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June 23, 2010

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The Done Deal

By Greyhawk

This morning the President accepted my resignation as Commander of U.S. and NATO Coalition Forces in Afghanistan. I strongly support the President's strategy in Afghanistan and am deeply committed to our coalition forces, our partner nations, and the Afghan people. It was out of respect for this commitment -- and a desire to see the mission succeed -- that I tendered my resignation.

It has been my privilege and honor to lead our nation's finest.


Kudos to the President - hard to imagine a better choice than General Petraeus to lead the effort in Afghanistan. Expect no changes in direction there, continuity is assured. (At least, the president has not sent any signals that a major strategic "reset" is coming.)

But do expect great changes in perception of the war in the US. As noted repeatedly here, General McChrystal was a whipping boy for the political left and right. General Petraeus, not so much. (And just think how his stature will improve if he can somehow "turn things around" over there... really, think about it.)

Now, about that civilian side...

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A message (released before the announcement) from Soldiers' Angels founder (and our friend) Patti Patton-Bader:

Our thoughts and prayers go out for General McChrystal, the brave leader of our troops in Afghanistan who probably needs some friends right now. He has served his country during a very difficult time, with an unimaginable weight of responsibility for lives both civilian and military resting on his shoulders.

Like his great predecessor with whom I share a name, he has found that the intersection of war and politics has its own challenges.

The Soldiers' Angels spirit is to have the backs of all our soldiers, from the lowliest private right up through the generals. We don't take a stand on politics/policy or on conflicts up or down the chain of command, but we always remember that these are real people fighting a really hard war.

The General has done what he believed needed to be done in leading that war and we support him for that. Our support is not about politics. It's about a Soldier who has served to the best of his abilities and who has our appreciation and love for having done so.

I can only Imagine what General Patton would be saying during these times, and how many times he would be called to the Big Office himself.

I'll echo that, and add thoughts, prayers, and best wishes to the McChrystal and Petraeus families.

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Elsewhere:

Noah Shachtman at Danger Room on possible "ROE" changes. (A few of my thoughts on why Afghanistan isn't Iraq are in comments below.)

Small Wars Journal round-up here (expect updates).

Big blog reax roundup here.

Fred Kaplan in Slate - read the whole thing.

Michael Hastings, Rolling Stone: "Petraeus makes sense. He's considered the hero of Iraq, and he has the public's trust. He won't be caught dead calling the offensive in Marja a "bleeding ulcer," as McChrystal did. His appointment neutralizes him as a potential (though highly unlikely) political rival for 2012. He literally wrote the book on counterinsurgency, drafting the Army field manual on the U.S. strategy that is being pursued in Afghanistan." The rest is garbage, from the same guy who wrote the "Runaway General" story. Read it for some insight into the author's motivation, if you need it.


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Posted by Greyhawk / June 23, 2010 1:48 PM | Permalink

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Do you think there will some changes in ROE?

Petraeus employed adaptive leadership that gave commanders on the ground the ability to conduct offensive ops as they saw fit in Iraq. Do you think this is coming to Afghanistan?

"Do you think there will some changes in ROE?"

I think we will continue to do everything in our power to avoid civilian casualties while ensuring our troops the right to self-defense, as has been the case for years. I think you might see a new COMISAF tactical directive reiterating that.

I think that will continue to cause consternation at successively lower levels (at and below where ROE are decided). But I think pundits on the political right in America will be less inclined to attack Petraeus for those sorts of things than they were McChrystal.

Most pundits on the left will continue to point out the horrors inflicted on civilians during wars. Maybe even turn it up a few notches if there is indeed a new tactical directive. (All that's just a wag off the top of my head.)

Grey, those are good comments. I agree with everything you said, but I think I may have asked to simplistic a question.

Petraeus didn't install a purely population-centric COIN strategy in Iraq, yet that is what looks like is being pursued in Afghanistan under McC. Based adaptive leadership philosophy, he allowed leaders to pursue and initiate offensive operations as they saw fit. He even personally ordered large offensive operations. These kinetic operations were absolutely necessary to ensure that the safety and security of population was achieved before they could achieve political & and other non-kinetic ops.

So, to me the ROE of limiting civilian casualties is not an absolute, but relative metric. The ROE in Afghanistan have clearly been far more restrictive than the ones during the surge in Iraq based on reports I have read (I'm totally willing to be proven wrong on that! ). I would think that it isn't necessarily about having a General that order a can of whoop-ass to be opened up, but more that he isn't restrained by a dogmatic view of population-centric COIN--Petraeus proved its limitations and improved upon in in Iraq.

I'm not a true believer in pop-centric COIN as some sort of bloodless warfare. Was in Iraq during the surge, and fully believe the success there (modeled on Ramadi and Tal Afar campaigns that came before) very much required some heavy kinetic operations to set the stage. But I've had interesting conversations with guys who were integral parts of the Ramadi campaign (summer '06) that lead me to believe there isn't as much ROE difference between that and Afghanistan today as some folks believe. (And I can remember many complaints about restrictive ROE in Iraq, too. Those complaints just weren't taken as seriously as they seems to be now.)

One thing I suspect is very different in A'stan is the number of "foreign fighters" tasking pot-shots at us. Very few there relative to Iraq, where we were clearly protecting the population from al Qaeda in many cases (and Sunnis from Shia and vice versa in others). In A'stan I suspect, we are confronted with more locals very unhappy about the GI Joes in their neighborhood - and more liklihood of creating "accidental guerrillas."

Tough calls to make. Too much to sum up in one comment, but in short I think the lower level the decisions are made, the better.

Awesome response, Grey. Thanks. It gives me a much better understanding of what I'm looking at from 40,000 ft here! Well done.

How can you say General Petraeus is not a whipping boy to the left? As I recall in a senate hearing he was called a liar by the current Secretary of State. In addition as I recall in the same hearing our current President was not very complementary. Then again that was regarding Iraq. I am sure they will treat General Petraeus much better now that he has command of Afghanistan.

The only "continuity is assured" in my view is General Petraeus will be asked to resign. If you are saying that this is the best continuity for our troops on the ground for the short term, I would agree.

The only demining quote in the Rolling Stone article that was attributed to McCrystal was the same type of statement Obama made about Biden. Even Biden jokes about Biden. This is a weak decision by a thin skinned President. Why do we even assume the accuracy of the Rolling Stone writer?

"How can you say General Petraeus is not a whipping boy to the left?"

I didn't say that. :)

Then I must apologize for misinturpreting your statement. I'll reread latter when my blood pressure goes down from knowing that an MTV journalist toke down a Great General. We have identified the enemy at it is US.

No need to apologize. I expect the same war to continue with a different commander. I expect non-military folks (pundits, mostly) who put a bit too much stock in personalities to perceive a different war is somehow ongoing.

I think those who perceive Petraeus as a potential political threat (mostly on the left) will respond negatively, while those who've been running with the "McChrystal is Obama's lackey" theme (mostly on the right) will respond positively. Once that shuffle is complete, there might be a net gain in "approval" of the ISAF commander (for whatever that's worth) - mostly because McChrystal didn't have much support on the left, either.

I can assure you that for the grunt in the trenches, life will not change. Ditto the average Afghan villager.

Uhhh... as CENTCOM Patreus was in Command of Afganistan all along... through McChrystal. This announcment just sounds like he will take over day to day Ops FOR NOW... ie... until a replacment for McChrystal can be figured out.

I have not read anything about Patreus stepping down from CENTCOM.

Lincoln once said about a General that said inappropriate things about the CinC

"All I want out of General McClellan is a victory, and if to hold his horse will bring it, I will gladly hold his horse."

How times have changed. McChrystal's comments that were quoted were not that big of a deal when you place them in historical context of what other Generals have said about their CinC. What has changed is how thinned skin Americans and in particular this CinC is. I am also thinking back to Truman-MacArthur. McChrystal's comments do not rise to the level of multiple insubordination that left Truman with no choice but to fire MacArthur.

And I hope things actually do change for for the grunts in the trenches and the average Afghan villager. Otherwise what are we doing there. Our CinC needs to set the goals greater than a July 2011 withdrawal. I know I must be taking your point out of context. You understand these things much better than I do. All I want is a CinC that is on the same team as the troops are on. I just don't see it.

I agree 100% McChrystal was turned into whipping boy for the left and the right, as well as the media. I personally don't see what was so bad about his comments.

Without offering any other opinion, it should be noted that Hastings' fiance was killed by terrorists in Iraq, so he does have a personal stake in all this too.

Webs, I see Hastings as a guy who either doesn't understand counter-insurgency or a guy who wants to deliberately confuse the masses as to what it's all about. Beyond that, I agree with 90% of what he writes.

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November 26, 2010


America@war
[Greyhawk]
I think anyone who's ever pondered the "comment" option - once only available on blogs and bulletin boards, now ubiquitous on almost any web site - will appreciate this:
The so-called faculty of writing is not so much a faculty of writing as it is a faculty of thinking. When a man says, "I have an idea but I can't express it"; that man hasn't an idea but merely a vague feeling. If a man has a feeling of that kind, and will sit down for a half an hour and persistently try to put into writing what he feels, the probabilities are at least 90 percent that he will either be able to record it, or else realize that he has no idea at all. In either case, he will do himself a benefit.

That's wisdom from the past, captured for posterity at the US Naval Institute, shared via the web on the institute's 137th anniversary.

From their about page:

The Naval Institute shall remain

INDEPENDENT - A non-profit member association, with no government support, that does not lobby for special interests;

NON-PARTISAN - An independent, professional military association with a mission, goals and objectives that transcend political affiliations; and shall encourage

IDEAS - Through its respected journals Proceedings and Naval History, its conferences, its books and its online content, in support of those who serve.

"The Naval Institute has three core activities," among them, History and Preservation:

The Naval Institute also has recently introduced Americans at War, a living history of Americans at war in their own words and from their own experiences. These 90-second vignettes convey powerful stories of inspiration, pride, and patriotism.

Take a look at the collection, and you'll see it's not limited to accounts from those who served on ships at sea, members of the other branches are well-represented.

I'm fortunate to have met USNI's Mary Ripley, she's responsible for the institute's oral history program (and she's the daughter of the late John Ripley, whose story is told here). She also deserves much credit for their blog. ("We're not the Navy nor any government agency. Blog and comment freely.") We met at a milblog conference - Mary knew (and I would come to realize) that milbloggers are the 21st-century version of exactly what the US Naval Institute is all about. Once that light bulb came on in my head, I mentioned a vague idea for a project to her - milblogs as the 21st century oral history that they are.

"Put that in writing," she said (of course - see first paragraph above!) - and here's part of the result.

Shortly after the first tent was pitched by the American military in Iraq a wire was connected to a computer therein, and the internet was available to a generation of Americans at war - many of whom had grown up online. From that point on, at any given moment, somewhere in Iraq a Soldier, Sailor, Airman or Marine was at a keyboard sharing the events of his or her day with the folks back home. While most would simply fire off an email, others took advantage of the (then) relatively new online blogging platforms to post their thoughts and experiences for the entire world to see. The milblog was born - and from that moment to this stories detailing everything from the most mundane aspects of camp life to intense combat action (often described within hours of the event) have been available on the web...

And et cetera - but since you're reading this on a milblog, you probably knew that. And you know that milblogs aren't just blogs written by troops at war, that many friends, family members, and supporters likewise documented their story of America at war online in near-real time, as those stories developed.

The diversity in membership of that group is broad, the one thing we all have in common is the impulse to make sense of the seemingly senseless, and communicate the tale - for each of us that impulse was strong enough to overcome whatever barriers prevent the vast majority of people from doing the same. Everyone at some point has some vague idea they believe should be shared - we were the people who, from some combination of internal and external urging, found and spent those many half hours persistently trying to write it down.

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But where will all that be in another 137 years? Or five or ten, for that matter. That's something I've asked myself since at least 2004 - when I wrote this:

Closing Blogs is nothing new. So many site's owners just give up on their own. They come and go, you know, these MilBloggers do. Like any other sort of blogger. Many post in the lonely down hours far from home, spill their guts for the world, then abandon their spots when the tour of duty is up. They have lives again somewhere in the world, and no need to share the details. So it goes.

Many are truly gone - no site left at all. "The page cannot be found." Other blogs remain, like abandoned defensive positions in shifting desert sands.

Membership in the ghost battalion has grown in the years since, and an ever growing majority of those abandoned-but-still-standing sites are vanishing. Have you checked out Lt Smash's site lately? How about Sgt Hook's? If you're a long-time milblog reader you know the first widely-read milblog from Operation Iraq Freedom and the first widely-read milblog from Afghanistan are both gone from the web. If you're a relative newcomer to this world you may never even have heard of them - or the dozens upon dozens of others who carried forth the standard they set down.

If you have a vague notion that something should be done about that, (a notion I've heard expressed more than once...) then you and I and the good folks at the US Naval Institute are in agreement. Preserving the history documented by the milbloggers is just one of the goals of the milblog project, the once-vague idea that we're now making real.

And it's a big idea, if I say so myself - too big to explain in one simple blog post, so stand by for more. Likewise, it's too big a task to be accomplished by just one person. So if you're a milblogger (and exactly what is a milblogger? is a topic for much further discussion on its own) I'm asking for your help. All I'll really need is just a little bit (maybe just one or two of those half hours...) of your time, and your willingness to tell the tale.

We've already made history, it's time to save it.

(More to follow...)




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  • TF6S: Grey, those are good comments. I agree with everything you read more
  • Romeo13: Uhhh... as CENTCOM Patreus was in Command of Afganistan all read more
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Tending Distant
Fires


Far from hearth and home, watching
Cold alone but not alone
On distant shore and only wanting
Safe return and little more

What tales we'll tell
When that time comes
When tales can be told

When things grim
Seem far away
When other fires go cold

Some distant sunset, vision fading
Memories remain
And tired eyes gaze 'pon folded flags
While distant drums beat their refrain

Saluting fallen friends whose names
And youth will never fade
Here's to those on other shores,
for them live well, the price is paid

- Greyhawk,
Baghdad,
December 2004