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It was my reading of that quote at your site so many times that inspired me to write something about it. It is a wonderful bit of wisdom, and combined with this quote of Haile Selassie's, is a rather effective way of making critics of the war ponder their position, if but for a moment, until their fuzzy logic takes hold again.
"Throughout history, it has been the inaction of those who could have acted; the indifference of those who should have known better; the silence of the voice of justice when it mattered most; that has made it possible for evil to triumph."
Charles at Global Spec Ops brought this bit of wisdom to my attention.
"Good people sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf."
George Orwell (with a nod to the Mudville Gazette)Rough men
There's a character trait that's decided by fate
Comes (sadly) to many, far too faint, far too late.
They won't face the aggressor, stand up to his ire
They have not the will to fight his fire with fire.
So they bend over backwards to see all sides as fair,
Till they're faced with dragon breath fire in their hair.
Like our brethren in France, who'd know better than we,
Yet seem never to learn, seem doomed never to see.
Yes, it seems there are some who're determined by fate,
To possess not the courage to step up to the plate,
Who shrink from all threat because nothing's worth war.
But how can they know lest they've been there before?
Thank God some have courage, the will, yes, the grace,
To stand for the shirkers, stand strong in their place.
Thank God we have stalwarts who'll stand for us all,
Who will rise to the challenge at their nation's call.
The faint-hearted, who fear, whose reaction is flight,
Have no comprehension of those who will fight.
To hide their own trepidation they attempt to demean
The rough men, who defend them, as barbaric, obscene.
Yet these rough men stand ready, hard weapons to hand,
To put placaters behind them, draw a line in the sand,
To preserve for the peaceniks what they won't defend,
So their own unearned freedom won't perish, won't end.
To appeasers, rough men are coarse government tools.
To rough men, appeasers are dumb delusional fools.
2d Bn, 327th Parachute Infantry Regiment
101st Airborne Division
Thank You Russ
Russ Vaughn is the Poet Laureate of The American Thinker
UPDATE: It seems there is a debate on where this quote originated. Now by all means, I'm no scholar but I can google and this is my conclusion.
It may be a merger of the statment made in Orwell's essay on Rudyard Kipling (1942) ["He (Kipling) sees clearly that men can only be highly civilized while other men, inevitably less civilized, are there to guard and feed them."] and the definition of a pacifist from Orwell's "Notes on Nationalism" (1945) [PACIFIST: Those who 'abjure' violence can only do so because others are committing violence on their behalf.]
Now who do we attribute this quote to? I say both. No one knows who created the exact quote that Greyhawk uses. Neither Orwell or Kipling said those exact words in any of their writings and we may never know who did, so let's close the matter with what we do know. These two were brilliant men and the quote was obviously derived from these writings.
And to the commenter who says on his site, Still, (mostly) warmongerers have been repeating this made-up phrase without question for a long time, and now with the "Good" attached - which in my opinion significantly alters the meaning of the quote which implies that the "good people" consent. Plenty of good people do not consent to most war.
To this I say yes, you right, "Good" shouldn't be added because bad people also sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf. And the word "Good" added doesn't show consent by good people, it's just an undeniable fact, and for your information all quotes are made up, that's how they come into existance. Now "Shoo Fly don't bother me". -Thomas Brigham Bishop (sang by Kitty Wells)
maybe Greyhawk should add this quote to his header:
"Take my word for it, the silliest woman can manage a clever man; but it needs a very clever woman to manage a fool. - Rudyard Kipling"
-- Mrs Greyhawk
By the way that's why I never attributed the quote - its source is unknown. A lot of people credit me with it now, but that was never my intention. (Well, I did add the bit about the reader forgiving rough language or behavior.)
I really enjoyed this poem, as I do all of Mr. Vaughn's works that you have posted. I have to say, however, that everytime I read the quote at the top of the page, I chuckle to myself that, even though I am sure there are many "rough men" out there, those of us who really know Greyhawk think of him as more of the big loveable teddy bear type--albeit a BRAVE loveable teddy bear! (and besides, who would you really rather spend time with, some rough guy or your favorite teddy bear? So there, lil' bro, now the world knows your secret :) Love you!Posted by bigsisevengreyerhawk at December 16, 2004 04:25 PM
...which is why MY family doesn't know about the blog...Posted by Blackfive at December 16, 2004 05:59 PM
My hat is off to both Greyhawk and Blackfive for their efforts to make the people of this country appreciate those rough men they talk about. Their blogs are what mine tries to be but just never quite gets there. I personally have a very strong hunch that should the need arise Greyhawk could turn into someone his family can't even imagine. There's a piece of every true Warrior that's best kept hidden till it's needed.Posted by Bill Faith at December 16, 2004 06:19 PM
The rough men poem is actually by Rudyard Kipling and not Orwell. It's been erroneously attributed to him for a while...
thebronze is right. Since there's a bunch of people linking to this post, it might be wise to correct that. I found a bit of bg about the quote and put it on my blog - click on my homepage link.
Whoever it ought to be attributed to, it would seem to me it's still pretty vague (which I also discuss in the post above).Posted by theyeti at December 17, 2004 02:33 AM
Bill, I certainly have no doubt that Greyhawk could rise to any occasion if need be, but I would characterize him more as strong and capable rather than "rough." And after all, bears can be quite ferocious. :)Posted by bigsisevengreyerhawk at December 18, 2004 05:27 AM
That is a very nice poem I wonder if Mr. Vaughn
has ever read any of the work by a Robert Service.
I would recomend it to him if he has not, I think
that he would like his work very much.
let me correct you if I may, the Rough men poem is by Russ Vaughn, the quote is what you are debating. Just didn't want Russ to get offended, but I know he's a smart man and probably new what you ment.
LOL! Too late, I've already heard from Russ via email. I was in fact, talking about the quote, not Russ' poem. Sorry for the confusion.