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It took years to undo the damage the man did, and much is yet to be done.
Posted by GS Commando at September 7, 2004 11:30 PM
Didn't McPeak start the whole "Quality"/TQM thing in the Air Force? I spent so much time at "off sites" on "tiger teams" in those days I never got anything done.
I'm not kidding, there was a 12-step process to improve every damn thing we did. The slow-down was unreal.
Posted by Thunderhead at September 7, 2004 11:35 PM
I posted a bit on this topic at my blog, as well as a link to a TNR piece, the gist of which is former Generals should stay out of politics. This would be bad for the GOP because so many in the military -- and so many officers -- reflect their party affiliation. But I think Generals should stay apolitical, for the most part. Clinton asked at least one General officer what his party affiliation was (from the TNR article) and I'd rather Generals are promoted on their ability to kiss ass rather than their voting record. Hmm... maybe that's how we got Clark...
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Posted by fred Schoeneman at September 8, 2004 01:03 AM
No problem with retired Generals being political. In fact, I wish McPeak had retired and turned political much sooner than he did.
Posted by Zoomie D Wingnut at September 8, 2004 01:19 AM
Total loser. Father of quality, airline style uniforms and many other idiotic ideas. First and only Chief of Staff USAF to have his successor publicly state that his first job was to undo what his predecessor had done.
I'll never forget sitting through one of his idiot quality courses on consensus building. As an example, I asked the instructor at what point in time I should build consensus in my squad after receiving orders to take an objective. Response: this stuff is only for peacetime. YGBSM!
Posted by Mike at September 8, 2004 01:53 AM
The Air Force of today is still recovering from McPeak's tenure as Chief of Staff (COS). By a fluke, McPeak (the ACC Commander)was appointed COS after Mike Dugan (a great leader) was forced to retire after some appropriate yet not politically correct comments.
Here are some McPeakizms for you to digest:
As COS a Fighter Jet was parked and ready for him to fly around DC in at any time.
McPeak literally pulled the chair out from under the CINC PACAF and had it flown by military transport jet to DC for his office in the Pentagon. He happened to have grown fond of that chair when he was CINC PACAF.
McPeak hated Air Force regulations so now regulations are instructions that are broad in nature and lacking in specifics. Most of these have or are being rewritten to put some teeth back in the process.
McPeak once stated "it would make me happy if every command position in the Air Force was filled by a fighter pilot". This made the airlift, tanker and bomber drivers extremely happy and many left the service early after McPeak was annointed COS.
I recall a copy of the quote placed on a bulletin board in the airlift command post with McPeak's picture next to it and as airlift pilots walked by they would stick pins in the picture. It was hard to see McPeak's face after a couple of days.
Curtis LeMay, Jack Catton, Bennie Davis, and a host of other former Air Force Generals are waitin at the pearly gates for McPeak to arrive so they can kick his butt down under for what he did to their Air Force. The demise of SAC, MAC and TAC.
Posted by Rob S at September 8, 2004 11:17 AM
Thunderhead wrote:
Didn't McPeak start the whole "Quality"/TQM thing in the Air Force? I spent so much time at "off sites" on "tiger teams" in those days I never got anything done.
I'm not kidding, there was a 12-step process to improve every damn thing we did. The slow-down was unreal.
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TQM invaded the government during the Clinton years. I don't know who invented it, but there's a special place in hell for him/her.
We may never fully recover from all the extra paperwork; methinks it would take a libertarian administration for three straight terms to get rid of that mess.
I remember complaining about "bathroom inequities" in our building many years ago (three stalls, two urinals, three sinks in each men's room; two stalls, two sinks in each women's room). What should have taken twenty minutes (to check the building plans as well as the employee male/female ratio) to make a decision took one process action team, two tiger teams, an agency-wide survey, and one testbed; all of which took more than three years, and the women's rooms still have long lines during peak periods.
May he/she burn in hell for eternity.
Posted by Lornkanaga at September 8, 2004 12:10 PM
McPeak - Ughhh.... I should send him a bill for all the uniform changes I made - take off all my stripes / nametags and put on aircrew style nameplates (ASNP). Take off ASNP and put it on 1/2 inch higher. Put on stripes w/ ASNP. And don't get me started on class A's.
While standing in line at the USAFA clothing sales store, got in a conversation with a retired L/C who served on McPeaks staff... Said on McPeak's last day, the entire staff stood in the hallway to watch him leave - and they all had on thier old class A's... Sure would like to know if that is true...
Posted by videopelli at September 8, 2004 12:47 PM
McPeak - Ughhh.... I should send him a bill for all the uniform changes I made - take off all my stripes / nametags and put on aircrew style nameplates (ASNP). Take off ASNP and put it on 1/2 inch higher. Put on stripes w/ ASNP. And don't get me started on class A's.
While standing in line at the USAFA clothing sales store, got in a conversation with a retired L/C who served on McPeaks staff... Said on McPeak's last day, the entire staff stood in the hallway to watch him leave - and they all had on thier old class A's... Sure would like to know if that is true...
Posted by videopelli at September 8, 2004 12:48 PM
Oh, I remember McPeak. In 1992, while tens of thousands of us were seeing our military careers come to an end due to the drawdown, he was busy redesigning the officer's dress uniform to look like airline pilots. Great set of priorities, General.
When I saw that he had endorsed Kerry, I just laughed. What an asshat!
Posted by Larry J at September 8, 2004 02:49 PM
Out-freaking-standing! Finally, that petulant gasbag is getting some of the right attention he so richly deserves. The most disliked CSAF in my 26 yrs in USAF (his CMSAF was an ineffectual lapdog,) one is hard-pressed to find anyone who served during his tenure who doesn't remember him as a jerk.
His classic bit about hating our old service dress uniform as "just an Army uniform dyed blue" all came during the post-Gulf War turmoil, the drawdowns, Clinton's gays in the military, etc. This guy's priorities always began and ended with himself.
Too bad that when American voters see McPeak's Kerry ads, they'll just assume the guy is some beloved old general. They might also forget that McPeak, along with Mikey Moore, endorsed Wes Clark in the primaries.
I'd be interested to know who retired Gen Ron Fogelman, McPeak's successor, is backing this election. If it's Bush, nothing would please USAF vets more than for the two of these guys to go at it!
Posted by geezer at September 8, 2004 04:31 PM
I made a mistake about who McPeak endorsed -- apparently it was Dean, not Clark. Why I can't separate the two in my mind, I just don't know...
Posted by geezer at September 8, 2004 04:55 PM
I made a trip with SecAF Donald Rice, a first-class individual. He was absolutely no BS. A friend of mine at the Pentagon told me a story which rang true knowing Rice. At a meeting, McPeak said something daft. Rice looked at him and said, "General, shut the **** up and just worry about your new uniforms."
I've been collecting info on Tony over at my site, as well. Haven't seen a single good comment, and his name has been the top search topic referral two months running.
Posted by Mike at September 8, 2004 05:42 PM
During that TQ era I had the pleasure of hearing the first Chief Master Sergeant of the Air Force(by then retired) Paul Airey speak on that "TQ" topic. He was not a fan, and he was not shy.
Another Air Force guy I heard a couple years back was General John Jumper - now COSAF. His quote, addressing a crowd while still ACC CC:
"We used to have a quality Air Force - but it was destroyed by a program called 'Quality Air Force'. What we need is a chew-ass Air Force."
Two of a kind.
Posted by Ol' Sarge at September 8, 2004 05:58 PM
I saw McPeak on the PBS Newshour after some instructor pilots and cadets had died in McPeak's airplanes he had bought for the Air Force Academy. They had been using single-engine Cessnas for years with no deaths and on a good budget, and cadets were showing up ready for pilot training, so the good general had to change that program fast! Anyway, he actually had the gall to say that the deaths had happened because they put transport pilots (he may have said C-141 pilots, which is what my husband was flying at the time) in the instructor slots instead of fighter pilots!!!!! We later met a guy whose best friend/best man at his wedding was one of the former C-141 pilots who died in that plane. What a prick.
Posted by amyc at September 8, 2004 11:53 PM
I do think that one Franks absolutely trumps one McPeak!
Posted by Drugstore Cowgirl at September 9, 2004 02:08 AM
I think you are all being a little hard on General McPeak. The McPeak years weren't all bad. With my new uniform, most airport concessionaires would automatically give me the airline pilot's discount. And I wasn't even a pilot.
Posted by JR in Anoka at September 9, 2004 08:10 AM
TQM in the Air Force was started by CINC MAC while McPeak was CINC PACAF. MAC really had a viable program and things were getting done in a positive climate. Then when McPreak became COS he embraced TQM as his own idea for the Air Force. TQM only works when leaders buy into the process from the top down. Now you can see why the Air Force was never successful at implementation. McPeak used it to validate his strange plans for the Air Force and never really used TQM as Demming ment it to be.
Gary "P" (for prick) tagged along with McPeak for at least four tours I know of and the enlisted force knew that "P" would know when McPeak was going to fart long before the general did. His nose was permanently affixed to McPeak's asshole. I can recall at least two DUIs for Gary that went unreported and were covered up by McPeak. Hey there might have been more I was only at Hickam for four years with this pair.
Posted by Rob S. at September 9, 2004 10:10 AM
TQM in the Air Force was started by CINC MAC while McPeak was CINC PACAF. MAC really had a viable program and things were getting done in a positive climate. Then when McPreak became COS he embraced TQM as his own idea for the Air Force. TQM only works when leaders buy into the process from the top down. Now you can see why the Air Force was never successful at implementation. McPeak used it to validate his strange plans for the Air Force and never really used TQM as Demming ment it to be.
Gary "P" (for prick) tagged along with McPeak for at least four tours I know of and the enlisted force knew that "P" would know when McPeak was going to fart long before the general did. His nose was permanently affixed to McPeak's asshole. I can recall at least two DUIs for Gary that went unreported and were covered up by McPeak. Hey there might have been more I was only at Hickam for four years with this pair.
Posted by Rob S. at September 9, 2004 10:11 AM
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