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I've mentioned before a young Mike Moore fan I'm stationed with over here. He's written a letter in Jabba's book and had at least one other published on Moore's web site. Recently this young troop started receiving packages from one of the fairly well-known letters-to-troops outfits back in the states, acting as his unit's POC and distributing some to the other guys. Being familiar with most such organizations I asked him where he'd discovered them.
"Michael Moore's web page." He replied.
I should have known. This caused me a little concern, as I imagined various anti-war propaganda being sent over via an unwitting agency sincerely wanting to help the troops.
But to the mild dismay of the young GI everything he's received thus far from that organization has originated in various Christian schools throughout America. Everything he's opened has included hand made cards and letters from young kids, their childish scrawls wishing us well and ensuring us in no uncertain terms that God is looking out for us. The same sorts of things are viewable on virtually every office wall over here.
You'd think a few of Mike's many supporters would have followed the link off his homepage wouldn't you? Nope - at least not enough to make any significant contribution to the cause. Couldn't help but point that out to the guy.
"But hey, maybe Mike's readers send stuff to the insurgents." I added as an afterthought. You know, just to give him hope that his fellow Moore fans aren't a completely self-centered lot.
Awesome! I've worried the same thing myself, so what a great anecdote! :)
It's been my observation that those who 'support the troops' through anti-war protests are rather negligent about supporting the troops in a tangible fashion, while those who really support the troops aren't going to be waving signs.
Except for Protest Warrior types, of course....
Why doesn't that surprise me? Although, it's probably better this way - I wouldn't want them to send the troops cards with the Moore-on's picture. Can you just see it? ::shudder::
I don't know if you've seen this site, but it's worth a look - a moving tribute to our military from Clermont County, Ohio. The music and pictures are really beautiful:Republican_Witch at December 3, 2004 05:25 AM
I used to belong to a support site which was listed on Moore's site. Just after F'911 hit the news there was a huge upsurge at the site of new registrants. It was then that the political talk on the site went anti war and anti Bush. I couldn't believe these people. How they could say they supported the troops and yet didn't in any way shape or form support the war and the troop's mission. I left the site along with many others. One of my friends went back to check on the site now and there's very little activity now. Like the last commenter said, MM "troop" supporters aren't in for the long haul. BTW - that site was Books for Soldiers. They also deleted any anti Moore comments and retained anti Bush/anti war comments.Posted by Toni at December 3, 2004 01:24 PM
LOL..well sorry couldn't help it. I think the term "self-centered" hit it right on the head concerning the Michigan Manatee's supporters.
BTW- for those who are in the DC, Maryland, Virginia area: DC Cruisers is throwing a Holiday party for the wounded soldiers who have been admitted to WRAMC. URL for basic info is here: http://www.dccruisers.com/cgi-bin/eventsupcoming.asp
They will be collecting donations as well to help those in the hospital. Should be pretty cool as bike builder Paul Yaffe will be there.Posted by Bucky Katt at December 3, 2004 01:59 PM
What a relief! I too have been concerned about MM types sending anti-war crap to the troops. I'm happy to see that they can't be bothered to put their money and time where their mouths are.Posted by LynnGunn at December 3, 2004 03:46 PM
" BTW - that site was Books for Soldiers. They also deleted any anti Moore comments and retained anti Bush/anti war comments."
I would strongly encourage anyone who has read the above post from Toni criticizing "Books for Soldiers" to go to their website and come to your own conclusions. I think Toni's assessment is wildly inaccurate.
I've never seen anything remotely political on their website one way or another. Oddly enough, the only posts I've seen are about sending books, letters, & care packages to troops. BFS does good work. Toni's gripes sound a lot more like a personal grudge to me.
(And no, I have no formal connection to the organization myself)Patrick at December 3, 2004 10:04 PM
I've been on BFS for quite some time (under a pseud), and recall the Mikey Moore influx. There was some overt Bush trashing, etc., immediately post the link being put on Moore's site, but it died down fairly soon as the moderators put on pressure, and most of those doing the yapping proved to have little perseverence in the mission. BFS is stil very active, and the trolls seem to have either returned to their original bridges or become socialized.Posted by Tim Oren at December 4, 2004 01:35 AM
Greyhawk, do you have a copy of FarenHYPE 911? I just watched it last night, and it's excellent. It points out the numerous errors in Moore's film very well. I'd offer to send my copy to you, but I understand your not wanting to identify yourself. See if your family can send it to you, and show it to this kid. And thank you for your service, and your family's also.Posted by Maggie at December 4, 2004 04:19 AM
I'd like to add my agreement to Tim and Patrick's posts re booksforsoldiers. I've been a member there almost since its inception, and have found it a fair and fairly non-partisan site. The mods over there are very good at what they do, and the little MM spurt of anti-everything fervor Tim mentioned lasted only as long as it took for the mods to squash all who needed to be squashed.
There is a core of posters who are very supportive of the troops and the number of care packages and letters some of them are responsible for is truly inspiring. This is a very active site, and one I'd encourage all to check out. And for Toni and anyone else who left, I'd encourage you all to come back. It's still the same site you remember, a few rough weeks didn't change anything.Posted by Patty at December 4, 2004 04:45 AM
I stand by my comments on BFS. I was one of those whose comments were deleted. When I questioned the action none of the moderators seemed to know anything about it. What I had written wasn't offensive or controversial it was in response to one of those MMoore types bashing Bush. I hardly ever posted comments there much less anything political. Storm Williams was not responding so I left and will not go back nor will I promote the site. BTW - I had been there for a year and donated funds along with supporting the troops so it wasn't like I was a newbie to the site.Posted by Toni at December 4, 2004 01:36 PM
We just sent 1,000 holiday cards to Marines in Iraq from the students and families of Malibu, CA. My girlfriend's son organized most of it, by forming a club called Students for Season's Greetings at Malibu High. He contacted about a dozen greeting card companies and got two of them (Green Mountain Arts and CarsDirect.com) to donate over 1,000 holiday cards -- some even came with a custom message for the Marines. But I had to help with some details. As you probably know, the DoD will not accept cards addressed to "any soldier" and the USO couldn't help either. I finally started calling different offices at Camp Pendleton until I found a sympathetic Marine who gave me the address of a Sgt. Maj. in charge of 2,000 Marines in Iraq. So yesterday we sent a big box with over 1,000 cards from elementary - high school students -- hoping they will arrive in time for Christmas. It was nice to see that even in ultra-liberal Malibu we got such a great response, including a well received article in the local Malibu Times. My girlfriend and I spent the last few days reading each and every card to make sure that only best wishes were being sent in our mailing. We had to rip up about a dozen cards that were not appropriate, but the vast amjority of them were VERY touching. I hope they are well recieved by the Marines who get them. One last point... I was quite surprised to read at least a dozen cards from Malibu High School seniors who said they were planning to enlist in the military after they graduate. Seeing that the young people of MALIBU feel that sense of duty to country makes me feel better about the future of the all volunteer force.
I am a moderator at Books for Soldiers. Our 'no politics' policy is quite clearly enforced. Personally, I have deleted comments on both ends of the political spectrum and everywhere in between. There are many places on the web to discuss politics, but Books for Soldiers is not one of them. The way I look at it, if I'm doing my job correctly, no one on BFS should ever know what my personal politics are-- the only thing that should be clear in everything I do on the site is that I support our military men and women in every way that I can.
Yes, we have had members join who found us through Michael Moore's website or books. But we have also had members join who found us through an article in the National Review or from links on a number of milblogs (because BFS folks supported those bloggers during their own deployments). Still others found their way to us through an article in their local paper or by word of mouth from a friend or family member. Personally, I found it through Google! Frankly, we don't care where they come from as long they are sincerely showing care and support for our deployed military, no matter where they are around the globe.
Books for Soldiers remains committed to the idea that people of all different backgrounds, cultures, opinions, genders, races, and geographies can come together in support of one common goal: sending tangible support to our troops.
Books for Soldiers
It is sad that on a national level, the moonbats seem unwilling to support the troops in any fashion.
About a year ago, in my home town of Indiana, PA, the local moonbat group there, Indiana Voices for Peace, held a big "bring us stuff for care packages for the troops in Iraq" type of drive. I never really checked it out in detail, but I was pleased that they at least did something for those serving overseas, even if they disagree with the administration.
I'd like to see that spread, but the IVP isn't very influential, it would seem.Posted by B. Minich, PI at December 6, 2004 09:16 PM Hide Comments | Show/Add Comments in Popup Window(14) | (Note: You must refresh main page to view newly posted comments here)