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May 2, 2011

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Meanwhile, back in 2006

By Greyhawk

Things were different...

(I've heard a rumor that Donald Trump is now demanding to see the death certificate, though.)



Posted by Greyhawk / May 2, 2011 8:41 AM | Permalink

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"The Obama administration has photographs of Osama bin Laden's dead body and officials are debating what to do with them and whether they should be released to the public, officials tell ABC News." Jake Tapper:The argument against releasing the picture... Read More

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Come on....you got the snarky "I, Me, Mine" comment in the previous post, and you link to this?

If you can't at least full give credit today, and return to snarkiness tomorrow, you're not too far removed from the people your 2006 post legimately criticized.

President Obama deserves all credit for okaying a very risky op. The world is a much better place without Osama bin Laden. I can't express how good I felt (and feel) about the news.

Cool...must have misread you before....sorry!

That was also my "first impressions" post on the topic. Take the bit about how the President frames it along with how Republicans had recently attempted to beat on Holder for the admin being "soft on terror" (always a stupid move, says I) and you get a glance at what I believe is the sorry state of the DC atmosphere. Something I didn't/don't want to expand on in the afterglow of the moment.

DC is as rotten as can be right now.

But - today - the same people who were happy and impressed with things like the GWB carrier landing in 2003 should be equally happy about today's news.

I'm already seeing a lot of comments/posts that it "was all the military 100 percent...Obama didn't do anything...blah blah blah."

What's the point? Seriously, if someone isn't rallying around the flag today, then they aren't on the same team. Trying to parse it so "only" the military gets credit fails to recognize that Obama IS the C-I-C, like it or not. It's not a SEAL team just got on a helicopter and flew around.

I'm not saying that tomorrow we can't return to the general poison and awfulness, but today at least credit goes to the administration - just like it always does in times like these.

If someone points to 2003 and says "well, the Democrats did this, blah blah," that's true, but also means that getting payback for that offense is more important than being proud of America today.

I'm not saying this is you, or this site at all....just stuff I'm already noticing. This country's so divided and rotten right now that even the death of our greatest common enemy isn't an automatic reason to find common cause.

I was already doing some comparison to '06, this one falls neatly into that category.

But along those lines I actually have a not yet completed post re: how much some of today's R's are like some of yesterday's D's, ties in with the old entry on Stars and Stripes I recently reposted.

It's a more passive-aggressive opposition, but that makes it no less misguided.

I've hit the most egregiously foolish (and not so passive) examples of that here... birthers in the military, whether or not troops cheer as loud for our current president as they did the last, etc. etc.

What seems unchanged to me is that those points about which there are legitimate concerns/reasons for criticism - then and now - become signal lost in noise. I've spent an inordinate amount of time here over the years trying to provide signal and quell the noise. Once upon a time that was "respectable" to many of the folks in paragraph two above.

Spent more time trying to quell noise; that robbed me of time I'd have rather spent trying to provide signal... likewise any legit critique I might have offered (in '06) without layers of subtlety on top would have been blown out of proportion, as any such comments from anyone in uniform were back then.

Yeah, the D's in 2003 were awful...not just at the Mission Accomplished speech (which I have to admit did not impress me at the time, and impressed me a lot less as years went on), but the whole conduct of the war.

D's and the Surge is another good example of not giving credit where credit's due. But, both those are examples of on-going events, whereas Bin Laden's death is a definitive ENDING. Damn, we can't all be on the same page about this?

I guess every time I think "Okay, THIS time we'll come together! At least for a day!" I'm proven wrong again.

I love how you've forced me to deeper examination of my own nascent thoughts - but damn, cheer up!

I think we're overall together more than an internet search might indicate... America is not the sum total of its punditry :)

(Many members of that smaller group will soon need to take hammers to their worldviews... Gitmo did play a part in this... Afghanistan isn't where bin Laden is...)

Hahaha....you're right...I'm taking a few internet comments (from the radical fringe of all sides) much too seriously.

On another note, not to go all 'birther' but I think the 'dead Laden' pic is photoshopped...mouth seems out of focus with the rest of the face.

Could be - I'm not vouching for authenticity. But it was out before descriptions of the kill shots were, and matches them.

If it's not authentic, they will ultimately release authentic photos - unless they want to rerun a "birther"-type controversy for a while.

Right and right. I suppose I'm a little skeptical that it's already making the rounds.

But why wouldn't it? If just one email gets out of course it will go viral instantly.

No, you're right - it's fake. A two year old fake, weird the wounds match recent descriptions. Moral: first reports always wrong.

I think a head-shot was always his destiny.

So it is a fake...not surprised. But we'll see the real ones, like you said above.

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November 26, 2010


America@war
[Greyhawk]
I think anyone who's ever pondered the "comment" option - once only available on blogs and bulletin boards, now ubiquitous on almost any web site - will appreciate this:
The so-called faculty of writing is not so much a faculty of writing as it is a faculty of thinking. When a man says, "I have an idea but I can't express it"; that man hasn't an idea but merely a vague feeling. If a man has a feeling of that kind, and will sit down for a half an hour and persistently try to put into writing what he feels, the probabilities are at least 90 percent that he will either be able to record it, or else realize that he has no idea at all. In either case, he will do himself a benefit.

That's wisdom from the past, captured for posterity at the US Naval Institute, shared via the web on the institute's 137th anniversary.

From their about page:

The Naval Institute shall remain

INDEPENDENT - A non-profit member association, with no government support, that does not lobby for special interests;

NON-PARTISAN - An independent, professional military association with a mission, goals and objectives that transcend political affiliations; and shall encourage

IDEAS - Through its respected journals Proceedings and Naval History, its conferences, its books and its online content, in support of those who serve.

"The Naval Institute has three core activities," among them, History and Preservation:

The Naval Institute also has recently introduced Americans at War, a living history of Americans at war in their own words and from their own experiences. These 90-second vignettes convey powerful stories of inspiration, pride, and patriotism.

Take a look at the collection, and you'll see it's not limited to accounts from those who served on ships at sea, members of the other branches are well-represented.

I'm fortunate to have met USNI's Mary Ripley, she's responsible for the institute's oral history program (and she's the daughter of the late John Ripley, whose story is told here). She also deserves much credit for their blog. ("We're not the Navy nor any government agency. Blog and comment freely.") We met at a milblog conference - Mary knew (and I would come to realize) that milbloggers are the 21st-century version of exactly what the US Naval Institute is all about. Once that light bulb came on in my head, I mentioned a vague idea for a project to her - milblogs as the 21st century oral history that they are.

"Put that in writing," she said (of course - see first paragraph above!) - and here's part of the result.

Shortly after the first tent was pitched by the American military in Iraq a wire was connected to a computer therein, and the internet was available to a generation of Americans at war - many of whom had grown up online. From that point on, at any given moment, somewhere in Iraq a Soldier, Sailor, Airman or Marine was at a keyboard sharing the events of his or her day with the folks back home. While most would simply fire off an email, others took advantage of the (then) relatively new online blogging platforms to post their thoughts and experiences for the entire world to see. The milblog was born - and from that moment to this stories detailing everything from the most mundane aspects of camp life to intense combat action (often described within hours of the event) have been available on the web...

And et cetera - but since you're reading this on a milblog, you probably knew that. And you know that milblogs aren't just blogs written by troops at war, that many friends, family members, and supporters likewise documented their story of America at war online in near-real time, as those stories developed.

The diversity in membership of that group is broad, the one thing we all have in common is the impulse to make sense of the seemingly senseless, and communicate the tale - for each of us that impulse was strong enough to overcome whatever barriers prevent the vast majority of people from doing the same. Everyone at some point has some vague idea they believe should be shared - we were the people who, from some combination of internal and external urging, found and spent those many half hours persistently trying to write it down.

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But where will all that be in another 137 years? Or five or ten, for that matter. That's something I've asked myself since at least 2004 - when I wrote this:

Closing Blogs is nothing new. So many site's owners just give up on their own. They come and go, you know, these MilBloggers do. Like any other sort of blogger. Many post in the lonely down hours far from home, spill their guts for the world, then abandon their spots when the tour of duty is up. They have lives again somewhere in the world, and no need to share the details. So it goes.

Many are truly gone - no site left at all. "The page cannot be found." Other blogs remain, like abandoned defensive positions in shifting desert sands.

Membership in the ghost battalion has grown in the years since, and an ever growing majority of those abandoned-but-still-standing sites are vanishing. Have you checked out Lt Smash's site lately? How about Sgt Hook's? If you're a long-time milblog reader you know the first widely-read milblog from Operation Iraq Freedom and the first widely-read milblog from Afghanistan are both gone from the web. If you're a relative newcomer to this world you may never even have heard of them - or the dozens upon dozens of others who carried forth the standard they set down.

If you have a vague notion that something should be done about that, (a notion I've heard expressed more than once...) then you and I and the good folks at the US Naval Institute are in agreement. Preserving the history documented by the milbloggers is just one of the goals of the milblog project, the once-vague idea that we're now making real.

And it's a big idea, if I say so myself - too big to explain in one simple blog post, so stand by for more. Likewise, it's too big a task to be accomplished by just one person. So if you're a milblogger (and exactly what is a milblogger? is a topic for much further discussion on its own) I'm asking for your help. All I'll really need is just a little bit (maybe just one or two of those half hours...) of your time, and your willingness to tell the tale.

We've already made history, it's time to save it.

(More to follow...)




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Tending Distant
Fires


Far from hearth and home, watching
Cold alone but not alone
On distant shore and only wanting
Safe return and little more

What tales we'll tell
When that time comes
When tales can be told

When things grim
Seem far away
When other fires go cold

Some distant sunset, vision fading
Memories remain
And tired eyes gaze 'pon folded flags
While distant drums beat their refrain

Saluting fallen friends whose names
And youth will never fade
Here's to those on other shores,
for them live well, the price is paid

- Greyhawk,
Baghdad,
December 2004