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This cartoon is pointing out that the people who are criticising Kerry were elsewhere: like in the latrine, or working as clerk-typists, or, like Bush, not in the War at all.
Posted by david at August 22, 2004 03:05 PM
Thanks for clearing that up Dave. Humor is always better after a careful explanation.
Posted by Thanks at August 22, 2004 03:11 PM
Also, Dave, you might not have realized the cartoon was created by applying ink to paper, though it's current version contains no ink or paper. Unless you print it out.
Please Dave, we eagerly await your keen insight on every post on this blog.
Posted by And at August 22, 2004 03:14 PM
Actually, Dave, at least two of the men criticizing Kerry were in a different 'elsewhere' - North Vietnamese prisoner of war camps. Over two hundred men who served on the same craft as Kerry - making him as much of a clerk typist as them - are questioning his truthfulness on Vietnam. You shoe also know, Dave, that most latrine diggers were infantrymen, you know the guys with rifles, out in the jungle finding Charlie's presents. And if you think clerk typists never saw action in Vietnam, you should not read about Hue or Khe San.
Dave, your knowledge about the men questioning Kerry, and about Vietnam in general, appears to be about as deep and broad as a puddle in Death Valley in July. So excuse me if I value your opinion on this matter slightly less than the dog crap on the bottom of my shoe.
Posted by Eric Sivula at August 22, 2004 04:06 PM
Don't you people know that John Kerry is the only one out of millions of veterans that fought?
No clerk typists ever died in mortar or rocket attacks. No mechanics ever sat in the bunkers on the wire. Certainly there was never once a cook that grabbed a rifle. Those things never occured. During Tet of '68 no normally rear-area Marines got formed up into provisional platoons and took some thirty percent KIA.
Only Swift Boat people lost limbs at Khe Sanh, no supply room types were hurt when the NVA artillery got the ammo dump. Cerainly those Air Force C-130 crews that landed under fire at Khe Sanh and puched ammo pallets off the ramps while still moving and then stopped, under fire while those non-existent casualties were loaded on board.
No nurses or lab techs ever were hurt in rear area hospitals. Battallion headquarters were never mortar magnets.
And most certainly, every enlistee or draftee had an absolute choice as to where he was sent and what MOS he was assigned. Everyone who didn't like his orders, actually suggestions, got to go home.
Posted by Peter at August 22, 2004 04:16 PM
I assume Pat Oliphant must not leave his house much. I mean, he's still got working hands and all. And folks who like to draw obscenely hateful and smug partisan ed cartoons really do need to stay where the general public can't get to them.
But I can't help having this fantasy. A locked room containing: Pat Oliphant; this cartoon blown up and plastered on the walls; a dozen or so middle-aged guys coin-flipping for dibs to show him a few little tricks they picked up as POWs; thousands of other vets lined up outside to get a shot at the dogmeat resulting.
Posted by Jumbo at August 22, 2004 04:47 PM
" Only Swift Boat people lost limbs at Khe Sanh"
...but only if they went to the John Kerry School of Map Reading.
(but I do get your point; and agree)
Posted by Jumbo at August 22, 2004 04:53 PM
Rather amazing that after all these years, despite what he says, nearly everyone around J. F*ing Kerry finds a reason to continually despise and denigrate virtually all veterans and most particularly combat veterans and POW's.
Ted Rall, Oliphant, Moqtada al Moore.
Really impressive people, with a really consistent message. This is 1971, instant replay.
Posted by recon at August 22, 2004 05:02 PM
Well I guess all this crap about Kerry has led me to conclude the next time I see a guy with a bronze star or a purple heart I will have to question whether or not he really deserved that medal. I guess the medals the army and navy hand out aren't worth much, according to the vets who were there.
Posted by natz at August 22, 2004 05:41 PM
Way to miss the point Natz. They mean a hell of a lot, which is why so many are pissed at anyone who would claim them falsely or disgrace them by throwing them away over a fence.
Posted by Ig-natz at August 22, 2004 07:24 PM
natz
you should amend your comment to the next time you see a guy with a bronze star or purple heart who keeps talking them up, pushing them in your face and inflating his exploits so you don't pay attention to his senate record of being weak on defense and intelligence. Another good rule of thumb would be to never trust the integrity of a "decorated" vet who lacks humility about his role in warfare.
Posted by swampfox at August 22, 2004 07:25 PM
natz
especially for a "decorated" vet who tossed medals or ribbons away, met with the enemy's diplomats while still in the active reserves, and made numerous statements that gave aid and comfort to the enemy and disparaged his band of brothers, even while some of them were being tortured by the enemy in prison camps.
Posted by swampfox at August 22, 2004 07:32 PM
You see, by going down the path you have chosen, every single person who claims to have served in the armed forces with honor will now be subject to similar scrutiny, fair or unfair, and anyone with an axe to grind against a particular individual will have a podium in the media.
Partisans like you like that smear game, but most of us in the middle despise it. Don't think your trumped up personal attacks on a candidate will give you an advantage with average folk. We see it for what it is: desparate attempts to change the subject away from the President's record.
Posted by natz at August 22, 2004 07:46 PM
But hey, even ignoring the law is okay, so long as it helps win, right? I thought so.
ROANOKE, Virginia (CNN) -- A volunteer adviser has quit President Bush's re-election campaign after appearing in a veterans group's television commercial blasting Democratic presidential nominee John Kerry's involvement in the Vietnam-era antiwar movement.
A Bush campaign statement said it did not know that retired Air Force Col. Ken Cordier had appeared in an ad by Swift Boat Veterans for Truth. The Kerry campaign has accused the group of illegally working with the Bush campaign.
As a so-called 527 group, Swift Boat Veterans for Truth is barred from coordinating efforts with an election campaign.
Posted by natz at August 22, 2004 08:02 PM
Wrong comment thread, Natz. The attack Cordier thread is here:
http://www.mudvillegazette.com/archives/001203.html
Posted by Gunther at August 22, 2004 08:21 PM
Cordier broke the law? Let's throw the bum in prison!!!!
In Vietnam!!!!
Posted by Dave Blalock at August 22, 2004 08:25 PM
Hmmm.
"natz"
That is really amusing. It's telling when Kerryites cannot refute the allegations but rather have to come up with really lame rhetorical tricks.
Frankly those cartoons really show the true inner feelings of the Democrats towards veterans. All this pro-military bullshit is exactly that. If Kerry wins in November, expect to see all that quickly repudiated.
And veterans, yet again, will get screwed by the Democrats.
Posted by ed at August 23, 2004 03:54 AM
sorry my nickname was given, can't change it.
Here ya go. See how you like it. I think Mr. Dole is a hero, but, if you wanna play in the mud, then there are those willing to play. Enjoy!
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"Today Bob Dole suggested that one or more of John Kerry's Purple Hearts may have been fraudulent in some way because they were for "superficial wounds."
Dole knows better.
In a 1988 campaign-trail autobiography, here's how Dole described the incident that earned him his first Purple Heart: "As we approached the enemy, there was a brief exchange of gunfire. I took a grenade in hand, pulled the pin, and tossed it in the direction of the farmhouse. It wasn't a very good pitch (remember, I was used to catching passes, not throwing them). In the darkness, the grenade must have struck a tree and bounced off. It exploded nearby, sending a sliver of metal into my leg--the sort of injury the Army patched up with Mercurochrome and a Purple Heart."---TalkingPointsMemo.com
Posted by natz at August 23, 2004 05:06 AM
Lot's of questions for those SBVFLiars. Since they put themselves in the public eye voluntarily, why don't they also send out all of their resumes so we all can get to know them "up close and personal." I wonder if they could stand the heat from the scutiny they deserve and should be subjected to. So far, several of they have turned out to be liars, out of their own mouths. What else will be found when they are subjected to intense scrutiny?
Where are all those affidavts the SBVFLiars say they have signed under oath? I have not found one posted on the Net in whole.
I get a laugh out of the name SBVFTruth, a self-made description. Only the gullible would believe a self-chosen name like that would convince people to believe the group is committed totruth seeking and telling. Those guys are so stupid and incompetent, they fit in just right with Herr Dunce, die Fuhrer. I thought all bright families in the US taught their children not to believe the claims of self-promoters. Hell, if you didn't learn it at home, and you were anyone but a anti-social kid, you would have learned it on the playground. Those SBVs guys just suck.
Another issue I have with the SBVFLiars is that Kerry did not say he saw the atrocities he talked about before the Senate committee in 1971. Having read the transcript recently, I understand him to say he heard those claims from other soldiers. He made it very clear he was not saying he had personal knowledge of those activites such as My Ly and Tiger Force and other such occurrances. Again, the claimed SBV officers and gentlemen and sailors are to a large extent lying. It is sad that the U.S. militay will have to endure blowback of these deceptions and outright lies of this group for generations to come. That must make real warriors pissed for SBVs using lies to degrade a hero and a outstanding officer and a gentleman and, BTW the next President of our United States of America, I am proud to say.
Posted by pete at August 23, 2004 07:03 AM
Every.single.blog.I.read.about.SwiftGate.on,has.ONE.guy.like.natz
Every one. You know, a guy who makes outrageous statements, intentionally trolls. And I DO wonder: Did they get assignments from Moby for blogs to clog? Did the MoveOn/George Soros smeinars give each attendee one blog to make an ass of himself at, just to interfere, to distract, to obstruct the free passing of new Kerry-in-Wonderland info as it comes in every few hours?
There is PLENTY of stuff going on in the blogosphere than engaging a smug little troll.
Posted by Jumbo at August 23, 2004 11:06 PM
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