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July 8, 2010

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Postscript

By Greyhawk

Sean Naylor, Army Times: Sources: Rolling Stone quotes made by jr. staff.

The impolitic comments that torpedoed Gen. Stan McChrystal's career were "almost all" made by his most junior staff -- men who "make tea, keep the principal on time and carry bags" -- who had no reason to believe their words would end up in print, according to a staff member who was on the trip to Europe during which the comments were made.

There's a good breakdown therein of who exactly is credited with what quotes in the Rolling Stone article - a mix of named and unnamed (or vaguely described) sources, something Hastings' work has in common with virtually any similar piece filed in the history of war.

But before pressing on with this discussion I'll revisit my comment from the day:

...General McChrystal apologized for the article (which he's rumored to have reviewed and approved - though that task may have actually fallen to another...) at the same speed he does for errant rocket attacks in Afghanistan. (How fast is that? Sometimes too fast... but that's another story...) Certainly that apology doesn't aid the General's defenders (or people who notice the actual truth in the matter) in their cause.
For the record, here's that apology:
I extend my sincerest apology for this profile. It was a mistake reflecting poor judgment and should never have happened. Throughout my career, I have lived by the principles of personal honor and professional integrity. What is reflected in this article falls far short of that standard. I have enormous respect and admiration for President Obama and his national security team, and for the civilian leaders and troops fighting this war and I remain committed to ensuring its successful outcome.

So, if you like your stories simple - end of story.

But, if you're interested, the Army Times' piece sounds plausible on all points. Including an additional detail about that review

In his June 22 appearance on "Morning Joe," when asked if McChrystal's staff had known "this was coming for some time," Bates, the Rolling Stone editor, answered, "Yes."

"We ran everything by them in our fact-checking process, as we always do, so I think they had a sense of what was coming, but this was all on the record and they spent a lot of time with our reporter, so I think they knew that they had said it."

These comments infuriated those at ISAF headquarters in Kabul. Army Times obtained a copy of the questions that Rolling Stone's fact-checker sent to ISAF headquarters, along with Boothby's replies. None of the questions discusses the controversial aspects of the article, nor are any of the quotes that cost McChrystal his job included.

Boothby resigned as fast as McCrhystal apologized - but those questions and answers have since been published in the Washington Post. There are numerous valid issues raised by events of the day, but to imply or conclude from that bit of fact-checking that McChrystal and company had any foreknowledge of what was in the article is absurd beyond any point of debate. So, if there's any outrage on their part regarding Bates' claim that "We ran everything by them in our fact-checking process, as we always do, so I think they had a sense of what was coming" - it's justified.

And pointless. Once again, for emphasis: "I extend my sincerest apology for this profile. It was a mistake reflecting poor judgment and should never have happened..."

And by way of explaining the "apologize first" approach:

[ISAF spokesman LtC] Sholtis said that "arguing about the merits of the article would have seemed like we were trying to protect or excuse ourselves rather than acknowledge our mistake. That may have not been the best PR strategy, but it was the approach consistent with the character of General McChrystal."

Which is admirable. And the General's apology was adequate for the content of the actual article.

But adding further fuel to the fire - the Rolling Stone story itself hadn't been released yet - and the public's perception of its contents was shaped by descriptions in other media accounts that blew it far out of proportion. In this case all that combined for a story that General McChrystal and his staff were a lot of drunken, insubordinate frat boys whose self righteous delusions of superiority and invulnerability led them to give a thumbs-up to a story that portrayed them as drunken, insubordinate frat boys with delusions of superiority and invulnerability. Then, once declared to be the leader of a group of drunken, insubordinate frat boys with delusions of superiority and invulnerability the General responded with the equivalent of "yeah - my bad."

All of which happened before the article was available to the public - of which 99% have not and will never read said article. For those in the other 1% (and I'm sure that includes anyone who's read this post), the Army Times piece represents a critical companion piece to the original. (Or postscript, as my title implies.)

Added (hat tip N.S. Webster): "Rolling Stone writer lands McChrystal book deal."

The book, untitled at this point, will be published by Little, Brown, and promises, according to Publishersmarketplace.com, "an unprecedented behind-the-scenes account of America's longest war," with an unfiltered look at the war, and the soldiers, diplomats and politicians who are waging it.

The marketing folks have probably already asked: can they get Lady GaGa on the cover?



Posted by Greyhawk / July 8, 2010 10:02 AM | Permalink

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Interesting.

At first, I thought a comment like "Jones is stuck in 1985" would only be made by a Lt. Col. or higher - what junior officer would even have an opinion like that? What would they know about a time when they weren't even born?

However, a junior officer trying to bluster for an RS reporter, and trying to appear more in the loop, might be parroting what he heard a more senior officer say in some earlier conversation unrelated to Hastings.

But the context would be completely different if it's a second-hand rumor like that. And not really appropriate for Hastings to use, especially if he knows it's just barracks gossip.

On the other hand, why wouldn't he just identify the speaker? If the quotes are on the record, why not who said them? Then the reader can make their own judgment on the status of the speaker.

Nobody disputed the quotes themselves - so Hastings was truthful as far what was said out loud.

But - and it's a big "but" - whether he was contextually truthful is another question, and trying to parse different interpretations - by both 'sides' - of the status of those quoted anonymously makes it pretty hard to figure out who is being most honest. If some Major carried a bag once, does that make him only a "junior adviser?"

It's a sketchy situation and one more reasons why anonymous quotes are a generally poor practice.

Anyway, Hastings already got his book deal. He's all set.

I read "stuck in 1985" as "has a cold war mentality" - something I've heard said by folks who came of age post-cold war. (A new version of an age-old "generation-gap" complaint.) But we don't really know what the quote means, do we? The full quote could be "The guy wears pastel t-shirts, he's totally 1985."

Generally when I see something out of context, I suspect that's because context would undermine the reporter's point. In this case (and many others) I think the point is sensationalism.

And in any story the more vague the description the source ("an advisor") and the more blunt the quote the more likely I am to fill in the blanks with "a really inexperienced junior person."

Couple that with the number of times I've seen E4's referred to as "officers" in media accounts and I arrive at the same place you are re: anonymous quotes.

FWIW, the term "adviser" could be applied to me while I was active duty. So could "member of the staff" or "person involved in planning" or "source close to ______" or "a military official who was there." Same goes for my boss and the people who worked under me and a few thousand other folks I know.

I'll bet that McChrystal is glad that he's gone. I know that I wouldn't want to have to listen to, or take any more orders from Obama.

Thank you for this, and thanks to NS Webster for all his input, too. It makes things so much clearer. I wish everyone would read your blog. I have learned so much over the years. So much context, and history...in such a measured tone.
(the term "milkook" when it comes to you is just so totally laughable) My thanks to Mrs. G, also. You make a fantastic team.

I feel really badly for GEN McChrystal. I pray for him every day. I hope that he is getting the support that he needs, and so deserves. I wish I knew how to convey my best wishes to him, and my gratitude.

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November 26, 2010


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I think anyone who's ever pondered the "comment" option - once only available on blogs and bulletin boards, now ubiquitous on almost any web site - will appreciate this:
The so-called faculty of writing is not so much a faculty of writing as it is a faculty of thinking. When a man says, "I have an idea but I can't express it"; that man hasn't an idea but merely a vague feeling. If a man has a feeling of that kind, and will sit down for a half an hour and persistently try to put into writing what he feels, the probabilities are at least 90 percent that he will either be able to record it, or else realize that he has no idea at all. In either case, he will do himself a benefit.

That's wisdom from the past, captured for posterity at the US Naval Institute, shared via the web on the institute's 137th anniversary.

From their about page:

The Naval Institute shall remain

INDEPENDENT - A non-profit member association, with no government support, that does not lobby for special interests;

NON-PARTISAN - An independent, professional military association with a mission, goals and objectives that transcend political affiliations; and shall encourage

IDEAS - Through its respected journals Proceedings and Naval History, its conferences, its books and its online content, in support of those who serve.

"The Naval Institute has three core activities," among them, History and Preservation:

The Naval Institute also has recently introduced Americans at War, a living history of Americans at war in their own words and from their own experiences. These 90-second vignettes convey powerful stories of inspiration, pride, and patriotism.

Take a look at the collection, and you'll see it's not limited to accounts from those who served on ships at sea, members of the other branches are well-represented.

I'm fortunate to have met USNI's Mary Ripley, she's responsible for the institute's oral history program (and she's the daughter of the late John Ripley, whose story is told here). She also deserves much credit for their blog. ("We're not the Navy nor any government agency. Blog and comment freely.") We met at a milblog conference - Mary knew (and I would come to realize) that milbloggers are the 21st-century version of exactly what the US Naval Institute is all about. Once that light bulb came on in my head, I mentioned a vague idea for a project to her - milblogs as the 21st century oral history that they are.

"Put that in writing," she said (of course - see first paragraph above!) - and here's part of the result.

Shortly after the first tent was pitched by the American military in Iraq a wire was connected to a computer therein, and the internet was available to a generation of Americans at war - many of whom had grown up online. From that point on, at any given moment, somewhere in Iraq a Soldier, Sailor, Airman or Marine was at a keyboard sharing the events of his or her day with the folks back home. While most would simply fire off an email, others took advantage of the (then) relatively new online blogging platforms to post their thoughts and experiences for the entire world to see. The milblog was born - and from that moment to this stories detailing everything from the most mundane aspects of camp life to intense combat action (often described within hours of the event) have been available on the web...

And et cetera - but since you're reading this on a milblog, you probably knew that. And you know that milblogs aren't just blogs written by troops at war, that many friends, family members, and supporters likewise documented their story of America at war online in near-real time, as those stories developed.

The diversity in membership of that group is broad, the one thing we all have in common is the impulse to make sense of the seemingly senseless, and communicate the tale - for each of us that impulse was strong enough to overcome whatever barriers prevent the vast majority of people from doing the same. Everyone at some point has some vague idea they believe should be shared - we were the people who, from some combination of internal and external urging, found and spent those many half hours persistently trying to write it down.

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But where will all that be in another 137 years? Or five or ten, for that matter. That's something I've asked myself since at least 2004 - when I wrote this:

Closing Blogs is nothing new. So many site's owners just give up on their own. They come and go, you know, these MilBloggers do. Like any other sort of blogger. Many post in the lonely down hours far from home, spill their guts for the world, then abandon their spots when the tour of duty is up. They have lives again somewhere in the world, and no need to share the details. So it goes.

Many are truly gone - no site left at all. "The page cannot be found." Other blogs remain, like abandoned defensive positions in shifting desert sands.

Membership in the ghost battalion has grown in the years since, and an ever growing majority of those abandoned-but-still-standing sites are vanishing. Have you checked out Lt Smash's site lately? How about Sgt Hook's? If you're a long-time milblog reader you know the first widely-read milblog from Operation Iraq Freedom and the first widely-read milblog from Afghanistan are both gone from the web. If you're a relative newcomer to this world you may never even have heard of them - or the dozens upon dozens of others who carried forth the standard they set down.

If you have a vague notion that something should be done about that, (a notion I've heard expressed more than once...) then you and I and the good folks at the US Naval Institute are in agreement. Preserving the history documented by the milbloggers is just one of the goals of the milblog project, the once-vague idea that we're now making real.

And it's a big idea, if I say so myself - too big to explain in one simple blog post, so stand by for more. Likewise, it's too big a task to be accomplished by just one person. So if you're a milblogger (and exactly what is a milblogger? is a topic for much further discussion on its own) I'm asking for your help. All I'll really need is just a little bit (maybe just one or two of those half hours...) of your time, and your willingness to tell the tale.

We've already made history, it's time to save it.

(More to follow...)




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Tending Distant
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Far from hearth and home, watching
Cold alone but not alone
On distant shore and only wanting
Safe return and little more

What tales we'll tell
When that time comes
When tales can be told

When things grim
Seem far away
When other fires go cold

Some distant sunset, vision fading
Memories remain
And tired eyes gaze 'pon folded flags
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Saluting fallen friends whose names
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