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The current #1 hero of the American Left is in custody. (Awaiting DNA results.)
Suppose if he says he had no WMD the Lefties will believe it?
And get ready, for the next time a US Soldier dies over there a media storm of "we've lost the war" coverage will exceed all previous attempts. It will "prove" that all Iraqis hate us, not just Saddam.
The celebration in Mudville begins soon.
1156 UTC Update: Intrepid CNN reporter Jane Araf just said that since the average Iraqi doesn't have electricity or water the capture of Saddam won't mean that much to them.
1229 UTC Update from Reuters via MSNBC: (This posted during the press conference officially announcing the capture):
LONDON - The capture of ousted Iraqi President Saddam Hussein in his hometown of Tikrit is a major coup for the U.S., but will not necessarily bring an end to the unrest in Iraq, analysts say.
1305 UTC update: I'll be first to admit when I'm in the wrong. Oliver Willis is the first left-leaning blogger to chime in, and can hardly contain his enthusiasm:
"400 soldiers for one man. Nice exchange, pal. And yes, please do find Osama."
And DU is practically exploding with cheer today: "an illegal war...an illegal occupation. Bush should be tried before Saddam."
Atrios: "Saddam was a bad guy, but it isn't clear he's any worse of a guy than some of the folks who are a part of our "Coalition of the Willing," so this pretense of moral clarity, etc... is ridiculous... Saddam wasn't a threat to us."
NY Times in the sixth sentence in the story on the capture: "Some senior Bush administration officials have suspected that Mr. Hussein was still alive and inspiring, if not leading, the guerrilla-style insurgency that has left more than 190 American soldiers dead since President Bush declared an end to major combat operations on May. 1."
Glenn reports a palpable sense of disappointment from the media. He includes this e-mail from a Major Sean Bannion in Baghdad:
Being no friend of the media I can confirm what some of your readers have already told you when they say "you can hear the dejection in their voices" from the media.
In the case of the CPA press conference you could see the disappointment on their faces and in their mien even if they asked a reasonable question. They were at least polite enough not to openly pooh-pooh Ambassador Bremer, LTG Sanchez and Dr. Pachachi.
But you can REALLY get a sense of the media's tone when you read Reuters' cutline from the photo of a captured Saddam:
"A photo of Saddam Hussein after his capture is shown during a press conference in Baghdad, December 14, 2003. U.S. troops captured Saddam Hussein near his home town of Tikrit announced U.S. administrator in Iraq Paul Bremer on Sunday, in a major coup for Washington's beleaguered occupation force in Iraq. Photo by Reuters"
I'm actually HERE and I don't consider ANY of us "beleaguered.
There's lots more on Instapundit (of course).
And here's the text of the press conference from Baghdad, including interpretation of the Iraqi portions.
The success of yesterday's mission is a tribute to our men and women now serving in Iraq. The operation was based on the superb work of intelligence analysts who found the dictator's footprints in a vast country. The operation was carried out with skill and precision by a brave fighting force. Our servicemen and women and our coalition allies have faced many dangers in the hunt for members of the fallen regime, and in their effort to bring hope and freedom to the Iraqi people. Their work continues, and so do the risks. Today, on behalf of the nation, I thank the members of our Armed Forces and I congratulate them.
I also have a message for all Americans: The capture of Saddam Hussein does not mean the end of violence in Iraq. We still face terrorists who would rather go on killing the innocent than accept the rise of liberty in the heart of the Middle East. Such men are a direct threat to the American people, and they will be defeated.
We've come to this moment through patience and resolve and focused action. And that is our strategy moving forward. The war on terror is a different kind of war, waged capture by capture, cell by cell, and victory by victory. Our security is assured by our perseverance and by our sure belief in the success of liberty. And the United States of America will not relent until this war is won.
May God bless the people of Iraq, and may God bless America. Thank you.
*sigh* that's a fricking assinine comment about the "Lefties"... and no, i am not a democrat. let it go, guy. let it go. saddam's captured. happiness. not bitterness.Posted by erin at December 14, 2003 06:56 AM
Yea Greyhawk, Mumia is the #1 hero of the Left.Posted by Dan Searles at December 14, 2003 07:17 AM
Sorry if I wasn't clear, my happiness knows no bounds.I meant only to predict a response from the left, which has already been borne out. Their consternation just adds to my sense of joy.Posted by Greyhawk at December 14, 2003 07:50 AM
That's funny, I predicted your response in my comments on pandagon's site. And you really did misrepresent Oliver's post, didn't you?Posted by sym at December 14, 2003 08:34 AM
The left's spin is utterly disgusting (600 soldiers that have lost comrades to this bastard capture him without a shot - and you try to spin THAT)...and will be their undoing.Posted by Blackfive at December 14, 2003 09:05 AM
Sym: Need a link please. I don't know Pandagon.Posted by Greyhawk at December 14, 2003 09:08 AM
I claimed right-wing bloggers would take this opportunity to claim the left secretly loves Saddam. And then you did.
Time to bust out the Romeo & Julietas!!!!!Posted by Val Prieto at December 14, 2003 09:29 AM
I don't think you left so much secretly loves Saddam as much as they secretly loved the fact that he wasn't found yet. The left hates this administration so much, they actually cheer when it fails, regardless of the costs.Posted by Geoffrey at December 14, 2003 09:30 AM
oh. as opposed to when the right rants and howls when a democrat (namely bill clinton) even sneezes the wrong way... let it go. right? left? get in the damned middle where the people without the closed minds are.Posted by erin at December 14, 2003 09:49 AM
"Secret?" I never used the term. And as I asked at Olivers, how did I "misrepresent" a verbatim post with a trackback link?
Clinton broke the law. He lied to a federal judge and a federal grand jury. He was disbarred for it in AK and DC. He was fined by the court for perjury. Oh! But the left says it is ok to rape women when ever you like. In this way they are very much like the Islamicists who say if a women reports being raped then she must be stoned to death... Nice lefty... down boy. Sit.Posted by Bruce at December 14, 2003 10:26 AM
bush was a cokehead - but i don't go on and on bitching about it.Posted by erin at December 14, 2003 10:45 AM
anyway. i am a fan of dubya. i was a fan of clinton. both had great qualities. it's about what works for the country - not choosing some derelict purely based on the fact that he/she is from your party. or in an ideal world, people would open their minds and realize this.
i am happy about this news. and i think the right/left/north/south bickering should cease.Posted by erin at December 14, 2003 11:00 AM
Erin, apparently you do.Posted by behooved at December 14, 2003 11:02 AM
do go on about Bush using coke, that isPosted by behooved at December 14, 2003 11:04 AM
no. i posted once about it. i am not going to beat the dead horse into the ground on this day. i think it's poor form for any bashing (right or left) to be happening so soon after the good news.Posted by erin at December 14, 2003 11:10 AM
"Clinton broke the law. He lied to a federal judge and a federal grand jury. He was disbarred for it in AK and DC. He was fined by the court for perjury. Oh! But the left says it is ok to rape women when ever you like."
Huh? That's one hell of a jump - from facts easily confirmed to innuendo based on fantasies.
You just can't get past the fact that Clinton was popular (he won two presidential elections with a majority of the electorate) and that all of the hatred was based on lies built on lies and not facts.Posted by Al Hedstrom at December 14, 2003 11:45 AM
man, that "lefty hero" bull is so tired and sorry it's like listening to "righty" play that same skreeching song on the violin because it's the only one he knows. get the feeling he doesn't really give a crap about home and country, just being "right" ... that's where the real fun is, huh?? and hyperbole to boot ... yer boys put Saddam into power and gave him the weapons to kill all those folks--if he's anybody's lovefest, he's yours, and your messy divorce too. how gouche. whatever did your boys see in him, anyway??? oh yeah, all that sexy oil, sorry, forgot.Posted by ellen at December 14, 2003 12:20 PM
Oliver claims that this is Clinton's military.
But he's a thick-headed liberal who loves clinton and probably fantasizes him of ruining our economy again.Posted by ViriiK at December 14, 2003 12:35 PM
Why can't liberals understand that lying under oath is illegal? Is it that hard of a concept to grasp?
I'd like to see someone post evidence of Bush's coke addiction. Not OpEds. Evidence. I've asked for the same on my blog, but no one has found any as of yet. Liberals prefer to whine, cry, and stomp their feet. They don't care that there are no facts to back their claims.Posted by Geoffrey at December 14, 2003 12:40 PM
I'm with you erin! Lets all join hands in the center! As a show of our togetherness we'll all not vote next year!Posted by I'm with erin! at December 14, 2003 01:29 PM
I don't think you left so much secretly loves Saddam as much as they secretly loved the fact that he wasn't found yet. The left hates this administration so much, they actually cheer when it fails, regardless of the costs. Posted by: Geoffrey at December 14, 2003 09:30 AM
DOBA Geoffrey; "Dead on Balls Accurate".Posted by Greyhawk at December 14, 2003 01:56 PM
I suppose Howard Dean will celebrate, because between Saddam's capture and Gore's endorsement Dean is now the absolute undisputed leader of the American Left.Posted by Bushman at December 14, 2003 02:36 PM
MoveOn.org was founded on the idea that, well, yeah, Clinton abused women but can't we just move on?
Lefties still defend his right to abuse women any time he wants and then they turn around and say, "My God! Arnold groped some poor woman!"
Where was this moral outrage when Clinton was groping Willey in the oval office while her husband was across town blowing his brains out?
So which is it; bad... or forget it and lets just 'Move On'... lolPosted by Bruce at December 14, 2003 03:31 PM
On another issue;
If Howie does not get the nomination then will you vote for the Green party?Posted by Bruce at December 14, 2003 03:33 PM
i was commenting on this site to point out that it's pretty horrendous to already start with the right wing/left wing BS... and to "let it go" because it's tiresome.
both sides/both parties have issues - yes. i say to "let it go" - as far as the "clinton raping" women... i don't quite remember him being hauled off and arrested for that crime.
i suppose, if you were ever raped or sexually assaulted, then you can decide whether or not you can "let things go"...
i - CAN - let things go.
just like letting go of the fact that bush is a former coke addict and alcoholic, i don't think these personal issues should be relevant (although, i think a drug addiction is a little bit sketchier to have than, say, a sexual addiction - especially when a country is at stake) - as i said, i vote for who i think is good for the country.
i voted for clinton AND i voted for bush.
and i am not some idiot who just follows his party and spouts forth rhetoric like some lemming...
that said - i don't know if you got my point... i am happy for our country - i am happy for the Iraqis at the moment - i am happy for President Bush.
And I am happy that I am not stuck in the mire that you seem to be happy rolling around in.
i would have emailed you personally, but you seem to have entered a fake aol address when commenting...
all the best at letting it go...
Posted by erin at December 14, 2003 03:53 PM
I think the odds of GW winning in 2004 just got better. DJIA will go up 500. First clue will be Aussie market - then Asian. Dollar falloff should end. You bet against the (post-Vietnam) US Military or the US economic output at your peril.
The freedom train is leaving the station. Maybe we will soon find out what exactly Russia, France, and Germany interests were that justified opposition to liberty and freedom of an entire nation. Of all nations on earth, these three have known the trauma of dictators yet failed to reach out to help fellow human beings in similar circumstances.
One other point: This proves that those who call for martyrdom are cowards; and those who follow such leaders are suckers.
And if the Iraqi people get this right, they will become the economic and political powerhouse of the Mid-East.
God bless the coalition forces, the people of Iraq, and all the freedom loving people of the world. This should not be a left/right issue.
Erin I'd like to congratulate you for letting go of the fact that Bush uses Coke. That's great that you can let that go, that thing about Bush using Coke. Also that you don't spout rhetoric, that's goods too. Also it's great the way you don't keep harping about the fact that Bush used Coke.
Because we all should just move on, away from that stuff about Bush using Coke. It doesn't matter that he used Coke. So that's why you let that go, right? Who really cares about his coke use. Lets all let it go. Coke coke coke.
Coke.Posted by Coke Santa at December 14, 2003 04:21 PM
Also Bush used Coke, but I let that go.Posted by Coke Santa at December 14, 2003 04:23 PM
Saddam Hussein is my Bitch!Posted by Bubba at Iraq Prison at December 14, 2003 04:33 PM
letting that go too.Posted by erin at December 14, 2003 04:40 PM
Greyhawk, you misrepresented Oliver's post because it was a comment on his post, not the actual post. He was responding to an a**hole commenter. When someone clicks the link, they don't actually see the words you qoute. You also left out "AWESOME!". You're Dowdifying him.
So you actually believe that everyone against the war loves Saddam, eh? That's a stupid thing to believe.Posted by sym at December 14, 2003 05:06 PM
So Oliver didn't mean it? His comments are different then his posts?
Get a grip Sym. Far from Dowd, my quote of Oliver was direct, complete, and had a link for folks to follow and make up their own minds.
Your "everyone against the war loves Saddam" fabrication above contributes nothing, degenerates a debate, and brings credit to no one.
I note also that you are the arbiter of intelligence levels of belief. Is that a self-proclaimed position or were you appointed?
(Kidding Sym - the "that's a stupid thing to believe" is your opinion and you're welcome to it.)Posted by Greyhawk at December 14, 2003 06:42 PM
Erin, thanks for proving my point. I ask for evidence of a coke addiction, then you ignore it and throw it right back out there. Slander works so much better when it doesn't have to be founded.Posted by Geoffrey at December 14, 2003 07:59 PM
(Greyhawk's note: In the following comment Erin will refer to this comment I left at her site, included here for completeness:
People are entitled to their opinions. You have yours and others have theirs. People disagree. This isn't complicated, yet you are missing it, even while trumpeting loudly that WHY CANT EVERYONE AGREE WITH ME!!!???!!!
See the irony?
You've also arbitrarily labeled a lot of folks "Left wing" and "Right Wing" who probably wouldn't agree with you. Please refrain from choosing sides for other people. They'll choose their own.
Finally I'll note that you've descended into vulgarity. Sad.
I do hope you've enjoyed whatever traffic flow you may have gotten for trolling our debate though.
posted by: Greyhawk at December 14, 2003 07:58 PM )
Posted by erin at December 14, 2003 08:48 PM
sorry... was trying to stay off of this pissant site... your fearful leader Grayhawk posted to mine and is implying that i was trying to drum up traffic by posting to this site. quite a laugh, pumpkin. quite a laugh. don't need the traffic, nor do i need to yap about bush's addictions - since that's the point i was trying to make... that it shouldn't (sorry, profanity deleted - ed.) matter... oooooh...yes... i used profanity. good luck with your site.
Am I the only one struggling to understand why she brought it up if it doesn't matter?Posted by Geoffrey at December 14, 2003 09:55 PM
You have free speech here - I want folks to read and make up their own minds, and I usually find that left to themselves people will expose their true nature in short order - but I will ban your IP if you continue to post the sort of profanity I deleted from your above comment.
As a rule of thumb you may want to determine an "acceptable" level of profanity on any blog you visit prior to commenting. Try reading a couple posts for guidlines as to what may be aceptable.
I think you'll find this blog "pg-13".Posted by Greyhawk at December 15, 2003 12:31 AM
If I am reading right, erin is upset at being acussed of loving Saddam. Also erin is urging "right wingers" to move toward the center.
What is the center? Are we talking geographically? Obviously not. We are talking about the center of political mass, and that resides in the opinion of the majority of American voters.
Some questions re binary in nature. Go to war, don't go to war. The war is right, or it is wrong. Capturing Saddam Hussein is either good, or bad. In these binary situations, there is not geographic middle path.
And right now, folks are looking at both sides. The vaste "middle ground" sees one side that was for the removal of Saddam, and freeing the Iraqi people. Whether this was done to benefit the US or not, is irrelevant. The people of Iraq are free of Saddam. For EVER.
Left to the "Left", Saddam would still be in power, and still feeling anguish over the deaths of the Iraqi people. I know it, you know it, and indeed most of the people on the planet know it.
And that is where the center is. Complaining about folks disagreeing with you is not going to convince them. Displaying sadness, anger or any other emotion than joy at his capture, is not going to sell well with that vaste center. Fairly or unfairly, your anger or sadness will be seen as support for Saddam, a man the Iraqi people do NOT want back.
That's life, deal with it.Posted by Ben at December 15, 2003 07:29 AM
America has been in a long way to have saddam hussein at hand, this is quite sad to me, but the indomitable lion of saudi arabia is beyond the capacity of C.I.A. and FBI. and they will no longer capture usama ibn laden, because he is being protected by the will of God Almighty.
America be careful with those muslims, i believe the reverse is the case, you will definitely ends-up in futility.