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Posted by Paul at August 20, 2004 06:37 PM
Very informative. I'll send you a trackback in a few minutes.
Posted by bdfaith at August 20, 2004 08:52 PM
Maybe the president should say something like -where was I in 1971? Not in front of the congress slandering fellow vets.
Posted by Dittybopper at August 20, 2004 09:07 PM
Kerry has this coming to him. He has been flying his 4 months in Vietnam up the flag pole for the the last 35 years. I'm just AMAZED that his military service would be the major theme of his campaign. Then again, the dems also realize that they MUST appear tough on terror to win. They're in a tough spot. Kerry is just the wrong candidate at the wrong time.
Kerry should answer these accusations directly. His pathetic whining about a repub attack machine makes him look like a weenie. Its the typical dem strategy...refuse to answer criticisms and attack the integrity of the accusers. Well, either John Kerry or 250 swift boat veterans are lying. Take your pick. Kerry's refusal to release his records could end this one way or the other. My guess is a release will completely destroy Kerry.
If Kerry can't even handle the heat from 250 vets how can we trust him to stand up to the Islamofacsists? The liberals who controll Big Media may save him from this mess with partisan reporting and the withholding of information but, they won't be able to protect him on the international stage.
Kerry is a horrible candidate. Unlikeable, elitist, beholden to Old Europe. There is plenty not to like about the present administration and the dems, by nominating this self aggrandizing snob will fail to capitalize. Bush is definitely beatable, but not by Kerry.
Big Daddy T
Posted by Big Daddy T at August 20, 2004 09:12 PM
Within five minutes of seeing the ad on the website I put a stamped envelope with a $100 check for the swiftvets in the mailbox.
Posted by newshound at August 20, 2004 09:20 PM
Outstanding. Galanti, Cordier, Johnny "Splash" McCain -- those are the real heroes. Not Kerry, the perpetual opportunist.
Posted by Navy Davy at August 20, 2004 09:31 PM
Devastated by his own words!
It will be interesting to see how the NY Times and Washington Post try to do damage control for Kerry on this new ad.
Posted by Just Me at August 20, 2004 09:32 PM
Great post. I can't imagine what Kerry will say about this one...what is there to say?
Oh, yeah, how about "I'm sorry."?
Posted by Blackfive at August 20, 2004 10:33 PM
The United States Military Code of Conduct
Article IV
If I become a prisoner of war, I will keep faith with my fellow prisoners. I will give no information or take part in any action which might be harmful to my comrades. If I am senior, I will take command. If not, I will obey the lawful orders of those appointed over me and will back them up in every way.
Article V
When questioned, should I become a prisoner of war, I am required to give name, rank, service number, and date of birth. I will evade answering further questions to the utmost of my ability. I will make no oral or written statements disloyal to my country and its allies or harmful to their cause.
As an officer, Kerry would have had this drilled into his head. He makes a big deal of his work for missing POW's after the war.
But didn't have the honor to support POW's while they were actually being tortured.
Posted by James Durbin at August 20, 2004 10:45 PM
I have been to six sites looking for the new swift boat ad. Yours is the only site I found that was not hacked with irritating music so you could not hear the ad. I listened on your site- it is devestating.
BP
Posted by barbara pietrowski at August 20, 2004 11:05 PM
James, Sidney Schanberg is also taking issue with Kerry's POW work.
There's a Village Voice piece he's got out from several months ago that just disassembles Kerry. IIRC McCain doesn't come off too well either.
http://www.villagevoice.com/issues/0408/schanberg.php
Don't know if the illustration is still on the page, but it was H A R S H.
Posted by DrSteve at August 20, 2004 11:12 PM
Kerry wasn't saying that - he was saying that other people said that about the veterans. The lying swifties strike out again!
Posted by Notsofast at August 21, 2004 12:36 AM
Dr Steve,
Thank you for the referral to the Village Voice article. It is so out of character for that rag to print anything this truthful against any democrat that I was shocked, shocked to read it.
I have passed it on to a few of my friends who are always on the lookout for info like this.
Let us hope that this kind of info gets out to the general public so that we can insure that this POS never gets into the White House except by invitation. The idea of a Kennedy/Kerry presidency, which is what it would be, is just too horrible to comtemplate.
Posted by dick at August 21, 2004 01:12 AM
I remember Kerry surrounding himself with 'veterans' testifying to war crimes, many of those 'veterans' never spent a day wearing Uncle's suit. Others never served a tour in the Southeast Asian War Games, he reported their ravings as fact.
As each of my children went through school I'd have to deal with Mr. Kerry's slander again. That's bad enough, what about the children of the young men who came home in those shiny aluminum caskets? Who told them that Daddy wasn't a rapist? Who told them that Kerry deliberately lied while under oath? One of my sergeants was killed trying to get a batch of children out of the line of fire in some little ville I never knew the name of. According to Kerry that man was a murderer. His children would have been in their early teens in 1971. I wonder how they took that 'testimony'?
I don't need the Swiftee's ad to know that John Kerry is scum. I've lived for thirty-five years with the memory of a lot of fine young men who served with honor and dignity and never grew old. John Kerry may just as well gone to each of those 58,000 graves, called a press conference at each one and when the cameras got rolling, pissed on them.
I saw my first combat death in May of '65. There isn't a month that goes by when one of those still-young men doesn't visit me in my sleep. None of them would forgive me if I were to support that lying sack of shit. I owe them this.
Posted by Peter at August 21, 2004 01:36 AM
Peter,
This has been called the last battle of VN. I think the vets are going to even the score.
Posted by Hogrider at August 21, 2004 01:47 AM
when Kerry testified about atrocities and war crimes he was either lying or telling the truth. If he was telling the truth let him stand up and face the SwiftVets. If he was lying he is not only repsonsible for betraying his former comrades he may also be guilty of more.
Perhaps some college students heard or read his fraudulent testimony. Maybe they believed him. Maybe this chenged their opinion on the war. Maybe they felt it necessary to join in the anti-war protests. Maybe they attended Kent State. Maybe they never got the chance to graduate. Far fetched? Maybe. Impossible? I think not.
Kerry needs to answer for what he said. If the press tries to give him another pass we need to demand those answers.
Posted by ThomasD at August 21, 2004 01:50 AM
Were it anyone but Kerry at the head of the Democrats ticket, none of us would be involved. I am because I know that Kerry is a liar and a Communist tool. I served '61-'67 in the US Navy and did three West-Pac tours off the beach on a LPH. They did not revoke, and I have not recinded, the oath I took "... to protect and defend ... foreign and domestic ...".
Kerry is a domestic enemy.
As long as SwiftVets keeps going with the truth, I'll keep adding my paltry contributions to the pot, along with hundreds of other Vets who know the truth about Traitor John Kerry.
Posted by brityank at August 21, 2004 02:31 AM
What I find astonishing is that Kerry clearly wasn't prepared for this. What's wrong with the man?
Even if he'd managed to convince himself that his medals were untouchable, Kerry had to know that his Kambodia Kaper lie might come out, yet it's obvious from the floundering nature of the response that neither the Kandidate nor anyone in his Kampaign had given it a moment's thought.
And surely--I mean, surely--either Kerry or someone in the Kampaign had to expect that the VVAW and Winter Soldier stuff would become an issue. But it's equally clear that they never planned for this either. I mean, sending in the lawyers, then pressuring the publisher of the book, then filing an FEC complaint? Geez. That just guarantees more publicity for the charges and makes Kerry look like a whining wimp--again.
It also makes it look like he can't answer the charges, so he has to try to suppress them.
I'll admit that I was wary of the Swift Vets. Even if their charges were true, I figured they'd be unprovable, and the media would spin the whole thing to look bad for Bush.
Now I think I was wrong. Kerry is very frightened, that much is obvious. Is he simply afraid that the Cambodia thing or the accusations over Winter Soldier will continue to gain traction? As I said, Kerry's actions will probably help gain publicity for the charges.
So does Kerry know that something else is coming, and is that what he's trying so desperately to suppress?
Posted by ScottM at August 21, 2004 02:45 AM
Kerry is the one that placed so much stock in his military service that it should overshadow his nearly 20 years of *ahem* "service" in the Senate. He is the one that shined the spotlight on that service and in that light we now see the rats in the corners. The rats that are trying to scamper away from the light are of his own rearing. He fed and nurtured them with his documented hatred of the military, of men he served with n Vietnam. Now the big cats in the neighborhood are just going after those rats.
Kerry is stupid if he expected less.
Posted by Bonfire7 at August 21, 2004 02:56 AM
The story above about McCain and Kerry's handling of the POW issue was the real motivation for the negative ads run against McCain in the 2000 campaign. Many vets felt they swept the issue under the rug to speed normalization with V.
Larry
Posted by larry o. at August 21, 2004 03:49 AM
swift boats vet are a bunch of bitter old vet that need to get a life.they are doing so to be on tv
Posted by sandra brown at August 21, 2004 04:25 AM
Kerry wasn't saying that - he was saying that other people said that about the veterans. The lying swifties strike out again!
Umm, No. If you REPEAT slanderous allegations in public, you're on the hook.
Kerry was/is an opportunist.
When it was politically to his advantage to slander his fellow sailors and soldiers as war criminals, he did it.
When it was politically to his advantage to stand up on that stage, and salute us with his "band of brothers", he did it.
The man is all things to all people. He has no core, he has no code. He is not worthy of leading the free world.
Posted by Navy Davy at August 21, 2004 05:05 AM
The Swift Boat Veterans tried to warn the Democrats not to nominate Kerry, but they were ignored.
I told all of my Democratic friends not to vote for him in the primaries or they would regret it.
They should have nominated Howard Dean. He was very consistent in his positions and represented what most Democrats really feel.
Instead, they've got a nominee who's taken both sides of nearly every major issue in this campaign, and who alienated millions of Veterans with his slanderous allegations that turned the country against them.
And just wait until people see the picture of Kerry that hangs in the Ho Chi Minh museum for his role in helping them win the war.
So a man regarded by the North Vietnamese as a war hero for their side is the Democratic nominee for the presidency of the United States. It's just staggering.
Posted by allyK at August 21, 2004 05:16 AM
sandra brown,
Here is one old vet (Tonkin Bay Yacht Club - '66) who has a life.
And for the time being it is devoted to destroying Johnny the K. Seems to be working. ;-)
A LOT of us OFs are really enjoying this. I got the Doors on, my incense is burning, I got a Heinikins in my hand and Double strength Navy coffee in my Navy Cup (my First Mate bought it for me). Life is very good.
Kerry was either
1. A communist dupe
2. A communist agent
In the course of this campaign it is all going to come out. I hear the new ad has attracted over 1/2 million to the swifties campaign in only a day! The little people are out there and we will be heard. And because it is the truth our voice will be louder in a whisper than George Soros can generate with a $25 million megaphone. How is that for operating in a target rich environment?
INCOMING
Do you know how John Kerry got a piece of shrapnel buried in his leg?
You don't?
That is all right. Neither does John.
What is the War Hero Afraid of?
Form 180. Release ALL the records.
And for the French among you now is the time: sauve qui peut
Posted by M. Simon at August 21, 2004 07:17 AM
M Simon sez:
"A LOT of us OFs are really enjoying this. I got the Doors on, my incense is burning, I got a Heinikins in my hand and Double strength Navy coffee in my Navy Cup (my First Mate bought it for me). Life is very good."
I all I can say is "hahahaha!" Time to go over and donate more money to the Swiftee's. Bravo Zulu guys! You got J F'in K on the run..keep it up. :)
Posted by Bucky Katt at August 21, 2004 02:36 PM
Thank you for keeping us abreast of these events.
I hope the the truth becomes household knowledge soon.
Patti
Posted by Patti Patton-Bader at August 21, 2004 04:14 PM
M Simon, Thank you for your service and thanks to any others here who served as well.
Sandra Brown, you sound like a bitter crank who is realizing that her "golden boy" is just a brick that was rattled-canned with gold paint that is starting to flake off.
Posted by Bonfire7 at August 21, 2004 04:21 PM
Sandra Brown is sure to reject my testimony because of my chosen nicknonymity, but I first met M Simon over 20 years ago and he already had a life then. I've met his First Mate, and his oldest son as an infant, and I've socialized with him outside of the contexts of mutual friends and computer geekery which brought us together. I saw no sign of bitterness in him; not over the war and not over run of the mill slings and arrows.
Posted by triticale at August 21, 2004 04:52 PM
To Ms. Brown: No, they are not "bitter old vets" - these are men who, unlike you, were called up and faced a damn difficult decision: to go where their country told them to go and muck in the mud, or run away and hide. They gave up their lives at home (such as where you are comfortably sitting right this minute) and went off and did a really dirty job, whether they agreed with it or not. Unlike you, some of them rotted in a stink-hole prison for YEARS. The Vietnam era was a terrible time in our country for all of us. Kerry was a world class fool to bring this all up again - there isn't a person alive, man or woman, who lived during those years who wasn't touched in some way by that war. Kerry embodies EVERYTHING ugly about the radical lefties and none of what can be good about the Democratic party. He is a disgrace and it is wonderful that ordinary US citizens such as the SwiftBoat vets have the internet as a forum to speak because the mainstream press would never have given them this opportunity. I applaud each and every one of these vets because I, as a woman, worked with the USO at Ft. Lewis, Washington in those days and wonder still how many of the young men I met never came back. Way to go men! We women are proud of you!
Posted by Goodlife at August 21, 2004 10:13 PM
The amazing thing is the Veterans ads are working. I just read that 33 percent of Americans saw the ads and that about 50 percent know about the ads.
Kerry has lost a lot of support amongst the Veterans, the same poll showed.
Keep up the good work. Keep those ads coming, keep donating.
Posted by Tedson at August 21, 2004 11:27 PM
related cartoon here
Posted by CERDIP at August 22, 2004 03:05 AM
Bitter old vets, huh? You ain't _seen_ bitter yet. This is just raw disgust for a poseur moving toward bitter. As an Era vet (USAF 65-66) who never got within 1000 miles of action, and who was invalided out and then entered college, I had friends and acquiantances who volunteered to go and did their duty, others who didn't want to go but did an did their duty, some wounded, some with amputations, some died. John Kerry came back and spit all over them. Some of his spittle contaminated every one of us as vets, whether we had been in-country or not. Just for doing our duty as we variously saw it. John Kerry didn't know all of us. Didn't know any of our stories. Built his reputation on us.
Bitter? Can't imagine why. (And probably neither can Mr. Phony Bring-It-On Kerry.)
Posted by JorgXMcKie at August 22, 2004 04:43 AM
sandra brown: swift boats vet are a bunch of bitter old vet that need to get a life.they are doing so to be on tv
Liberals who falsely accuse our Vietnam veterans of atrocities are traitors who need to be exposed. They're on TV everyday peddling their trash.
Posted by Zhang Fei at August 22, 2004 05:26 AM
notsofast: Kerry wasn't saying that - he was saying that other people said that about the veterans. The lying swifties strike out again!
He was doing his invisible voice act - attributing to unnamed people accusations he was making up. If he wants to clear this up, he could name the people who said these things, so we can verify the truth of what he said by talking to those people. People, especially presidential candidates, have to be responsible for what they say, especially when they are making serious allegations about an entire cohort of people - the troops who fought in Vietnam. The Swift vets are standing by what they said about Kerry - it's time that Kerry stood by what he said about the Vietnam vets - we need names and places for the atrocity stories Kerry was peddling.
Posted by Zhang Fei at August 22, 2004 05:42 AM
Yes, I like that best "no core, no code" and might I add no honor is the best description of the former and bitter vet JOHN "waffle" KERRY.
Posted by John Johnson at August 22, 2004 05:34 PM
So now we know about at least two storys that Kerry has had to backtrack on. The Cambodia incursion at Xmas time in 1968 has been proven to be a lie even though it was "seared" in him. Now we are about to hear that it was actually in Jan or Feb of 69. He will still claim that he took CIA agents, Green Berets and navy seals in that country, even though his commanding officer has denied that there were any orders to do that, in fact it would have been a courts marshal offense to do it. I guess we will have to believe that the President secretly ordered him to do it. And kind of like the old series Mission Impossible he would have been told that if he was caught or captured , the president would disawow any knowlege of his actions. Sounds plausable to me...........
Posted by Checkmate777 at August 23, 2004 12:31 AM
Another very interesting item that has come to mind is the latest Kerry ad featuring Jim Rasmussen. He states that he was knocked overboard from Kerrys boat by the force of the explosion when a boat hits a mine. What he is doing here is trying to get you to come to the conclusion that it was Kerrys boat that was hit. We all know that it was another boat that hit the mine and that from the position of Kerry boat they were not in close proximity to the other boat. My thought on this is that Rasmussen was dumped into the water by Kerry leaving the scene when the mine went off and this is just another clever way to give Kerry cover for leaving the scene. If one remembers back to the convention Kerry and company stated tht he was the only boat to stay while the others fled. Now they admit that Kerry is the only one to flee. The stories keep changing on Kerrys side and this is a dead giveaway as to who is lying. I have just started to read the Swifties book and what little I have read so far, it is already a good reason for Kerry to try to keep the public from seeing this book.
Posted by Checkmate777 at August 23, 2004 12:53 AM
Another very interesting item that has come to mind is the latest Kerry ad featuring Jim Rasmussen. He states that he was knocked overboard from Kerrys boat by the force of the explosion when a boat hits a mine. What he is doing here is trying to get you to come to the conclusion that it was Kerrys boat that was hit. We all know that it was another boat that hit the mine and that from the position of Kerry boat they were not in close proximity to the other boat. My thought on this is that Rasmussen was dumped into the water by Kerry leaving the scene when the mine went off and this is just another clever way to give Kerry cover for leaving the scene. If one remembers back to the convention Kerry and company stated tht he was the only boat to stay while the others fled. Now they admit that Kerry is the only one to flee. The stories keep changing on Kerrys side and this is a dead giveaway as to who is lying. I have just started to read the Swifties book and what little I have read so far, it is already a good reason for Kerry to try to keep the public from seeing this book.
Posted by Checkmate777 at August 23, 2004 12:53 AM
Another very interesting item that has come to mind is the latest Kerry ad featuring Jim Rasmussen. He states that he was knocked overboard from Kerrys boat by the force of the explosion when a boat hits a mine. What he is doing here is trying to get you to come to the conclusion that it was Kerrys boat that was hit. We all know that it was another boat that hit the mine and that from the position of Kerry boat they were not in close proximity to the other boat. My thought on this is that Rasmussen was dumped into the water by Kerry leaving the scene when the mine went off and this is just another clever way to give Kerry cover for leaving the scene. If one remembers back to the convention Kerry and company stated tht he was the only boat to stay while the others fled. Now they admit that Kerry is the only one to flee. The stories keep changing on Kerrys side and this is a dead giveaway as to who is lying. I have just started to read the Swifties book and what little I have read so far, it is already a good reason for Kerry to try to keep the public from seeing this book.
Posted by Checkmate777 at August 23, 2004 12:56 AM
Kerry has more than one book that he doesn't want people to see. One of which is "The New Soldier". Kerry was one of the authors, indeed he's the lead author listed on the cover. You can get it on eBay if you're willing to pay $400-500 (atleast) for a copy. More for autographed copies, of course. Go look at the pictures of the book. There's always one or two on eBay.
It's strange that most Presidential candidates who have written books have them reprinted when they run. Kerry has suppressed his book for years. What's up with that?
I was in the Navy from 67-73 and was never near Viet Nam. Some of the guys I served with had been there though. Corpsmen, brown water Navy and offshore gunfire support ships. They never bragged about it. They never threw away their decorations nor rode them to political advantage. Kerry has done all these things.
I once saw a line about him throwing his decorations over the White House fence only to have them land on his Senate office wall a few years later. It pretty much sums him up. This is someone who tries to have it both ways. It's time to put a stop to this crap.
Posted by StinKerr at August 23, 2004 01:38 AM
Well, one thing for sure about Kerry - Pvt. Ryan he aint!
Posted by Doug at August 23, 2004 04:13 PM
I'm guessing that at least some of the posters do not have a good sense of the Vietnam War--both here and over there--and thus lack a historical perspective that would explain why veterans of that war are incensed over the apparent falsities--and known slanders--committed by Mr. Kerry.
I refer these people to several items. 1) Hearts & Minds, a documentary that, in retrospect, is akin to Michael Moore's fevered efforts. An example of how the folks back home were fed a view of the war that turned out to be as fanciful as Mr. Kerry's testimony. 2) We Were Soldier Once--And Young. The book is a descriptive and thorough telling of the Ia Drang battle, and provides as sharp a description of war--and the young men who enlisted or were drafted to fight it--as one could hope for. Mel Gibsons movie captures some of the intensity--and as Hal Moore states in the DVD, finally captures the war as it was fought (at least in 1965).
Put these items together and one can get a better perspective on why a Vietnam veteran may resent someone who may have falsified or greatly exaggerated the circumstances leading to his medals and then denigrated the war that provided the opportunities to attain them--at least till now. And perhaps one can then ask how a man, in 4.5 months, can attain more medals and in a faster time period than Audie Murphy, the most decorated U.S. soldier of WWII?
Credibility is required of the Commander-In-Chief, wouldn't you say?
Posted by John Furutani at August 23, 2004 09:01 PM
Great site. And God Bless the Swift Boat Veterens for Truth. Can't wait to get my copy of "unfit for command"
Posted by Mike at August 25, 2004 10:33 AM
I hear people question John Kerry's credibility and I wonder, how many veterans out there have incomplete military records like out president's? I always thought the military kept pretty good records. How many people cannot recall what they were doing for months at time while on duty with the National Guard? What exactly does it mean when George W. Bush refuses to answer questions about his use of Cocaine based on principle? What principle is that anyway? Talk about trying to have it both ways.
If you are going to pick on Kerry for what he did or did not do while in Vietnam, look at the guy who he is running against. He wasn't even there and his father made sure of it.
I realize that many people already have their minds made up, but come on, if you are going to take a critical view of Kerry, you must apply the same eye to the President.
Posted by Justin at August 27, 2004 01:26 PM
I'm a 100% disabled Army Vet from the Vietnam era, but obtained my injury in an accident due to faulty equipment in Germany.
My best friend is a two-tour Special Forces "A-team" Vet who served in Vietnam, Cambodia, and Laos. He fought alonside the Montanyards who were friendly with the Americans.
My brother was a one-tour Army draftee at Pleiku and Ben Het in the central highlands of Vietnam on a mobile 105 howitzer.
I answered a want ad yesterday for some used furniture and met a Marine who served two tours in
Vietnam in a "recon" unit.
All four of us hate John (Hanoi) Kerry
This totals 3 Vietnam Vets all with heavy combat experience, and one Vietnam era Vet who all feel that John Kerry violated his country and demoralized fellow Soldiers and Vets during his anti-war days. The credibility of his medals is certainly in question, but could be resolved with his signature on form 180. You can bet he has personal/political reasons for not signing that form. This particular form would show where he was during the reciept of the medals, as well as the nature of his injuries for the three Purple Hearts.
All of us are very appreciative of the courage of the Swift Boat Vets who's efforts have left Kerry in a state of total confusion with only two months before election.
There are about 26 million Vets still alive in this country and more to come. A dishonest, and possibly a traitor is not a person who any of us feel is qualified to be Commander in Chief.
Posted by Brian at August 30, 2004 09:24 PM
Thanks everyone for enlightening me on this man who got a splinter in his whatever..somebody needs to pull the plank out of his butt and paint a yellow stripe down his back....I was a kid in elementary school when Galanti was released, I can't tell you the feeling I had when he spoke at my elementary school at that time. My cousin served in the army (special forces) got his head all messed up and doesn't get a dime of disability, my dad fought in Korea (Army Indian Head Division)had the bones blown out of his arm and lost the majority of use in it, suffered nightmares from sleeping endless nights in foxholes and only drew 40% disability KERRY GOT A SPLINTER....AND THEY WANT TO MAKE HIM PRESIDENT! IT MAKES ME WANT TO PUKE!!! COME ON PEOPLE WAKE UP.
Posted by Kim at August 31, 2004 02:37 AM
HEY AND BY THE WAY THANKS TO ALL THE VETERANS WHO TRULY AND BRAVELY SERVED OUR COUNTRY...IT IS A DEED THAT CAN TRULY NEVER BE REPAID..THANKS FOR DEFENDING OUR FREEDOM AND THE FREEDOM OF OTHERS NO MATTER WHAT WAR YOU FOUGHT IN!
Posted by Kim at August 31, 2004 02:45 AM
Not one person who signed the swift vote veterans against Kerry served on his boat. Not one. All but one of Kerry's crew members back him. The only reason this is even an issue is because the republicans do not have one issue to run on for themselves. Not education, not the environment, not health care, not social security, not national safety, or the war in Iraq or the war on terrorism. Why are there more cops and soldiers in NYC today than in Afganistan? Keep on talking about Vietnam people. Keep drinking the elixer. Judging from what you guys are writing, when W is re-elected, we will be getting just what we deserve
Posted by John McCormick at August 31, 2004 10:44 PM
John - timely comment. Thanks, three weeks ago a few people were still clinging to that "not on same boat" bit.
One was on the same boat, the others were his peers, doctor, etc.
Mlitary people understand this on a very deep level. And civilians know what "served together" means.
Kerry is scum - and is despised by vets of all generations. Unfit for anything other than Democrat candidate for President - a job he bought with his wifes cash.
That his old comrades torpedoed him for 150k must truly be killing his lord and master, George Soros.
If you hate Bush, vote Nader, but don't piss on the graves of the fallen from Vietnam.
Posted by Ol' Sarge at August 31, 2004 11:26 PM
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