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Greetings! You are reading an article from The Mudville Gazette. To reach the front page, with all the latest news and views, click the logo above or "main" below. Thanks for stopping by! March 14, 2010 Prelude to The PacificBy GreyhawkWhat better way to prepare for a miniseries about the Pacific theater in World War II than watching an original propaganda film used to inform the troops and the American public on the real thing? From the Wikipedia entry on Frank Capra's Why We Fight series: Why We Fight is a series of seven propaganda films commissioned by the United States government during World War II to demonstrate to American soldiers the reason for U.S. involvement in the war. Later on they were also shown to the general U.S. public to persuade them to support American involvement in the war. Most of the first 5 episodes dealt with Nazi Germany - the primary focus of US efforts in the early months of the war. Episode 6, "The Battle of China" was not released until 1944, years after America's entry into the war. Is the message being delivered that "we're fighting them because they're... 'different'"? If so, I'm missing it, but I put it here so others can make up their own minds. I'm not claiming this movie stands as a perfect representation of anything other than what official American war time propaganda was like - it's important that viewers today understand that, just as their parents and grandparents did. But the first thought that occurred to me while watching this film is that anyone who views just the first two minutes will know more about the people, land (including its location), and history of China than the average American knows of Afghanistan today. (The second thought was that any claim that the civilization that produced Sun Tzu "has never fought a war of aggression" in "four thousand years of continuous history" is one of those things I'd want a second opinion on.) But then again, Americans today can be told that "back in World War II, we viewed the Japanese as 'yellow, slant-eyed dogs'" and "wanted to annihilate them because they were different" and some will believe it without question. (And FWIW, this version of the film appears to be one with a message to an Australian audience appended - an excerpt appears in the thumbnail above.) Now for the bonus material - here's a quick look at a more "Hollywood" version of the war in the Pacific - the trailer from the 1943 20th Century Fox movie Guadalcanal Diary. The film was based on a book by reporter Richard Tregaskis - "one of only two journalists on location at Guadalcanal." And no matinee is complete without a cartoon, doc - so here's one from Warner Brothers. And from the U.S. Naval Institute: more historical background on The Pacific here. Previously (on The Pacific): How ignorance spreads. More Mudville entries on The Pacific here. Posted by Greyhawk / March 14, 2010 2:29 PM | Permalink 1 TrackBackWelcome to the Dawn Patrol, our daily roundup of information on the War on Terror and other topics - from the MilBlogs and various sources around the world. If you're a blogger, you can join the conversation. If you link to any of these stories, add a ... Read More 15 Comments |
November 26, 2010America@war [Greyhawk]
I think anyone who's ever pondered the "comment" option - once only available on blogs and bulletin boards, now ubiquitous on almost any web site - will appreciate this:
The so-called faculty of writing is not so much a faculty of writing as it is a faculty of thinking. When a man says, "I have an idea but I can't express it"; that man hasn't an idea but merely a vague feeling. If a man has a feeling of that kind, and will sit down for a half an hour and persistently try to put into writing what he feels, the probabilities are at least 90 percent that he will either be able to record it, or else realize that he has no idea at all. In either case, he will do himself a benefit. That's wisdom from the past, captured for posterity at the US Naval Institute, shared via the web on the institute's 137th anniversary. From their about page:
"The Naval Institute has three core activities," among them, History and Preservation: The Naval Institute also has recently introduced Americans at War, a living history of Americans at war in their own words and from their own experiences. These 90-second vignettes convey powerful stories of inspiration, pride, and patriotism. Take a look at the collection, and you'll see it's not limited to accounts from those who served on ships at sea, members of the other branches are well-represented. I'm fortunate to have met USNI's Mary Ripley, she's responsible for the institute's oral history program (and she's the daughter of the late John Ripley, whose story is told here). She also deserves much credit for their blog. ("We're not the Navy nor any government agency. Blog and comment freely.") We met at a milblog conference - Mary knew (and I would come to realize) that milbloggers are the 21st-century version of exactly what the US Naval Institute is all about. Once that light bulb came on in my head, I mentioned a vague idea for a project to her - milblogs as the 21st century oral history that they are. "Put that in writing," she said (of course - see first paragraph above!) - and here's part of the result. Shortly after the first tent was pitched by the American military in Iraq a wire was connected to a computer therein, and the internet was available to a generation of Americans at war - many of whom had grown up online. From that point on, at any given moment, somewhere in Iraq a Soldier, Sailor, Airman or Marine was at a keyboard sharing the events of his or her day with the folks back home. While most would simply fire off an email, others took advantage of the (then) relatively new online blogging platforms to post their thoughts and experiences for the entire world to see. The milblog was born - and from that moment to this stories detailing everything from the most mundane aspects of camp life to intense combat action (often described within hours of the event) have been available on the web... And et cetera - but since you're reading this on a milblog, you probably knew that. And you know that milblogs aren't just blogs written by troops at war, that many friends, family members, and supporters likewise documented their story of America at war online in near-real time, as those stories developed. The diversity in membership of that group is broad, the one thing we all have in common is the impulse to make sense of the seemingly senseless, and communicate the tale - for each of us that impulse was strong enough to overcome whatever barriers prevent the vast majority of people from doing the same. Everyone at some point has some vague idea they believe should be shared - we were the people who, from some combination of internal and external urging, found and spent those many half hours persistently trying to write it down. But where will all that be in another 137 years? Or five or ten, for that matter. That's something I've asked myself since at least 2004 - when I wrote this:
Membership in the ghost battalion has grown in the years since, and an ever growing majority of those abandoned-but-still-standing sites are vanishing. Have you checked out Lt Smash's site lately? How about Sgt Hook's? If you're a long-time milblog reader you know the first widely-read milblog from Operation Iraq Freedom and the first widely-read milblog from Afghanistan are both gone from the web. If you're a relative newcomer to this world you may never even have heard of them - or the dozens upon dozens of others who carried forth the standard they set down. If you have a vague notion that something should be done about that, (a notion I've heard expressed more than once...) then you and I and the good folks at the US Naval Institute are in agreement. Preserving the history documented by the milbloggers is just one of the goals of the milblog project, the once-vague idea that we're now making real. And it's a big idea, if I say so myself - too big to explain in one simple blog post, so stand by for more. Likewise, it's too big a task to be accomplished by just one person. So if you're a milblogger (and exactly what is a milblogger? is a topic for much further discussion on its own) I'm asking for your help. All I'll really need is just a little bit (maybe just one or two of those half hours...) of your time, and your willingness to tell the tale. We've already made history, it's time to save it. (More to follow...) Posted 4:02 PM | Permalink |
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I hope Mr. Hank's interviewed any of the surviving Bataan March soldiers. I'm sure they can relate to "Racism".
So, when Hollywood's Tom Hanks says "we viewed the Japanese as 'yellow, slant-eyed dogs'" and "wanted to annihilate them because they were different" - he's demonstrably right, as far as Hollywood goes - there's plenty of evidence of that. The rest of America? Not so much.
I'd also like to know if Mr. Hanks interviewed any of the survivors of civilian internment camps in Borneo and other SE Asian localities. IIRC, the survivor ratio was about 50%.
I fear it may come as a bit of a shock to Mr. Hanks and many other Hollywoodoids - that other ethnic groups might display racist tendencies which would put our own impulses in the shade, so to speak.
Hi there, fellow Korea vet!
Instead of going back 60+ years to slander Asians, maybe we should be looking at the modern day torturer who put anything the Japanese might have done to shame: George W. Bush. Bush should be immediately given a fair trial and then convicted as a war criminal, along with Cheney, Rove, Ashcroft, Rumsfeld, and so on. Bush started two illegal wars without justification or provaocation, simply because the other people are Muslims who read the Koran instead of being Bible-thumping Jesus freaks, and that they are not white was also a nice bonus to Bush and his cronies, who were more interested in making their pals at Big Oil, Haliburton, Blackwater, Wall Street, and the insurance companies rich.
I think there has been more than enough "Jap" slandering. Plus, let's not forget that we dropped two atomic bombs on them because of racism. Isn't it obvious since we did not drop any on whitey Germany?
Too bad you didn't have the internet back in 2004, kid. That stuff worked back then.
"Slant-eyed yellow dogs?" My Pit Bull bitch is a slant-eyed yellow dog and I resent lumping her with the Former Japanese Empire.
By all means, consider how this criminal enterprise meaquerading as a nation conducted itself when reviewing the Why We Fight series and wartime films in general.
Max Hatings' Retributiuon: The Battle for Japan is a good place to start, and provides valuable insights concerning non-American victims of Japanese barbarism.
It is not going too far to say that U.S. propaganda was no more than factual, and perhaps restrained under the circumstances.
"no more than factual, and perhaps restrained under the circumstances"
The figures cited in that film for the Rape of Nanking - 40k murdered, are now considered extremely low (except by some Japanese scholars).
When I was in Korea in the 80s the intense hatred for the Japanese was still very real and personal, with living memory of everyone over 45 years old contributing greatly to that.
My dad fought the Pacific War in this ship.
The picture included is his ship 10 days before I was born. He was involved in the Battle for Okinawa. Mom is still alive and tells me what she remembers of dad's stories. And of course I remember some on my own.
Just looking at that makes me appreciate the guys who had to spend so much time in so little space.
What you do not want to yourself, do not so unto others.
Pretty much a universal truth.
Just finished premire episode of The Pacific. What a bunch of leftist crap! insulting to every single member of the Pacific Theater Operations, makes us to be blood-lust killers, unsure of why we are there, and disrespect to superior officers. Hidden "alternative" lifestyles, only thing missing was an on-camera shot of a GI kicking an animal!
What utter nonsense. I will not be contributing to any Nielsen scoring for this one's continuing episodes.
I'd be willing to guess that we didn't drop any racist atomic bombs on "whitey Germany" because the weapon wasn't tested until over two months after "whitey Germany" had surrendered.
People who are going to make the accusation should first learn the history:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trinity_(nuclear_test)
'Empire of the Sun'
Fictionalised autobiography of
J. G. Ballard; All you need
to know about East vs West
in the Pacific.
One of my uncles explained it
to me this way:
'You hear a lot about how bad the
Nazis and the Japs were; Well
the U.S. soldiers were just as
bad, once you got them riled up,
and the blue-eyed ones were
the worst.
Here's looking at you, Liberals :)
P.S. It is a damn good thing for
the U.S. that Hitler's insanities
included both antisemitism and
a bias against technology, else
antipodal bombers would have been
nuking our cities just before we
surrendered to the Third Reich.
---NOT the time for yet more 'state of the art'
PC treatments of seen-to-death WWII themes.
VERY MUCH the time for Hollywood to be coming
clean about its own decades of enmeshment and
franchise-slum enabling with the most awesomely
genocidal regime in ALLLLL human history
---in their 'fave' mass market mark
---ACROSS the Pacific
---esp. on this, the 60th Anniversary
of the epic and STILL unfolding and
once again --- mysteriously 'overlooked'
---KOREAN WAR...
AMEN