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May 1, 2011

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bin Laden Dead

By Greyhawk

No joke: Click for (presumed) corpse picture - not a pretty sight. Not an officially released photo, either. (It is just his body, of course. His spirit has flown, as they say... and is being @$$hammered in hell.) (Update: photo fakery... rest same.)

Lots of I, me, mine in video:


Did Rummy "scoop" the White House?

...at 10:25 p.m., while Mr. Obama was writing his speech, one particular tweet seemed to confirm it. Keith Urbahn, the chief of staff for the former defense secretary Donald Rumsfeld, wrote at that time, "So I'm told by a reputable person they have killed Osama Bin Laden. Hot damn."

Whoever says it - this is excellent news, sez I.

Boots on ground mission. Assuming those were military boots, nice way for Gates to end his tenure. Don't expect too many details*, especially on Pak participation. President was vague on those points, as it should be. Statement from George Bush just read on CNN, President Obama called former President Bush to let him know prior to the speech. Large cheering crowd outside White House. Good times - there is no down side to this story.

The big question, of course, is what to do with the corpse. My suggestion: feed it to pigs. I believe the White House answer I just heard is treat it with great respect in accordance with Muslim traditions, etc. (Yep - link.)

An overlooked story from mid-April 2010:

Holder Scales Back Bin Laden 'Corpse' Remark

Attorney General Eric Holder backed off a bit from his comment last month that "we'll be reading Miranda rights to the corpse" of al Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden.

Holder, testifying today before the Senate Judiciary Committee, said U.S. authorities hope to capture and interrogate bin Laden. "Our hope would be to capture him, interrogate him and get useful intelligence." He explained his earlier remark as simply his "assessment of the likelihood" of that outcome.

The "corpse" remark came at a House hearing last month as the attorney general tried to push back forcefully at GOP lawmakers who tried to paint him and the administration as weak on terrorism.

And I just heard Peter Bergen, CNN's national security specialist, declare the war on terror is over, Osama is irreplaceable. Unfortunately, for a war to end both sides have to stop fighting. I suppose there will be increased calls to withdraw from Afghanistan faster from those who believed Osama was the reason for the season. I'm not part of that crowd, but I never believed Afghanistan was the "central front" either.

Al Jazeera:

Reporting from Pakistan, Al Jazeera's Kamal Hyder said the development had caught a lot of people by surprise.

"He was considered by many as a hero, but not to the extent that people would come out on the streets. The reaction so far not likely to be strong on the streets, perhaps a protest here or there by the religious parties,." he said.

'Symbolic victory'

Qais Azimy, Al Jazeera's correspondent in Kabul, said Afghan officials described bin Laden's killing as a "symbolic victory", since he was no longer directly connected to the group's field operations.

News from prior to President Obama's announcement:

ABC News: "His death brings to an end a tumultuous life that saw bin Laden go from being the carefree son of a Saudi billionaire, to terrorist leader and the most wanted man in the world."

Reminds me of their first story on him years ago:

"In America," Miller told bin Laden, "we have a figure from history from 1897 named Teddy Roosevelt. He was a wealthy man, who grew up in a privileged situation and who fought on the front lines. He put together his own men - hand chose them - and went to battle. You are like the Middle East version of Teddy Roosevelt." Miller further assured Osama that "the American people, by and large, do not know the name bin Laden, but they soon likely will."

BBC:

Al-Qaeda founder and leader Osama Bin Laden is dead, according to US media reports citing officials.

The US is in possession of Bin Laden's body, the reports say. President Barack Obama is due to make a statement shortly.

Bin Laden is top of the US most wanted list.

He is accused of being behind a number of atrocities, including the attacks on New York and Washington on 11 September 2001.

*Details: actually I do expect everything to be blabbed, as it shouldn't be.



Posted by Greyhawk / May 1, 2011 11:13 PM | Permalink

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feed it to pigs.

My suggestion: save the head ... for installation on a pike outside the Pentagon.

As ol' SMASH said when Saddam met his end (of the rope) ... sic semper tyrannis

Congratulations are in order ... first for those who did the deed on bin Laden, then for ALL our sheepdogs who have served since 11 September 2001.

Concur with your congrats!

And glad to see you here, stranger! You're always welcome, anytime :)

Bin Laden buried at sea....I thought it was illegal to dump garbage in the ocean.

Back when our kids were young the wife and I buried a few goldfish at sea. :)

I don't find it suspicious that someone could live in a mansion somewhere undetected. This isn't a guy who buys his own milk.

However, I'm not quite getting the part where 4 men in the dark vs a SEAL team with optics = 40min firefight, destroyed compound and (apparently) a helo down.

They're very specific about these 2 couriers and a woman. No mention of guards. Does this not seem odd?

I can't imagine a 40min fight being any more impressive than a 3min fight, or why that would be talked up to be anything it wasn't. Seems more plausible that instead who they were fighting for 40mins isn't being mentioned. Perhaps on account of the neighborhood he in?

There's something missing here.

You're right - easier to hide in a crowd than in the open, and easier to hide where no one thinks you would hide. In the end, Osama, like a set of car keys, was found in the last place we looked.

I hope (I expect) the fight was not all there was to it - there were things of greater potential value than Osama's corpse in that house. Every computer hard drive, every bit of removable media, every cell phone

My last guess at his location was based on LWJ reporting of where his elite personal guard troops were located in Baluchistan.

I kind of get the feeling if he felt safe down the road from a Pak HQ, that it's at least a possibilty he may have had some sponsored guards.

Which may also explain why there's no guards mentioned being killed and how these 4 guys were so much trouble.

On the other hand, someone with a decent pair of binoculars at NSA HQ could have seen the 9/11 hijackers camped out in their backyard just before they boarded.
Sometimes it just works out that way, no accounting for the strange of it.


Also imagine how every al Qaeda member must feel today, knowing that whatever nifty items Osama recently had in his hands are now in our hands.

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November 26, 2010


America@war
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I think anyone who's ever pondered the "comment" option - once only available on blogs and bulletin boards, now ubiquitous on almost any web site - will appreciate this:
The so-called faculty of writing is not so much a faculty of writing as it is a faculty of thinking. When a man says, "I have an idea but I can't express it"; that man hasn't an idea but merely a vague feeling. If a man has a feeling of that kind, and will sit down for a half an hour and persistently try to put into writing what he feels, the probabilities are at least 90 percent that he will either be able to record it, or else realize that he has no idea at all. In either case, he will do himself a benefit.

That's wisdom from the past, captured for posterity at the US Naval Institute, shared via the web on the institute's 137th anniversary.

From their about page:

The Naval Institute shall remain

INDEPENDENT - A non-profit member association, with no government support, that does not lobby for special interests;

NON-PARTISAN - An independent, professional military association with a mission, goals and objectives that transcend political affiliations; and shall encourage

IDEAS - Through its respected journals Proceedings and Naval History, its conferences, its books and its online content, in support of those who serve.

"The Naval Institute has three core activities," among them, History and Preservation:

The Naval Institute also has recently introduced Americans at War, a living history of Americans at war in their own words and from their own experiences. These 90-second vignettes convey powerful stories of inspiration, pride, and patriotism.

Take a look at the collection, and you'll see it's not limited to accounts from those who served on ships at sea, members of the other branches are well-represented.

I'm fortunate to have met USNI's Mary Ripley, she's responsible for the institute's oral history program (and she's the daughter of the late John Ripley, whose story is told here). She also deserves much credit for their blog. ("We're not the Navy nor any government agency. Blog and comment freely.") We met at a milblog conference - Mary knew (and I would come to realize) that milbloggers are the 21st-century version of exactly what the US Naval Institute is all about. Once that light bulb came on in my head, I mentioned a vague idea for a project to her - milblogs as the 21st century oral history that they are.

"Put that in writing," she said (of course - see first paragraph above!) - and here's part of the result.

Shortly after the first tent was pitched by the American military in Iraq a wire was connected to a computer therein, and the internet was available to a generation of Americans at war - many of whom had grown up online. From that point on, at any given moment, somewhere in Iraq a Soldier, Sailor, Airman or Marine was at a keyboard sharing the events of his or her day with the folks back home. While most would simply fire off an email, others took advantage of the (then) relatively new online blogging platforms to post their thoughts and experiences for the entire world to see. The milblog was born - and from that moment to this stories detailing everything from the most mundane aspects of camp life to intense combat action (often described within hours of the event) have been available on the web...

And et cetera - but since you're reading this on a milblog, you probably knew that. And you know that milblogs aren't just blogs written by troops at war, that many friends, family members, and supporters likewise documented their story of America at war online in near-real time, as those stories developed.

The diversity in membership of that group is broad, the one thing we all have in common is the impulse to make sense of the seemingly senseless, and communicate the tale - for each of us that impulse was strong enough to overcome whatever barriers prevent the vast majority of people from doing the same. Everyone at some point has some vague idea they believe should be shared - we were the people who, from some combination of internal and external urging, found and spent those many half hours persistently trying to write it down.

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But where will all that be in another 137 years? Or five or ten, for that matter. That's something I've asked myself since at least 2004 - when I wrote this:

Closing Blogs is nothing new. So many site's owners just give up on their own. They come and go, you know, these MilBloggers do. Like any other sort of blogger. Many post in the lonely down hours far from home, spill their guts for the world, then abandon their spots when the tour of duty is up. They have lives again somewhere in the world, and no need to share the details. So it goes.

Many are truly gone - no site left at all. "The page cannot be found." Other blogs remain, like abandoned defensive positions in shifting desert sands.

Membership in the ghost battalion has grown in the years since, and an ever growing majority of those abandoned-but-still-standing sites are vanishing. Have you checked out Lt Smash's site lately? How about Sgt Hook's? If you're a long-time milblog reader you know the first widely-read milblog from Operation Iraq Freedom and the first widely-read milblog from Afghanistan are both gone from the web. If you're a relative newcomer to this world you may never even have heard of them - or the dozens upon dozens of others who carried forth the standard they set down.

If you have a vague notion that something should be done about that, (a notion I've heard expressed more than once...) then you and I and the good folks at the US Naval Institute are in agreement. Preserving the history documented by the milbloggers is just one of the goals of the milblog project, the once-vague idea that we're now making real.

And it's a big idea, if I say so myself - too big to explain in one simple blog post, so stand by for more. Likewise, it's too big a task to be accomplished by just one person. So if you're a milblogger (and exactly what is a milblogger? is a topic for much further discussion on its own) I'm asking for your help. All I'll really need is just a little bit (maybe just one or two of those half hours...) of your time, and your willingness to tell the tale.

We've already made history, it's time to save it.

(More to follow...)




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Tending Distant
Fires


Far from hearth and home, watching
Cold alone but not alone
On distant shore and only wanting
Safe return and little more

What tales we'll tell
When that time comes
When tales can be told

When things grim
Seem far away
When other fires go cold

Some distant sunset, vision fading
Memories remain
And tired eyes gaze 'pon folded flags
While distant drums beat their refrain

Saluting fallen friends whose names
And youth will never fade
Here's to those on other shores,
for them live well, the price is paid

- Greyhawk,
Baghdad,
December 2004