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July 13, 2010

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Kids today... too violent for the military?

By Greyhawk

I've read (and believe) studies demonstrating the majority of American youth are unfit for service based on physical fitness or education levels, criminal records (some related to violent acts) and other considerations. And I've seen unrelated claims that exposure to violent media - movies, games, music - serves to indoctrinate youth into some sort of "military mindset."

But I believe this is the first time I've encountered this intriguing thought: the military should take steps to reverse some of that media conditioning:

Applied ethics indoctrination for new soldiers may be even more important today than in the past because of the need to differentiate between societal and military professional views on the use of violence. In much of the Western media to which young soldiers are exposed, such as action films, video games, and 'gangster rap' music, violence appears justifiable as a means of advancing personal interests or demonstrating individual prowess. In contrast, the Law of War as well as the military's code of honor justifies violence only against combatants.

To inculcate soldiers with a determination to use force with discipline and discrimination, NATO militaries should emphasize collective rather than individual ethics education. Collective education and training helps soldiers understand that the institution and their fellow soldiers expect them to exhibit a higher sense of honor than that to which they are exposed in popular culture.

That quote is so new that (for now, at least) Google won't reveal its author - someone with authoritative knowledge and experience on soldiers, training, strategy and tactics, doctrine, and pol/mil interrelationships re: conducting war.

But I'll link the whole thing later. For now just wanted to see if there were any reactions to the idea expressed.



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I think it is sad but possibly true. I look back at the ethics and morals that we tried to pass down to the youths. Something has been lost on too many of our young people. What ever happened to helping the little old lady across the street. Now it is "sport" to try to trip them. To have our young men and women in the military and nurture the side that is required to be a good soldier without making sure the ethics are there can create something I don't want to meet on the streets when they come home. It really should not be the military's job. But....

Collective education? This is usually is a red flag to me when I see this type of "collective" word usage. I guess we could always ask China how that collective thing is working for them, as they turn more to capitalism and we turn towards collective education.

People like to hide progressive agendas wrapping around words like honor. Next your going to tell me it was a quote from Gen. Patton or Omar Bradley. Thanks for setting me up :-)

A while back on one of my 'rape in the military' posts, someone posted a comment from a Marine LtCol. currently working at one of the Recruit Training Depots. I found it interesting b/c the spouse was at Parris Island for 3 years, albeit over 10 years ago.

At any rate, his comment was that recruits were coming into boot camp without the slightest notion of sexual self restraint or morality, and then we throw them together and expect them to behave the way we were taught to. IOW, not only does the Marine Corps have to counter "nature" (an age old problem). Nowadays we're also fighting an uphill battle against "nurture" as well.

Food for thought, no es verdad?

I think the military seems to have done a fairly good job in weeding out those who can't distinguish between fantasy and reality. It may be that kids are more exposed to violence in media these days but I'm not so sure that it's really made them more difficult to train or that they can't adjust to the demands and expectations of military service.

Since the 1960s the overwhelming message coming out of popular culture has been to defy authority and yet the military manages to inculcate a respect for authority that is completely missing in pretty much any other aspect of American society. That's the truly amazing thing. If it can do that, makes these kids stand up and salute and follow orders, it can pretty much handle anything I would think.

At least this quote is an improvement over those who claim the military takes normal kids and turns them into violent psychopaths.

That being said, I don't buy it.

Solid moral standards are always good. "Collective"-anything makes me nervous when it's only the individual (one at a time) who can be moral-- collective morality produced the Holocuast and the Cambodian killing fields.

What's going to make them hard to train will be the Obama cuts and "regulations" imposed over the Army, Marines, Air Force, and Navy.

First thing that has to go is "discrimination". Can't have no sexual discrimination going on. or ethical. Or humane. Or anything else of the sort.

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November 26, 2010


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I think anyone who's ever pondered the "comment" option - once only available on blogs and bulletin boards, now ubiquitous on almost any web site - will appreciate this:
The so-called faculty of writing is not so much a faculty of writing as it is a faculty of thinking. When a man says, "I have an idea but I can't express it"; that man hasn't an idea but merely a vague feeling. If a man has a feeling of that kind, and will sit down for a half an hour and persistently try to put into writing what he feels, the probabilities are at least 90 percent that he will either be able to record it, or else realize that he has no idea at all. In either case, he will do himself a benefit.

That's wisdom from the past, captured for posterity at the US Naval Institute, shared via the web on the institute's 137th anniversary.

From their about page:

The Naval Institute shall remain

INDEPENDENT - A non-profit member association, with no government support, that does not lobby for special interests;

NON-PARTISAN - An independent, professional military association with a mission, goals and objectives that transcend political affiliations; and shall encourage

IDEAS - Through its respected journals Proceedings and Naval History, its conferences, its books and its online content, in support of those who serve.

"The Naval Institute has three core activities," among them, History and Preservation:

The Naval Institute also has recently introduced Americans at War, a living history of Americans at war in their own words and from their own experiences. These 90-second vignettes convey powerful stories of inspiration, pride, and patriotism.

Take a look at the collection, and you'll see it's not limited to accounts from those who served on ships at sea, members of the other branches are well-represented.

I'm fortunate to have met USNI's Mary Ripley, she's responsible for the institute's oral history program (and she's the daughter of the late John Ripley, whose story is told here). She also deserves much credit for their blog. ("We're not the Navy nor any government agency. Blog and comment freely.") We met at a milblog conference - Mary knew (and I would come to realize) that milbloggers are the 21st-century version of exactly what the US Naval Institute is all about. Once that light bulb came on in my head, I mentioned a vague idea for a project to her - milblogs as the 21st century oral history that they are.

"Put that in writing," she said (of course - see first paragraph above!) - and here's part of the result.

Shortly after the first tent was pitched by the American military in Iraq a wire was connected to a computer therein, and the internet was available to a generation of Americans at war - many of whom had grown up online. From that point on, at any given moment, somewhere in Iraq a Soldier, Sailor, Airman or Marine was at a keyboard sharing the events of his or her day with the folks back home. While most would simply fire off an email, others took advantage of the (then) relatively new online blogging platforms to post their thoughts and experiences for the entire world to see. The milblog was born - and from that moment to this stories detailing everything from the most mundane aspects of camp life to intense combat action (often described within hours of the event) have been available on the web...

And et cetera - but since you're reading this on a milblog, you probably knew that. And you know that milblogs aren't just blogs written by troops at war, that many friends, family members, and supporters likewise documented their story of America at war online in near-real time, as those stories developed.

The diversity in membership of that group is broad, the one thing we all have in common is the impulse to make sense of the seemingly senseless, and communicate the tale - for each of us that impulse was strong enough to overcome whatever barriers prevent the vast majority of people from doing the same. Everyone at some point has some vague idea they believe should be shared - we were the people who, from some combination of internal and external urging, found and spent those many half hours persistently trying to write it down.

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But where will all that be in another 137 years? Or five or ten, for that matter. That's something I've asked myself since at least 2004 - when I wrote this:

Closing Blogs is nothing new. So many site's owners just give up on their own. They come and go, you know, these MilBloggers do. Like any other sort of blogger. Many post in the lonely down hours far from home, spill their guts for the world, then abandon their spots when the tour of duty is up. They have lives again somewhere in the world, and no need to share the details. So it goes.

Many are truly gone - no site left at all. "The page cannot be found." Other blogs remain, like abandoned defensive positions in shifting desert sands.

Membership in the ghost battalion has grown in the years since, and an ever growing majority of those abandoned-but-still-standing sites are vanishing. Have you checked out Lt Smash's site lately? How about Sgt Hook's? If you're a long-time milblog reader you know the first widely-read milblog from Operation Iraq Freedom and the first widely-read milblog from Afghanistan are both gone from the web. If you're a relative newcomer to this world you may never even have heard of them - or the dozens upon dozens of others who carried forth the standard they set down.

If you have a vague notion that something should be done about that, (a notion I've heard expressed more than once...) then you and I and the good folks at the US Naval Institute are in agreement. Preserving the history documented by the milbloggers is just one of the goals of the milblog project, the once-vague idea that we're now making real.

And it's a big idea, if I say so myself - too big to explain in one simple blog post, so stand by for more. Likewise, it's too big a task to be accomplished by just one person. So if you're a milblogger (and exactly what is a milblogger? is a topic for much further discussion on its own) I'm asking for your help. All I'll really need is just a little bit (maybe just one or two of those half hours...) of your time, and your willingness to tell the tale.

We've already made history, it's time to save it.

(More to follow...)




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Tending Distant
Fires


Far from hearth and home, watching
Cold alone but not alone
On distant shore and only wanting
Safe return and little more

What tales we'll tell
When that time comes
When tales can be told

When things grim
Seem far away
When other fires go cold

Some distant sunset, vision fading
Memories remain
And tired eyes gaze 'pon folded flags
While distant drums beat their refrain

Saluting fallen friends whose names
And youth will never fade
Here's to those on other shores,
for them live well, the price is paid

- Greyhawk,
Baghdad,
December 2004