Posted by WW at June 9, 2006 05:06 AM
I spent the last couple of days out and about the local neghborhood near Balad, had some very good discussions with the locals.
The poor souls seem to think we're winning.
Perhaps you could drop by and enlighten them.
I am given to understand that Arab culture is similar to that of Japan and the American South, in that the art of telling people what they want to hear is taught from a very early age.
Posted by WW at June 9, 2006 05:16 AM
I assumed that the pictures of blown up stuff in the remix were pictures of things blown up by Zarquawi or his people, a litany of crimes for which the big Ka-BOOM was a fitting end.
It never once occured to me to think that the house was supposed to be the one he was in.
Posted by Julie (Synova) at June 9, 2006 06:17 AM
Zarqawi may have been shafted by one of his own?
That's amazing Willy, a mere 12 hours after we've posted about 12 entries discussing a topic at MilBlogs you put a comment here "breaking" the news.
Posted by Greyhawk at June 9, 2006 06:28 AM
It never once occured to me to think that the house was supposed to be the one he was in.
Why of course not, Julie. Why should anyone imagine that something called Zarqawi Airstrike Video should be a video of the airstrike on the guy's house? Kudos to you for assuming that anything you see on the so-called "milblogs" is nothing but mislabeled propaganda. I've always thought that myself, but it's nice to hear it from an airhead like you.
Posted by WW at June 9, 2006 07:00 AM
A good point Julie. It was lost on Willy, but then again, what isn't?
Posted by Greyhawk at June 9, 2006 09:30 AM
By the way, when someone reveals a complete inability to understand what you've said, then calls you an airhead, it's best to not bother responding, for what should be obvious reasons.
Posted by Greyhawk at June 9, 2006 09:33 AM
Synova?
An airhead???
LOLOLOLOLOL! Good Heavens to Mergatroyd, you just can't pay people to write more idiotic stuff than that!
"A good point Julie. It was lost on Willy, but then again, what isn't?"
- Direct hit, Greyhawk, Sir!
"when someone reveals a complete inability to understand what you've said,..... it's best to not bother responding, for what should be obvious reasons."
-You've got the right of it, Greyhawk; In the future I'll practice your better judgement in these matters; but...it may take a great deal of practice.
Posted by Beth* A. at June 9, 2006 09:58 AM
On a related note, here's a revealing exchange between Willy and another commenter on a previous thread.
In an attempt to be helpful, "Trevor" says to Willy (aka WW)
Your sneering tone makes it harder for people to listen to you. That's a hint from a lesson I still haven't fully learned.
It's always better to present your case as graciously as possible. If you asked your questions differently, you might get more thoughtful responses.
To which Willy responds:
I don't think so, Trevor. The so-called Milblogosphere exists almost exclusively as a megaphone for the far right wing of the Republican Party...
You see, it's not about the lives or about competence or even about U.S. victory. For you and your kind, it's entirely about the partisan identification of the commander-in-chief. If it's a Republican, you're willing to fight to the last drop of someone else's blood to cover up his incomptence.
Of course,
Trevor is an American soldier currently serving in Iraq. But that's the danger you run pretending this or any other milblog is a political site, and insulting commenters here accordingly. The Party talking points you cut and paste into a response wind up making you look very foolish (at best).
Posted by Greyhawk at June 9, 2006 10:15 AM
I don't know that anyone is paying attention to WW. He doesn't debate... he talks over/past everyone else.
He's a spittle-flecked little guy with the megaphone, yelling at nobody in particular... you can hear him, but engaging him is pointless. Regardless of how effectively he's challenged, he just keeps repeating his spiel.
Posted by TheNewGuy at June 9, 2006 10:38 AM
My you have an unusually stupid troll Greyhawk.
Shorter WW:
grumph gurgle, snigphat, belch, BUSH BUSH BUSH, gurgle, belch
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Good post, thanks for the video links, and congrats and THANK YOU to all involved on a well executed operation.
Given time it always ends the same way for these guys and that is deeply satisfying.
Posted by Dwilkers at June 9, 2006 12:07 PM
This is another illuminating exchange that I had with "WW" on another thread which was all I needed to convince me that there is no point responding to him as he is not here to debate, but rather just to annoy:
Posted by WW at June 7, 2006 03:09 AM:
"Sometimes that's ("hitting them over the head with a bat") what is required. The so-called "milblogosphere" is a mirror image of the far-left wing. Not a hint of visible light. Sometimes the police and the marines have to crack skulls, and sometimes I have to do it too."
Posted by Michael in MI at June 7, 2006 03:30 AM:
In other words, your purpose to posting here is not to be respectful and try to open us up to your point of view, it is simply to insult us and anger us and crack our skulls. Which only angers us more and shuts us off completely to what you say. What purpose does that serve WW? Do you wish to open people's eyes to another point of view or simply piss people off with your rhetoric, thereby ensuring people will not give your point of view any credence. The former are the efforts of patriotic dissent/debate. The latter are the tactics of a troll (not trying to debate, just trying to stir up trouble and piss people off... "crack skulls").
Posted by WW at June 7, 2006 03:51 AM:
My purpose is to say what the hell I want to say. You whackjobs need to be told the truth. You're too stupid and/or stubbon to ever admit it here, but at some point the residual three points of your I.Q. that aren't occupied by breathing, defecating and popping open another beer may well notice. If not, then at least I had fun telling you exactly what I think of you. And I know it's had impact, or you wouldn't bother to answer me.
In other words, "WW" is not here to have intellectual debate, he simply enjoys insulting everyone and all the attention he receives from people responding to his insults. Put simply, by the definition I gave above, he is a troll.
Posted by MICHAEL in MI at June 9, 2006 04:24 PM
Michael, the so-called milblogosphere, which is actually nothing more than a propaganda tool for the far-right wing, is chock full of personal attacks on anyone who disagrees with the crackbrained view it advances.
You are typical of Greyhawk and his amen chorus: Ever ready to dish it out, but unable to take it. That spirit, writ large, is what we're seeing in Iraq. The U.S. defeat has all kinds of causes, but one of them surely is the inability to take criticism, admit error and make corrections.
Along those lines, my apologies to Trevor. I didn't know he is in Iraq. It's obviously incorrect of me to accuse him of being willing only to put others in harm's way, as is the case for most of the so-called milbloggers who post from the comfort of their houses in the United States.
That said, the near-exclusive focus of the so-called milblogs on wingnut politics is obvious to anyone who browses it. Look at Greyhawk's commentary on Zarqawi, for example. He just couldn't resist making it a statement on the defeatist left wing.
Look, Greyhawk, even your Liar-in-Chief isn't daring to claim that this is anything more than a symbol. Hell, I think it's a distraction, and close to a meaningless one at that. Soon enough, they'll gin up another Emanuel Goldstein figure for everyone to hate.
Posted by WW at June 9, 2006 05:18 PM
Well, the media, leftists, liberals and Democrats have officially lost their minds. Now, their conspiracy theory to try to spin the Zarqawi killing is that President Bush deliberately failed to kill Zarqawi when we knew where he was in Iraq in 2002, thereby allowing Zarqawi to justify Bush going into Iraq. Hmmm, that's interesting. From 2003 until now, Liberals, Leftists, Democrats and the media have been telling us that al Qaeda was not in Iraq until after we went in, in 2003. Now all of a sudden, they reveal (in the New York Times no less!) they too knew that Zarqawi was in Iraq, part of al Qaeda's Ansar al-Islam terrorist group, in 2002, before our 2003 invasion.
So the LLLs, media and Democrats have just spun themselves into being completely discredited and proven the link between Saddam's Iraq and al Qaeda prior to 2003.
Not as though any of us who have been paying attention to facts for the past 5 years needed to be told this, but it must be a really sad day in liberal fantasyland today as they realize their current conspiracy theory (Bush deliberately failed to kill Zarqawi in Iraq in 2002) completely discredits their previous lie (al Qaeda was not in Iraq prior to March 2003).
The sounds you may hear today are of liberal heads exploding all over the country as their worlds come crashing down upon them.
Posted by Michael in MI at June 9, 2006 05:38 PM
This is for Subsunk and all the others who hold different standards for terroists than they do for US soldiers.
It has to do with honor, something that is quite archaic yet not obsolete.
Honorable people treat other people of honor one way, and treat people who are dishonorable, another way.
Thus, while I would cut Z-Man in little itty bitty pieces and feed them piecemeal to the hogs and pigs as part of their slush, I would not do so to an enemy that behaved in a manner befitting an honorable combatant in war time. Honorable enemies deserve respect, and if you have to kill them, you do it with the least amount of pain as possible.
There is no shame in treating people the way terroists treat those weaker than they are.
WW demands respect and honor for himself and the media... but guess what? All he'll get is some pieces left over after the pigs are finished.
Posted by Ymarsakar at June 9, 2006 10:58 PM
I would not do so to an enemy that behaved in a manner befitting an honorable combatant in war time. Honorable enemies deserve respect, and if you have to kill them, you do it with the least amount of pain as possible.
There is no shame in treating people the way terroists treat those weaker than they are.
I can see that the terrorists have won. They have turned the U.S. into their mirror image. We torture enemy combatants and civilians grabbed randomly off streets, and we commit massacres and then cover them up. Congrats, Zarqawi. You achieved more than you thought you would.
Posted by WW at June 9, 2006 11:27 PM
Oops, wrong coding. Corrected version:
I would not do so to an enemy that behaved in a manner befitting an honorable combatant in war time. Honorable enemies deserve respect, and if you have to kill them, you do it with the least amount of pain as possible.
There is no shame in treating people the way terroists treat those weaker than they are.
I can see that the terrorists have won. They have turned the U.S. into their mirror image. We torture enemy combatants and civilians grabbed randomly off streets, and we commit massacres and then cover them up. Congrats, Zarqawi. You achieved more than you thought you would.
http://mindprod.com/politics/iraqtortures.html#TORTURES
Posted by WW at June 9, 2006 11:28 PM
"Michael, the so-called milblogosphere, which is actually nothing more than a propaganda tool for the far-right wing, is chock full of personal attacks on anyone who disagrees with the crackbrained view it advances."
Potty Willy calls the kettle black.
"You are typical of Greyhawk and his amen chorus: Ever ready to dish it out, but unable to take it. That spirit, writ large, is what we're seeing in Iraq. The U.S. defeat has all kinds of causes, but one of them surely is the inability to take criticism, admit error and make corrections."
Willy admits he is unable to take, recognize or acknowledge criticism directed at him and could correctly put himself to sleep without a clue by four.
"Along those lines, my apologies to Trevor. I didn't know he is in Iraq. It's obviously incorrect of me to accuse him of being willing only to put others in harm's way, as is the case for most of the so-called milbloggers who post from the comfort of their houses in the United States."
Willy admits he leaps to conclusions without knowing anything about those he accuses of crimes, "amen choruses", and serving their country. Where was Willy when I defended my country for over 20 years without a peep of thanks form him or his comrades in Communism? He was watching TV and sitting in the comfort of his home. Pretty smart of you, Willy, to take on Men who did their duty long before you recognized what duty was.
"That said, the near-exclusive focus of the so-called milblogs on wingnut politics is obvious to anyone who browses it. Look at Greyhawk's commentary on Zarqawi, for example. He just couldn't resist making it a statement on the defeatist left wing."
If the shoe fits...... stick it up your ass.....
"Look, Greyhawk, even your Liar-in-Chief isn't daring to claim that this is anything more than a symbol. Hell, I think it's a distraction, and close to a meaningless one at that. Soon enough, they'll gin up another Emanuel Goldstein figure for everyone to hate."
I nominate Willy for said figurehead!
Quoted comments Posted by WW at June 9, 2006 05:18 PM
Unquoted are mine.
Subsunk
Posted by Subsunk at June 10, 2006 03:16 AM
"This is for Subsunk and all the others who hold different standards for terroists than they do for US soldiers.
"It has to do with honor, something that is quite archaic yet not obsolete."
"Honorable people treat other people of honor one way, and treat people who are dishonorable, another way."
"Thus, while I would cut Z-Man in little itty bitty pieces and feed them piecemeal to the hogs and pigs as part of their slush, I would not do so to an enemy that behaved in a manner befitting an honorable combatant in war time. Honorable enemies deserve respect, and if you have to kill them, you do it with the least amount of pain as possible."
"There is no shame in treating people the way terroists treat those weaker than they are."
"WW demands respect and honor for himself and the media... but guess what? All he'll get is some pieces left over after the pigs are finished."
Posted by Ymarsakar at June 9, 2006 10:58 PM
Ymarsakar,
Respectfully, sir, I said I have different standards for my friends [and by extension my soldiers] than I do for terrorists. I expect my friends to behave better than the terrorists. I did not elaborate because I only post to antagonize Willy, since he is an idiot.
I apologize for not being clearer. But my friends treat the innocent with compassion and respect because they have Honor in great amounts. Willy and Terrorists treat perfectly inncoent people who do not fit their agenda with contempt and disdain. Zarqawi and his kind obscure the Truth of their existence with Death, hoping to hide their intentions and win victories by eliminating lesser beings who may one day rise up and slay them for the murderers they are. Willy obscures the Truth by twisting facts, casting blame on innocents, and rewriting and editing the facts of a story to ensure his enemies look bad, and his opinions are made to look positiviely godlike. He is a knave who twists the Truths we've spoken to make a trap for fools.
In Nazi Germany, they called that propaganda. Here it is called diarrhea of the mouth (or keyboard, if you prefer). Either way it is a sickness which deserves to be eliminated. Goebbels through his death, and Willy through ridicule for the charlatan, liar, and childish tantrum thrower he is.
Again, perhaps I should have been clearer of whence I spoke.
Subsunk
Posted by Subsunk at June 10, 2006 03:29 AM
I would have disengaged the note to sub, because in retrospect the point I made wasn't about the troll phenomenon.
To clarify, what I really meant was that I agreed with subsunk in treating WW differently than say, people on Sub's side.
The point about honor was a separate one, related, but mostly about how I viewed things. The transition didn't communicate what I wanted it to.
What you, sub, said right now to clarify your meaning, was what I suspected you meant. So I wrote how I viewed such things. Since that got me thinking along that route.
Posted by Ymarsakar at June 10, 2006 04:34 AM
Where was Willy when I defended my country for over 20 years without a peep of thanks form him or his comrades in Communism? He was watching TV and sitting in the comfort of his home.
Depends on when those 20 years were, subby. Could well be that I was paying into your beer fund, in which case you might want to consider thanking me for keeping you out of a welfare office somewhere.
Posted by WW at June 10, 2006 07:17 AM
Ymarsakar,
Yes, sir. I agree with everything you said. Thanks for your vote of support.
Subsunk
Posted by Subsunk at June 10, 2006 03:31 PM
"Where was Willy when I defended my country for over 20 years without a peep of thanks form him or his comrades in Communism? He was watching TV and sitting in the comfort of his home."
"Depends on when those 20 years were, subby. Could well be that I was paying into your beer fund, in which case you might want to consider thanking me for keeping you out of a welfare office somewhere."
Posted by WW at June 10, 2006 07:17 AM
Willy,
Request considered and denied.
Go piss up a rope.
Subsunk
Posted by Subsunk at June 10, 2006 03:32 PM
A Medieval torture technique was to get some rags or rope, then stuff it into someone's mouth while you pour water down on them until they swallow convulsively to avoid drowning.
This forces the rag material down their throat into their stomach, so that when you pull it straight out, it'll be quite painful. Perhaps WW should try this on himself, with the benefit of someone else pissing down the rags instead of using water.
Posted by Ymarsakar at June 10, 2006 11:49 PM
Was homosexual rape a medieval torture tactic, or was that something that the U.S. military invented all by itself? Kind of interesting that the Army would do this, given the "don't ask, don't tell" policy. Apparently the wingnuts approve of homosexuality as long as it's violent. All this and kinky, too?
Posted by WW at June 11, 2006 07:47 AM
"Was homosexual rape a medieval torture tactic, or was that something that the U.S. military invented all by itself? Kind of interesting that the Army would do this, given the "don't ask, don't tell" policy. Apparently the wingnuts approve of homosexuality as long as it's violent. All this and kinky, too?"
Posted by WW at June 11, 2006 07:47 AM
Gee Willy, I guess we had to find something for all our "don't ask, don't tell" inductees to do to keep themselves busy all these years. Where the hell did this homosexual rape occur in Haditha again? Besides there is only one allegation of homosexual rape and it was conducted by the Iraqis themselves at Abu Ghraib, but under eyes of the US soldiers who encouraged it. See that's what happens when you don't actually get the full facts for your rants. If you actually read the reports instead of the news, you'd know what really went on.
Subsunk
Retired toothless ex-welfare queen who spent all his unearned tax money on booze and one of those long backscratchers so I could really scratch my nuts without my nonexistent dick getting in the way..... Any more slurs you want to tack on, Willy? My fingers are getting tired of typing them.
Posted by Subsunk at June 11, 2006 01:16 PM
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