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Greetings! You are reading an article from The Mudville Gazette. To reach the front page, with all the latest news and views, click the logo above or "main" below. Thanks for stopping by! March 9, 2010 Stop the Goodwar , I wanna get offBy GreyhawkHouse liberals force vote on pullout from Afghanistan. Almost forgot this was an election year. The resolution, which has 16 co-sponsors, calls for the United States to remove all of its troops from Afghanistan in 30 days -- or by the end of the year, if it is determined that trying to do so in a month would be too dangerous. There's no point discussing the resolution itself on serious terms. If there was, my first question would be 'don't they know the capabilities of the US military? Do they really not know whether or not such a thing can be done in the time frame they describe?' "We haven't had a real debate," Kucinich said in explaining why he was pushing the resolution. "We want to light the fire of the American peace movement." (And, he added, "get out of there!") Let's give Kucinich the benefit of the doubt and assume he's only pretending to be stupid here, too. The odds that he doesn't know the whereabouts of the American "peace" movement are slim. (Hey, if he wants to bring out the buses and round some up it won't be too hard to find them - many former members are now busy installing insulation and weather-proofing homes as part of the president's "Green Jobs" program. Hey, keeps them off the streets, you know?) And debate is all well and good - though it seems we have one on Afghanistan every few months - each beginning with a claim that it's the first. But (just a thought here) how about learning a little about the subject matter prior to introducing legislation regarding it? If your intent was actually to debate the topic and achieve a reasonable conclusion you'd actually sound informed on the topic going in. Update: well, isn't this (via Glenn Reynolds) interesting: The emails show that the Department of Energy and the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) coordinated their response to a damning Spanish report on "green jobs" with wind industry lobbyists and the Center for American Progress (the progressive think tank founded by John Podesta and funded by George Soros). Gosh, seems like just yesterday Soros was more interested in funding the anti-war movement than developing Green Energy... funny how so many of the old "anti-war" crowd are cashing in (with your cash now, dear taxpayer, not Georgie's) on "green jobs." "Funny" as in funny how the wars are still ongoing, too. Sans any real protest, of course. And... ![]() ...yeah, that's just about right for a close. For now. Next: Don't turn out the lights Posted by Greyhawk / March 9, 2010 10:00 AM | Permalink TrackBackTrackBack URL: http://www.mudvillegazette.com/cgi-bin/mt/mt-tb.cgi/17464 13 CommentsLeave a comment |
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Interesting how the very people that believe the US military couldn't win the war in Iraq, couldn't win hearts and minds in Iraq or Afghanistan, and can't kill a single enemy in Afghanistan without killing a dozen COB's, are the very same people that think they can snap their fingers and evacuate every soldier, Marine, MRAP, Stryker and piece of gear in 30 days.
I hate to admit it, but after reading too much of Michael Yon's writing, I have come to the same conclusion -- Afghanistan is no longer worth the American lives being lost there.
Damn shame there's only one guy writing about Afghanistan these days.
I agree. But I do not think Yon wants me to draw the conclusion that I do from his writing. Generally, he wants to show how wonderful our troops are and I agree with him. I think they are too wonderful to send them off to die for Afghanistan, for people I do not think are worth it.
I agree with Kucinich. I want to light the "peace" movement on fire.
I've got a match and some gasoline I'll spare for that cause.
No oil for blood!!
Good old American jacketed lead should suffice...
Not sure what exactly you're saying in the first paragraph (other then they're idiots for even proposing).
Would it be possible? Should they have found out before proposing the resolution? Do you think they should know?
On first, I don't know. On second, I don't see a problem with the resolution in the sense that they're saying this is what we want, but here's acceptable "compromise" X. On the third, I think that's unreasonable. If pulling all our troops and equipment out in 30 days is possible, it would be a massive operation. To be fair, I'd be highly suspect of anyone not currently in the military telling me they knew the answer to that question. Frankly, I'd be highly suspect of someone currently in the military answering the question off the top of their head.
The proposal is stupid, and I think short sighted. But hey, it's their right. Sadly, it's what makes us the "good guys".
The only way you could get all our troops out of Afghanistan on anything like the timetable insisted upon would be to leave ALL our equipment behind. That would be the equivalent of throwing down our weapons and RUNNING from the battlefield. My guess is that very few Americans would be pleased by that image and none should (note I say "should") want that image seen by those who mean us harm.
Why should it be any surprise that they're proposing a resolution without having studied it first? We're in some danger of having 1/6th of the US Economy being taken under government control and according to the Speaker of the House "We'll have to pass the law so YOU can find out what's in it". I don't know whether a match and gasoline is required to bring this congress (intentionally uncapitalized as unworthy of respect), but I'm pretty sure tar and feathers is.
C'mon, there's no pretending to it. Kucinich is a certifiable idiot.
Having attended a fruitcake State U in the great Northwest, I'm fluent in peacenik-ese. Let me translate:"We haven't had a real debate about Afghanistan" means "I'm not winning this argument, so therefore the endless debates we've had thus far aren't *real*. I mean, isn't it obvious? If these were real debates, I'd be winning."
And there'd be rainbows coming out of my butt.
It's all tautological. "Real" is defined as Dennis Kucinich's argument prevailing. "Smart" "Good" "Patriotic" "Green" all mean: Leftism wins.
It's like arguing with a 5-year old.
I live in Ohio. Trust me, anything proposed by Dennis Kookcinich is going to be idiotic.