Looks like the Iraqis have another face to put on that new reality TV show. And CBS has some explaining to do...

The American military shot another reporter. That is not new. They are trying to spin it to make it look like he was an enemy. That is to be expected. And all of you idelogically blinded people in the blogosphere buy it, like you all bought the "a few bad apples" theory of Abu Gharib and so much more. Sadly, that is not news either.

Another graduate of the Dan Rather School of Unbiased Reporting and Film Making!

Please tell me this was the same Pulitzer Prize winning guy that "just happened" to be on the scene of the assasination of those Iraqi civilians. Or the Pulitzer Prize winning guy that "just happened" to be in position to take the photos of burned bodies of the Blackwatch Security guys that were hung from the bridge in Fallujah. That would be oh so ironic but we couldn't be that lucky!

And it goes on. Ad nauseum!

Anyone else get the feeling that the average Iraqi is about fed up with the "insurgents"?

"They are trying to spin it to make it look like he was an enemy. That is to be expected."

Really? How many other times has the U.S. military done this? If it's so common, I'm sure Mr. Zimmerman will provide us with dozens of links of examples where the U.S. has detained journalists on suspicion of involvement with the insurgency.

I probably shouldn't, but... is it impossible that a reporter or camera man be an enemy, Charles? If it's impossible, why? And how can you tell the difference. US military active duty hold jobs as camera persons and reporters, after all. If they were captured it would not be as a member of the press but as a member of the Coalition forces. Why is it impossible for the insurgents to have members who take pictures?

This man may or may not be guilty of what he's suspected of being. Someone with immediate knowledge and the ability to investigate will make that determination. If you want to talk about ideological blindness, you'd be wise to use a mirror.

Good. Glad to see this. I have lived inside some of these stories for the last 20 years and note that not once, NOT ONCE, has a journalist ever gotten a single story about the military fully correct in the 10 or so stories I had personal knowledge of and the 100 or so stories I heard about through military reports. (Even when we gave them the quotes and facts on tape or in written form, they would throw that away and go find someone else to interview and when they got his words wrong, he would complain and they would say that is what you said, even if not in the order you said it, or not the complete quote.)

I'll believe ANYTHING the DoD press office puts out before I'll believe anything a press journalist puts out in the last 10 yrs. It ain't that the military is always right. It's just that journalists (and my Mom was one -- she hates todays "egotistic so-called journalists") over the last 10 yrs are wrong more than they are right. They have none of the integrity of newspapermen from 20 yrs ago. There is more integrity in a military man's little finger than in a journalist's entire body.

"If you can bear to hear the Truth you've spoken, twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools......."

If you want the Truth, don't ask a newsman.

Subsunk

Don't be surprised, if their stringer turns out to be a bad guy, that CBS blames the US Military for the security situation that they have to hire untrustworthy Iraqis.

Here I've been looking for a story link that I read last night about the US military killing journalists and guess what? It was right here under the open posts for the 7th. See:

http://sisypheanmusings.blogspot.com/2005/04/reporters-without-borders-misreports.html

Sisypheanmusings has alot of links gathered about topic. :+:

"They are trying to spin it to make it look like he was an enemy. That is to be expected." >>

Really? How many other times has the U.S. military done this? If it's so common, I'm sure Mr. Zimmerman will provide us with dozens of links of examples where the U.S. has detained journalists on suspicion of involvement with the insurgency.>>

Just watch the movie "control room". No, not a specific example of detaining journalists (killing them instead) but many general examples of their spin to justify what they do to them.

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No it is not impossible, but I use common sense in judging the probability of these things. Which is more likely, the insurgency using a CBS cameraman as an undercover operative, or the military shooting him and then trying to cover it up? Just writing the first possibilty makes me laugh at the absurdity of it. Yet despite this, all you "conservatives" (thats what you call yourselves, I'd call you unwitting dupes of the state) just lap it up.

However, I will concede that I could be wrong in this case, it is just unlikely and would not disprove my point.

Here is the part of my previous post that did not show up:

--is it impossible that a reporter or camera man be an enemy, Charles? If it's impossible, why?

No it is not impossible, but I use common sense in judging the probability of these things. Which is more likely, the insurgency using a CBS cameraman as an undercover operative, or the military shooting him and then trying to cover it up? Just writing the first possibilty makes me laugh at the absurdity of it. Yet despite this, all you "conservatives" (thats what you call yourselves, I'd call you unwitting dupes of the state) just lap it up.

However, I will concede that I could be wrong in this case, it is just unlikely and would not disprove my point.

CBS News -

First hey had fake memos

Now they employ Johnny Jihad.

Talk about a "made for TV" insurgency...we always knew the insurgency was "playing for the press"....now we know that it is "paid by the press"

wow. a dinosaur troll. how original...

Zimmermann, why would the military need to cover it up? Our military has made VERY CLEAR to the media tha dangers of associating with insurgents. Our soldiers will kill them, and they will not hesitate to do so. If a photographer is attached to their hip and get shurt in the process, it's his own damn fault for not listening to warnings.

Actually Charles, I think it is much more likely for CBS (and other western news outlets) to hire, knowingly or not, insurgents than it is for the US military to be shooting journalists and covering them up.

That may make you laugh, but it comes down to who do you think the enemy is, what do you think he's capable of, how diligent do you think the press is, whose side are they really on, and how lawful or unlawful you think the US military is, doesn't it?

I know which side I'm on; more importantly, we know which side you're on. Charles Zimmerman: Jihadi at heart.

What Tim said.

"Which is more likely, the insurgency using a CBS cameraman as an undercover operative, or the military shooting him and then trying to cover it up?"

Charles. I think you are functioning under the serious delusion that the "CBS camera man" is an American sent over there with the CBS reporters and film crew. If that were the case I'd consider it laughable as well.

Question: in WWII, you had journalists embedded with both sides (but no American journalists embedded with the Germans or the Japanese, or vice-versa, at least to my knowledge). Were they regarded just as soldiers or did their press credentials give them any protection?

Charles Zimmerman;

You wrote

"The American military shot another reporter. That is not new. They are trying to spin it to make it look like he was an enemy."

I consider it most likely that the 'cameraman' was an insurgent acting as a cameraman and paid for by CBS news. News organizations like CBS readily admit that they pay local Iraqis for this kind of news coverage because it is too dangerous for Americans. We know for a fact that insurgent attacks have no military value; their value lies only in their propaganda effect, i.e., blow up a checkpoint -> get $2 million dollars worth of free publicity ("news coverage") for the cause. Is it really such a leap for you intellectually to realize that many of these Iraqi 'newsmen' are nothing but adjuncts to the insurgency? I would suggest that if you are looking for ideological blindness you don't need a computer.

CBS says that they hired this photographer three months ago, through a "fixer" who has had a trusted relationship with CBS news for two year's. This is being reported at CNN.!! Plus his camera has video of numerous attacks on U.S. forces. I think we need to find the "trusted fixer". Along with those at CBS who hired these guys..

If it turns out the guy is an insurgent, it's great that they have him in custody. Hopefully they'll get some good intelligence out of him.

The fact that he was working for CBS shouldn't tarnish their reputation.

"The fact that he was working for CBS shouldn't tarnish their reputation."

[cough] [snicker] [bwahahahahaha!] [ROFL]

Whose reputation?

LA is right: "The fact that he was working for CBS shouldn't tarnish their reputation."

How does one make black blacker?

Charles - It is quite possible that this cameraman is not a tried and true Jihadist. But there are certain morals to journalism. I can usderstand being in the right place at the right time and accidentally catching a death on camera. However, it is not ok to have "information" on pre-planned attacks and not divulge that information to the people that that attack is meant to harm. Here is an example in our realm of affairs: If a mass murderer calls me up and tells me that he is going to be in a tower on a college campus in Texas and he is going to kill as many people as he can, it is my duty to inform the authorities. It would be illegal and highly suspicious if I told no one and went to the campus and took pictures of the whole thing. And I certainly shouldn't receive a Pulitzer for this type of reporting.

Now I am reserving judgement of this reports actions until I see more information. But I does seem a little fishy to me.

Also if you know anything about military Public Affairs, you would know that the first rule that they adhere to is: Never publish false information. It would destroy their credibility. In fact, PA will not even work with Pyschological Operations folks because of this. So I highly doubt that the military is trying to spin this.

Charles, I love how people can actually write that it is unlikely that the terrorists would infiltrate the media and use it to their advantage. Read Charles Henderson's new book, Goodnight Saigon, about the last days of Vietnam and you will discover that many Western reporters were being "assisted" by VC operatives, among them those bastions of the mass media, Peter Arnett and Morley Safer. Gee...CBS never does learn, does it?

Can't this be filed as just another "Who Cares? -- If the Liar's a Liberal"?

LA is correct: The fact that he was working for CBS shouldn't tarnish their reputation...

I wouldn't hold it against the terrorists for working with such a discredited "news" organization. Causing mayhem and death, and being a bunch of jack***es, yes, but working with a shoddy news organization, no.

Heh, looks like Osama is giving CBS an award for its Affirmative Action Program.

http://usefulidiots4osama.blogspot.com/2005/04/my-thanks-to-infidel-cbs-news.html

I'm seeing a lot of comments like "Is it so hard to believe that..." and "It's entire possible that..." and "I believe that..." Does anyone, commenter or blogger or anyone, actually have any evidence that this guy was an insurgent? Anything at all?

Before you reply, please keep in mind: "the government said" and "what are you, a terrorist" are not evidence.

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