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A 16-year-old boy who killed nine people and then himself on a Minnesota Indian reservation was wearing a bullet-proof vest when he chased a teacher and fellow students into a classroom and gunned them down, FBI said.
Monday's rampage by Jeff Weise -- the worst U.S. school shooting since the 15-death Columbine massacre in 1999 -- appeared to have been planned, investigators said. The spree left seven wounded, five of whom were still being treated in hospitals.
I'm confused, why would he wear a bullet proof vest if he was planning on killing himself?
According to Hugh had Weise not turned the gun on himself, he would never have been eligible for the death penalty because of the recent Supreme Court decision.
Apparently, Weise, may have been investigated last year in connection with a shooting threat to the school, according to posts made on a Nazi website.
On April 19 2004, he posted to the talkboard: "By the way, I'm being blamed for a threat on the school I attend because someone said they were going to shoot up the school on 4/20, Hitlers birthday, and just because I claim being a National Socialist, guess whom they've pinned?"
The Libertarian National Socialist Green Party,on whose messageboard Jeff Weise posted one year before shooting people at his Minnesota high school, today refused to wring hands over a "tragedy," instead pointing out that such events are to be expected when thinking people are crammed into an unthinking, irrational modern society. According to the LNSG, the school shooting itself is not our failure; society is our failure, and the school shooting is a symptom. We knew [Weise] briefly through 34 posts he made on the forum," said LNSGP forum administrator Atem. "He expressed himself well and was clearly highly intelligent and contemplative, especially for one so young." Weise participated in the forum in part because, unlike "white nationalist" or "white power" movements, the LNSG embraces all races as part of its vision of world nationalism. His statements on the site reflected a frustration with the populist politics and materialistic arrogance of modern society.
Aldous Huxley-"At least two thirds of our miseries spring from human stupidity, human malice and those great motivators and justifiers of malice and stupidity, idealism, dogmatism and proselytizing zeal on behalf of religious or political idols."
Common thread with the school shootings (MN-of which there are actually 2, and Colo.) is the Goth culture! Just a thought. But with the Red Lake Res shooting what you will hear (we in MN are already hearing this) is that it is about poverty, easy access to guns and racism.Posted by Toni at March 23, 2005 03:28 PM
Weise was probably wearing that vest for the simple reason that he wanted time to shoot up more people before killing himself. It's pretty well known that police shoot for the center mass of the body, the head shot is notorious for it's difficulty.
I've read at least one report that Weise was grinning and waving as he shot it out with police. I would surmise that he shot himself when he realised that he would kill no more people, either because he was pinned down or, perhaps, anchored with a wound. We'll see as the investigation unfolds. Right now the 'news' contains a lot of opinion and speculation with very little in the way of facts.
The Left seems to be in their default position of blaming the easy availability of the guns he used, not caring that this would have happened in their dream world of only police and military having guns. The first ones killed were the grandfather and grandmother. The grandfather was a Police Officer. He was required to have a gun handy.
It's not about any of that. There is no *root* cause for school shootings other than poor parenting and screwed up kids. Blame the Goth culture, blame guns, blame video games, blame music, but there are hundreds of thousands of "Goth" kids, there are thousands of teens who legally own firearms (I'm one of them), there are millions who listen to the same music and play the same video games. Yet there are only a very small amount of school shootings.
Why is that?Posted by Mike at March 23, 2005 03:59 PM
The use of body armor seems to be on the rise among psychopathic shooters who are interested in large amounts of casualties. The recent incident in Texas involved a shooter with body armor as well.Posted by Mike at March 23, 2005 04:02 PM
I'm sure we'll be hearing of the need for body-armor-control soon.Posted by Mike at March 23, 2005 04:02 PM
Just wanted to point out Minnesota does not have the death penalty, hasn't for more than 100 years.
The vest the boy was wearing was from his Police officer grandfather, as where most of the weapons. All the regulation in the world would not have kept those items from him.
The troubling aspect is he fit every catagory of a school shooter. And could have been stopped if just one person was paying attention.Posted by dave at March 23, 2005 05:07 PM
I agree with Dave's comment that in this case, "All the regulation in the world would not have kept those items from him." I think a good issue for discussion would be the fact that the person standing guard at the school's metal detector was unarmed. That just doesn't make much sense to me. Even the officers at my high school (10 years ago) were armed.