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No. And you know why? Because they can't call them "cockpits" any more.
Mentioned this story over the weekend, but it's worth repeating:
Air Force Academy officials are cracking down on some staffers who put Bible verses at the bottom of their academy e-mails.
"None of this [Bible or personal signature notes] is appropriate, and it says this in Air Force instructions," Lt. Col. Laurent Fox said Thursday.
Academy officials sent a memo to everyone at the school on Sept. 15, explaining the policy for using government e-mail. Earlier this week, academy superintendent Lt. Gen. John W. Rosa said the school would bolster its religious-tolerance training after a survey showed evidence of harassment or pressure toward cadets based on their beliefs.
He said that about half the cadets who responded to the annual survey reported hearing religious slurs, comments or jokes and that some cadets felt ostracized because they weren't religious.
This move comes on the heels of the recent DoD decision to ban official support of the Boy Scouts by military installations - because the scouts require religious faith in their members. (They don't require faith in any specific divine being, mind you, just faith, be it Judaism, Islam, Christianity, Buddhism, etc.)
Likewise you can (for now) celebrate any of those religions in this handsome building:
The famous Air Force Academy Chapel. Of course, someone soon will realize how utterly offensive and insensitive such structures are, and the bulldozers will certainly make short work of it. Or perhaps the Air Force can take it down Air Force style, faster than you can say "sniper in the mosque!"
(picture found here - along with several other awesome shots)
Those who've already read Belmont Club today might recall this quote, perhaps now with an extra chill:
For one, Hitler would have taken a very dim view of Jesusland, a country which George Bush is said to be in the process of founding, whose geographic location is to the immediate south of the United States of Canada. Martin Bormann said, "National Socialism and Christianity are irreconcilable." Hitler, according to Klaus Fischer's Nazi Germany stated that "one day we want to be in a position where only complete idiots stand in the pulpit and preach to old women." In a concession to popular feeling, however, the Nazis offered the public certain acceptable 'faith traditions' including something called "Gottglaubig", a dished-up creed heavily overladen with ancient Germanic pagan beliefs with versions of rituals for birth, marriage and death. "By 1938, carols and nativity plays were were forbidden in the schools, and the words 'Christmas' itself was replaced by the word 'Yuletide'."
How appropriate, with the Holiday season upon us.
Update 6 May 2005: This story has reappeared in the headlines. See this updated post and many the links and comments it contains.
I was raised Christian. I lost my faith and was an Atheist for quite a while. I was active in going to some of the Atheist meetings, so I am familiar with their agenda. Their angle is the separation of church and state which I still believe to be correct. They may say that, but in reality they want Atheism to be the state religion. Many complain about the Christians that want Christianity to be the state religion, I'm more worried about Atheism becoming the state religion.Posted by Former Atheist at November 24, 2004 06:27 PM
Your link to the picture with the F22 flying over the chapel is AWESOME. I've got a 19" flat screen & have to crop it to make it fit. THANX & a happy Thanksgiving to you & Mrs. GREYHAWK. Wish you were spending it with her, but I have a feeling you'll make it up to her in subsequent years.Posted by ThomasAgee at November 24, 2004 07:02 PM
Today's trivia (learned as a USAFA Cadet in 1968 -- I wish I'd stuck it out):
Q: Why does the Air Force Academy chapel have 17 spires?
A: 12 for the 12 disciples + 5 for the Joint Chiefs of Staff.Posted by Bill Faith at November 24, 2004 08:13 PM
What garbage. The boy scouts threw out a long term well qualified eagle scout because he did not profess a belief in a deity, and you think that isn't discrimination ? As for those "I was raised Christian. I lost my faith and was an Atheist for quite a while. I was active in going to some of the Atheist meetings, so I am familiar with their agenda. Their angle is the separation of church and state which I still believe to be correct. They may say that, but in reality they want Atheism to be the state religion. Many complain about the Christians that want Christianity to be the state religion, I'm more worried about Atheism becoming the state religion." Meetings, agenda, Aetheism a 'religion", wow, next it will be "aetheists at Roswell channeling UFOs" There may be groups who want to impose aetheism, just like there are groups who want to impose various forms of christianity or islam, but don't make the illogical jump that any of these necessarily represent anything other than what they are, small groups of crackpots.
To imply that there is any threat to established religions is simple crackpottery, black helicopter stuff. What there is, is a threat to religious groups trying to impose their own agenda on others by stealth or force, and so their should.Posted by Ed Snack at November 24, 2004 10:28 PM
Boy Scout membership has never been mandatory. Their rejection of homosexual leaders came only after they paid out several multi-million dollar judgements for boys being poggied by leaders.
Boy Scouts are not trying to impose their beliefs on anyone, only to maintain their standards within their group. What next - sue PETA for not allowing butchers to join?
But where is the reference to cockpits?
Atheist agenda? LOL. The only agenda they have is freedom from religion and FAIRNESS. There is a church on every corner in this country. You can pray there, you can pray at home, you can pray at any privately owned entity.
But the atheists, agnostics, and even other religions, simply believe their tax payer money should not be used by the government to sponser religious/christian activities and such which they definitely dont support and shouldnt support.
To make this painfully clear. How would you feel about the airforce building a chapel of satanism on a base somewhere using your christian based tax dollars???
That should never happen. Government should be neutral ground. It should be swept clean of all refernces to any religion or non religion. It should not teach atheism, or christianity, or anything. Belief is an individual choice and the government should never sponsor one over the other.
The minority group is always discriminated against, and this country is based on the idea that the individual is number one, not mob rule. So this idea that the majority of chrisitans should get their way is laughable.
Ponder what our Founding Fathers said:
"To compel a man to furnish contributions of money for the propagation of opinions which he disbelieves and abhors, is sinful and tyrannical."--Thomas Jefferson, _Statute_for_Religious_Freedom_, 1779, _The_Papers_of_Thomas_Jefferson_, edited by Julron P. Boyd, 1950, 2:545
"Lighthouses are more helpful than churches."--Benjamin Franklin, _Poor_Richard_, 1758
"The way to see by faith is to shut the eye of reason."--Benjamin Franklin, _Poor_Richard_, 1758
"Religion I found to be without any tendency to inspire, promote, or confirm morality, serves principally to divide us and make us unfriendly to one another."--Benjamin Franklin
"Millions of innocent men, women, and children, since the introduction of Christianity, have been burnt, tortured, fined, imprisoned, yet we have not advanced one inch towards uniformity [of opinion]. What has been the effect of coercion? To make one half the world fools, and the other half hypocrites."--Thomas Jefferson, _Notes_on_the_State_of_Virginia_(1781-85), _Oxford_Dictionary_of_Quotations_
Posted by Josh Turner at November 27, 2004 07:40 PM
"During almost fifteen centuries has the legal establishment of Christianity been on trial. What has been its fruits? More or less, in all places, pride and indolence in the clergy; ignorance and servility in the laity; in both, superstition, bigotry and persecution." -- James Madison,_A_Memorial_ and_Remonstrance, _2000_Years_of_Disbelief_ by James A. Haught
So why are they allowing these selfish atheists to run roughshod over all the good christians in this country? its stupid and its the soclaists of the ACLU PAW and American United for the Seperation of Church and StatePosted by blue eagle at November 28, 2004 09:40 PM
I like the reference to 'religious tolerance training', which means that Christians should shut up. This falls into the Newspeak lexicography, like 'bilingual' means 'unable to speak English'.Posted by Doug Dryden at May 6, 2005 02:42 AM
It's not freedom FROM religion - it's freedom OF religion.Posted by Nancy at May 6, 2005 10:16 PM
You can't have freedom OF religion without freedom FROM other religions.Posted by GodlessKinser at May 21, 2005 07:14 PM
Hey Josh and a few others here who keep referring to the separation of church and state,you are in dire need of correction.Jefferso never mentioned anything about separation of church state as you all and the rest of the Secularist movement like to claim.That ruling actually came about in 1947 by Hugo Black an appointee from FDR'S administration and it was aimed at catholics!this was not aimed at anybody of the protestant persuation.it was aimed at Catholic schools because of the anti-catholic bigotry that had been so prevalent in this country and especially here in the South.This bigotry also crossed party lines.And also Hugo Black was from my home state of Alabama.If you don't believe me then get some freedom of information papers or better yet read Mark Levin's book "Men in Black".Posted by Lisa Gilliam at July 25, 2005 08:38 PM Hide Comments | Show/Add Comments in Popup Window(12) | (Note: You must refresh main page to view newly posted comments here)