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DUMMERSTON, Vt., March 1 - It began as a garden-variety Vermont town meeting.
The people of Dummerston - or at least the 120 or so who braved a blistering snowstorm - voted Tuesday to give $300 to a meals program for elderly shut-ins, to spend $93,500 on a dump truck and plow, and to grant tax-exempt status to the Green Mountain Camp for girls.
But then they turned their attention halfway around the world.
In a debate that echoed in at least 50 other Vermont towns holding their annual meetings this week, Dummerston passed a resolution asking the State Legislature to investigate the impact of National Guard deployments on Vermont's readiness for a natural disaster or other emergency. The measure, which also asks Congress and the president to "take steps to withdraw American troops from Iraq," was part of a new effort by antiwar activists to take the debate over the war down to a distinctly local level.
Hard telling whether America will comply with Vermont's demands - in light of recent events I'd guess it's not likely. Still, of the Vermont towns that voted on the issue the vast majority agreed: surrender is America's only option.
"This shows that the antiwar movement is different for this war than it probably has been for every war before," Mr. Lems said. "What these people are demanding is accountability, and they have this incredibly strong message - their sons, their daughters and their parents in some cases have had their lives torn apart by the war. It's probably the most powerful message we have right now."
In results available Tuesday, 39 Vermont towns, including Dummerston, passed the resolution, 3 defeated it, 3 tabled it, and one town's vote ended in a draw.
The White House, which has Mudville's comment section available below, has thus far refused to respond.
Notice it is called DUMMERSTON. As in dumb and dumber.Posted by Ruth H at March 2, 2005 11:21 PM
I am guessing that these vermonters don't have a clear understanding of what the National Guard is for. Funny. Last I checked the National Guard was first a MILITARY organization. Not volunteers to clean up after snow storms or other Natural Disasters. Those are secondary concerns that are fine for soldiers that are not deployed.
As to demanding accountability, where do they get that? Have they any evidence that the soldiers from there state have been misused? And what makes them qualified to make such a decision?
The best thing that anyone could do is let them waste their time and ignore them.Posted by Nylarthotep at March 2, 2005 11:40 PM
So are they going to secede from the union if we don't pull out of Iraq? Incredibly stupid.Posted by DebbieR at March 3, 2005 12:01 AM
First I had to give up French Fries.
Now, it's pancake syrup.
If things keep going on like this, the only thing left to eat will be BBQ'd Terrorist Sympathizers.Posted by Soldier's Dad at March 3, 2005 01:29 AM
Vermont has a long history of being independent. As I recall they never officially ratified the constitution. Many vermonters proudly say that they never joined the United States. Things haven't changed that much since Ethan Allen considered creating the Republic of Columbia.
In our huge and mostly pastoral and peacful country it is natural to be isolationist. But the world is smaller and more connected than ever. That evil triumphs when good people do nothing is still true today.
"What these people are demanding is accountability, and they have this incredibly strong message - their sons, their daughters and their parents in some cases have had their lives torn apart by the war. It's probably the most powerful message we have right now."
I imagine their lives will be less torn apart when the slightly more powerful message embodied in the smuggled nuclear device goes off in the ports of Los Angeles, New York, Miami, or Houston through the efforts of the most fanatical adherents of the "Religion of Peace".
Wretchard is correct when he says, "The Left will wake up one day, on the morning it is led down a dark corridor to a cell floored with rubber mats, sloping curiously down to a corner where a single drain waits to carry fluid away. The walls will be bare but for a banner with the words 'Allah is Great' opposite a video camera whose tripod legs are protected with a drop cloth. On a table will be a single knife. And then they will know. Then they will see." -- Belmont Club
Vermont can go forth wherever they want. I guess "Give me liberty or give me Death" doesn't mean the same thing it used to. The rest of us intend to defend our lives.
SubsunkPosted by Subsunk at March 3, 2005 02:06 PM
It looks like most of the resolutions were considerably watered down before passage. (i.e. Legislature to study....)
It's really easy for a small group of people to "capture" a town meeting. And the easiest way to get rid of them is to agree.
Here in Connecticut our town used to approve the budgets at town meetings, but these were manipulated by teachers unions and supporters so now we go to a town wide referendum.
Best to ignore this and deny the activists their publicityPosted by Dave Moelling at March 3, 2005 02:33 PM
I am a Vermont Guardsman and have been for the past 17 years. I can only give my perspective. What I will say is that the people who supported the demand to withdraw from Iraq in these towns don't reflect the opinions of the troops who we have deployed and some who have returned. Our soldiers are proud of their service and did their duty. They are proud of what they have accomplished, both in Iraq and in Afghanistan. Last June I attended the funerals of three Guardsmen who were killed in action. Without exception all three families were proud of their loved one's service and sacrifice. All three families had met one another through the family support net program and attended the funeral services for their new found friends' loved ones, in spite of their own grief and pain. I learned to love and hate Toby Keith's "American Soldier" from those funerals. Each family had that song played during the services. That says an awful lot. That is also reflective of how most of the troops and their families feel. When the unit returned from theater last week, I know two, if not three, of the families of our fallen soldiers were there to greet their loved ones' comrades as the got off the jets at the return ceremony at the VTANG airbase. That was at 0500 and in the front end of a snow storm that day. That says an awful lot too.
The majority of our soldiers here are from the rural areas of the state and these area are predominently conservative types who like their guns, hunting, fishing, snowmobiles and four wheelers. I know this for a fact as I had commanded one of the armor battalions in the most rural area of the state. The people behind the so called peace resolutions are pretty much from what I call the bohemian prolitariat. They are trust fund babies. They have come from MA, NYC, NJ etc. They brought their liberal politics with them. This influx of liberals have moved up into Vermont since the late '60s. Since many do not have to work for a living they need things to do, like get active in the local politics, and have taken it over. I realize that I will get some flak but in the town where I live, about half the poplulation of 2500 do not have to work. The very liberal speaker of the Vermont House is also from my town (go figure). These people are not the true Vemonters.
If people look back in history, Vermont, Maine and NH were the only three states who voted against FDR in the presidential election of 1940, and that was after 8 years of the New Deal! If you dig back farther, the Vermont Brigade had a reputation in the Army of the Potomac similar to the Jackson's Stonewall Brigade. These were the ancestors of our troops, no exaggeration.
So if you take a swipe at Vermont-please do not slight the troops. We are as disgusted with the stupidity and ignorance and anyone with good sense.
Last point, one of our young officers who did a tour in Afghanistan stood up in the town meeting on Tuesday and told the crowd in attendence what he and our troops did there and the good that was being accomplished. He even spoke to what was going on in Iraq and the good being done there and how our guys feel about it. He was given a standing ovation and the town voted down the resolution. I couldn't believe it as it was my town. I guess you could call say it was a good demonstation of information operations.
GreyEagleO6Posted by GreyEagleO6 at March 3, 2005 05:28 PM
On the west coast we have Berzerkly, Boxer, the 9th circuit court and the Hollywood justice system. On the east coast we have Byrd (aka Sen Sheets) Massachusetts and Ted the swim teacher, and now Vermont in a display of stupidity that astounds me. While here in the heartland, the flyover area, the places of funny accents and cornfields, we have what? Oh yeah, values!Posted by mrupe at March 3, 2005 05:31 PM
Sir, No disrespect intended to you and others serving our country. It just seems to me you have another battle on your hands. Taking your homes back from these ignorrant fools who would surrender it with no fight.
Thanks for your service.
No offense taken. Thanks, much appreciated.Posted by GreyEagleO6 at March 3, 2005 05:58 PM
Sir. After my retirement, I thought my battles were over as well. Three months later, our country was attacked. I am sure you know how when we take the oath to defend the Constitution, it specifically says, "against all enemies, foreign and domestic". But you also know, that unless Posse Comitatus is cited, we (the active duty we) can't truly respond to defense against domestic enemies.
And now that I am retired, that is my job. To defend the Constitution against domestic enemies, since I can't do so against foreign enemies. (It is a younger man's game anyway).
I see domestic enemies in the "trust fund babies" your great state has unfortunately been infested with. I am proud of you and your troops service abroad and at home. I am proud that you choose to defend our country at home with the few legal weapons we are allowed. Your voice and your example. You and your men deserve our thanks and respect. If we can ever assist you in defending the Constitution against these domestic enemies, you must ask. We will do our best to respond.
Thanks for setting us straight on how things are in Vermont, Sir.
SubsunkPosted by Subsunk at March 3, 2005 07:23 PM
Give Me Liberty or Give Me Death!!!!
No, NO, you IDIOT!!! I wanted DEATH!!!!!
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