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I would say that one of Kerry's most attractive qualities is his indecision. Since almost every decision he HAS made has been a disaster for the United States, the fewer decisions he makes the better.
Posted by Walter Wallis at March 9, 2004 03:29 AM
What is the use of "full disclosure and full vetting of the intelligence to" someone who has no intelligence? Kerry was in the intelligence committee when he voted to authorize the use of force.
Posted by ic at March 9, 2004 06:53 AM
Greyhawk.
I asked for Kerry's position which you are doing, but in a funny way, all negative implications if not distortions. This is not what I would consider fair discussion, but hey it is your Blog. Why don't you do liar Bush the same way? I take it you are interested in the nation first and foremost. So why not portray Bush as the lying and stealing son-of a-bitch he is. Why would anyone who doesn't get material benefits want him as president again. He has had his shot and he has failed. No dishonor in that failure, but there is great and lasting dishonor to send American girls and boys to get killed and maimed for his falsehoods.
Posted by pete at March 10, 2004 05:24 AM
Funny? Kerry's be taken seriously? I know - he's a threat to national security, and that's not funny.
What lies Pete? Please do tell. Your vague accusations pretty much define you as a Bush Hater. (Yawn) Give us something to work with.
And who are these girls and boys? Are you impugning the dignity of military men and women - heroes all? Careful here Pete...
Posted by Dennis Ahern at March 10, 2004 06:32 AM
Pete's right! You sunsabitches stop using direct Kerry quotes and his voting record! Its distorted and it ain't right! He's nuanced!
Posted by Dennis Ahern's evil Twin at March 10, 2004 06:35 AM
kerry 18 years of marriage, two children, has the marriage has the church enter a annulment. what did he do to his children?
Posted by defcon 1 at March 10, 2004 03:02 PM
Seriously, Dennis I would not intentionally degrade our military men and women. My reference to boys and girls was to convey my thoughts about the youthfulness of many of our fighters in Iraq which could not be done with the words men and women.
Lies and liars. Let's take this step by step.
10/7/07 Chief liar said, "Facing clear evidence of peril, we cannot wait for the final evidence - the smoking gun - that could come in the form of a mushroom cloud." And "If we know Saddam Hussein has dangerous weapons today - AND WE DO - ..." (caps mine).
3/6/03 Bush stated, "He (Saddam Hussein) possesses weapons of terror." And he said "Saddam Hussein and his weapons are a direct threat to this country, to our people, and to all free people."
3/17/03 Bush told the country, "Intelligence gathered by this and other governments leaves no doubts that the Iraq regime continues to POSSESS and conceal some of the most lethal weapons ever devised." (caps mine).
5/3/03 Bush says, "Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction."
5/30/03 Bush says on Polish TV, "We found weapons of mass destruction. We found biological laboratories... and we will find more weapons as time goes on. But for those who say we haven't found the banned manufacturing devices or banned weapons, we found them"
In my way of thinking Bush lied about WMDs and Saddam. But for those who want to continue to believe in Bush and consider these kind of statements are a mistake in intelligence (not taking responsibility as the Commander in Chief in my eyes) or not lies at all, consider that based on this type of thinking and rhetoric Bush has send 550 women and men to their deaths and it isn't over yet. Either Bush is culpable or he is stupid, either way he shouldn't be re-elected as President.
Posted by pete at March 10, 2004 03:20 PM
You know Pete, the faux concern that all the ANTI-BUSH people show for our beloved lost soldiers in Iraq just makes me tired. How many soldiers have we lost in Afghanistan? Do you know? I bet not. I bet it is of no concern to you because you can't use them as a prop in your ANTI-BUSH crusade. You know as well as anyone else with a brain that the consensus of American intelligence and policy (as well as the UN and foriegn governments) going back the past 12 years was that these weopons did exist. If Bush is culpable or imbecilic then so are Clinton, Kerry, Albright and me. I did not need to be fooled by that "liar" Bush to believe that Saddam had these weopons. I believed it from everything I had heard for 12 years. I wanted, as did a majority of people in this country, for Saddam to be eliminated so that the Iraqi people could be free and we could determine what the WMD status in Iraq was after all. We owed a huge karmic debt to the people of Iraq for being pussy multilaterists in 1991. Both America and Iraq have lost beautiful people. 25 million are freed from one of the most brutal dictatorships of all time. Quit spitting on their graves in an effort to spit on President Bush.
Posted by wen at March 10, 2004 04:59 PM
Pete, you are a coward and a fool. President Bush has not lied once. Not one single time. Ever. I would lay down my life on his word because he, unlike you, is a true American. It sickens me that weakling cowards such as yourself are allowed to live so well while being so ignorant and unintelligent, because real men and women fight for you. You should be eternally ashamed of yourself.
Posted by Jim at March 12, 2004 05:34 AM
Jim, let me reply to you first. Actually I think you should relax and take it easy a bit. Get a grip. It is in the public record Bush has lied on many, many occasions.If you choose to ignore facts what more can I say to a.... Now, would you like to come visit me and say those other things to my face?
Wen. I support US fighting the Taliban and al Qaida. We and our allies are doing a pretty good job there. You are right I don't know the American death count as it is not in the news often. However, I grieve the deaths and injuries of our soldiers and all the innocents there.
I too heard the stuff over the last 12 years and thought it was probably true too. But there comes a time when we all have to use our own judgment and not believe everything that our government tells us.(From e3xperience I know that some US government employees and officials will cheat, lie and steal and more importantly some will use their power in government for personal advantage or ego or for evil purposes, like starting wars that are illegal, unnecessary or ill-advised.What got me to oppose going into Iraq this time was that Saddam was not verbally or overtly threatening us and he had done nothing for 10-12 years along that line and we had surveillance over Iraq by jets and satellites for those years. I got suspicious when there was this massive rush to war, ignoring allies and others, essentially going it alone, WHEN WE COULD HAVE WAITED FOR THE OUTCOME OF THE UN INSPECTIONS. Funny thing tho, the UN inspectors wouldn't have found a thing. We had that bastard Saddam surrounded and bottled up. What the fuck was the hurry? Looking at much of this after the fact, it seems there was a reason to invade Iraq other than freeing the Iraqis (that is about the 10th best excuse to invade). What about the neocons and the militaristic plans for continuing invasions and continual war. Christ,is that what you want? Vote for Bush then. I don't see a George Custer arrogant type as President. That George was done in by his own stupidity and yes, his arrogance. Why let this George take the American people into more slaughter that does not have to be. He has shown himself to be bad guy and/or incompetent. Take a look at what retired lieutenant colonel Karen Kwiatkowski has written about the war mongering and internal Pentagon machinations of the Bush's civilian appointees to DOD and the neocons. Frightening.Check out truthout.com for great stuff this issue. No, I don't have good words or thoughts for Bush. Let's vote him out.
Posted by pete at March 12, 2004 04:21 PM
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