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Senior Airman (Air Force E4) Elio Carrion is a USAF Security Police troop who recently returned from Iraq. On leave in San Bernadino County, California, his welcome home included three rounds from a sheriff's deputy - but we don't mean free drinks.
The shooting, which occurred on a residential street in Chino, was recorded by a bystander and shows Carrion crouching on the ground telling the deputy that he was "on your side" and meant him "no harm."Caught on video. I haven't seen it yet, but I heard the audio today, and it's pretty damning.
At one point, a voice on the recording appears to say "stay on the ground." Seconds later, however, the deputy appears to tell Carrion: "Get up, get up." As Carrion rises, the deputy, who is standing several feet away, shoots him three times.
Carrion remains hospitalized in good condition.
Carrion was the passenger in a blue Corvette that had led the deputy on a brief high-speed chase Sunday night. The chase ended when the driver crashed into a fence on a residential street. Neither Carrion nor the driver had any weapons, sheriff's officials said.
The LA Times says they've ID'd the shooter
A source close to the investigation confirmed the identity of the deputy as Ivory J. Webb IV, 45.Update 2:
Answering the front door of Webb's home, a woman said the deputy, currently on paid administrative leave, was not willing to discuss the shooting.
"We have nothing to say," the woman said. "Please leave our property."
Webb was named as one of seven co-defendants in a 2004 federal civil lawsuit against San Bernardino County sheriff's deputies that alleged excessive use of force by another deputy. Jurors in that case ruled for the officers and cleared Webb, who had been accused of failing to stop his colleague from misconduct.
Webb is believed to be the son of a former Compton chief of police, also named Ivory Webb.
This is so typical of this department that is known for its obfuscation and outright manipulations of the system to protect their rogue cops. And how do I know this? A hint, first hand experience. I have both a state and federal case pending against this department and the county that protects them.Rest here.
4 Feb update: The San Bernardino Sheriff confirms the name of the deputy who shot Airman Carrion, and the victim's family wonders why the shooter isn't in jail.
I do too.
I saw the video last night on the news and it was clear that the deputy said "get up" and the airman said "I'm getting up" right before the shooting. As soon as the deputy shot him he said "you don't get up" and a bystander (out of photo frame) said "but you just told him to get up". It was obvious from the video that the deputy was not in control. It appeared that the airman was trying to calm him down, but it might have backfired leading the deputy to be more agitated (NOT the fault of the airman). Then, as the police "expert" was quoted, the deputy may have mixed up "shut up" and "get down", particularly since the deputy started screaming "shut up" after the shooting.
My comment is, the deputy sure used a lot of foul language, which often escalates a situation on both sides. He also was yelling the entire time and seemed awful hyped up for what seemed like a short chase (according to the news). Maybe there are other mitigating circumstances, but it seems that this deputy needs some counseling, training, or maybe another job.Posted by Andrew C at February 2, 2006 07:29 PM
I saw it like Andrew. I think the police trainer is focusing in on the reasons for firing the gun. What I saw was a deputy unable to control the situation without being loud, vulgar, and using deadly force. Sadly, it seems he had the situation under control once he drew his weapon. I normally prefer giving law enforcement a lot of leeway in how they do their job. However, this guy, Ivory Webb, seems a danger to the public.
I'm happy the airmen is in good condition. I hope Webb is taken off the streets.Posted by Leland at February 2, 2006 07:55 PM
Andrew, three shots at an unarmed man at point plank range calls for a bit more than counseling.Posted by Greyhawk at February 2, 2006 07:56 PM
The shooter was black
The victim hispanic
You can bet your last dollar
The story will vanish.
I saw this video as well, I'm sure I heard it without all the bleeps on the Today Show, but now I can't seem to find that video and the video that is available seems to be editedPosted by Mrs G at February 2, 2006 08:32 PM
On all counts a poorly trained officer:
1) Not in control, as exhibited by foul language, clarity of orders given, and attitude.
2) I am glad he didn't kill the airman, but 3 shots at point blank range and he didn't kill him? He has poor gun-handling skills as well as fire-discipline.
I watched the video... it's too dark, and I can't find a high-enough quality version to watch critically. Needless to say, I'd love to see/hear the original.
It certainly sounded like the officer told him to get up... unless he reached for his belt, pocket, or made some other move that might have appeared like he was going for a weapon, I can't see any justification for the shooting.
As for his saying "I'm on your side" and such... he wouldn't be the first felon who claimed to be a cop to get an officer to drop his guard.Posted by TheNewGuy at February 2, 2006 09:26 PM
I do tend to understate things a little bit, Greyhawk. Though, in regards to being unarmed, the deputy was too close to the suspect. You're taught (in a good class) that anyone in 21' with a impact weapon is a potential lethal threat. The deputy was well within that range. And given the angle of the airman and deputy, when the airman got up, his hands probably disappeared out of sight towards his waist (he appeared to us his hands to get up instead of keeping them out). Not good for the airman.
But I also agree with Elmer. The deputy wasn't controlling the situation very well (such as being too close). BTW - the favorite explicative was the f word, which in my book is about as strong as it gets. The deputy should have been a better shot, but it's not uncommon to miss more than hit (another thing you're taught). Fortunately for Carrion, the deputy was as bad at shooting as he was at controlling the situation.Posted by Andrew C at February 2, 2006 10:05 PM
The only counseling that deputy needs is state prison. There he'll learn what it's like to be bullied and terrified by people with weapons.
There is no justification for the shooting. None.Posted by antimedia at February 3, 2006 04:43 PM
What was that jackass doing with a badge? He's no different that the racist bastards that beat Rodney King. I love the Police and this type of drooling stooge is exactly the reason many people don't trust them.
He needs to be fired, prosecuted, convicted, and dumped into a cell...
Of course, we all make mistakes--some worse than others. We're all sinners who need salvation. But it's not up to us to forgive this guy. Only God and his victim can do that. Our responsibility is to get him and any other threat to Public Safety off the streets.
Administrative leave? The Police Department needs to get rid of this loser.Posted by jtb-in-texas at February 3, 2006 05:06 PM
The officer played football for the Iowa Hawkeyes, which will get you a free pass for anything. Hayden Fry says Webb is a stand-up guy, so it must be so, regardless of anything on tape. *rolls eyes*
Posted by Radish at February 3, 2006 10:14 PM
Stand-up guys in positions of authority do not cuss like troopers and completely lose control of a situation they had complete control of. The cop was out of control, used very poor procedure and shut the man for no reason. Then he yells "Shots fired! Shots fired!" into his mike, which we all know means "Police offer being shot at. Please assist!"
The investigation should be short, the discipline quick, and the criminal trial easy to win. The guy is guilty as hell.Posted by antimedia at February 3, 2006 10:33 PM
The video tape will be held as inadmissable and unless any witnesses come forward to testify the whole thing will be come out as officer justified shooting. Witnesses will be hard pressed to get to court. They know what they will go through if they try and take the law on. They have seen and heard about it way too much.
A civil suit will be filed, which will be tied up in court for years, until which time the Airman will have to give it up because of mounting legal defenses.
It's happened just exactly that way many times and it will continue to happen.
Law and Order, California Style.
Well, I guess the accidental discharge defense couldn't be used (three shots), so they're going with "officer threatened." Pathetic. This "cop" should be in prison, it was no mistake, he CLEARLY instructs the person to get up, multiple times. His obscentify laced instructions were enough for him to be relived of his badge alone, add to that the shooting and we have ourselves a criminal. It's a good thing there was someone there to video tape the incident, absent that we would all be talking about a suspect being shot after resisting arrest. It looks like the officer ordered the suspect to stand only to give himself some sort of justification for shooting him. To defend this cop is shameful, his father is a coward, as has been the dept. so far.Posted by me at February 7, 2006 12:52 PM Hide Comments | Show/Add Comments in Popup Window(14) | (Note: You must refresh main page to view newly posted comments here)