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Greetings! You are reading an article from The Mudville Gazette. To reach the front page, with all the latest news and views, click the logo above or "main" below. Thanks for stopping by! December 5, 2009 A fat lip?By GreyhawkOr a black eye for the DoD? ![]() A third-phase U.S. Navy student in Basic Underwater Demolition/SEAL training fires his rifle down range during a night live-fire exercise on San Clemente Island, Calif., Dec. 3, 2009. The third phase of the training focuses on land warfare and includes training in pistol, rifle, demolitions and tactical movement. U.S. Navy photo by Petty Officer 3rd Class Blake R. Midnight. (Click image for high-res version.) "What kind of a message are we sending to our troops in the field when they do their duty, risk their lives, capture a terrorist... one of the top ten terrorists - and we're going to court martial them?" Rep Dan Burton (R-In) asks Admiral Mullen a somewhat off-topic question during the House Foreign Affairs Committee Hearing on Afghanistan Strategy last Wednesday: And that's not the end of it. The AP reports "Lawmakers are seeking a reprieve for three Navy SEALs facing court-martial because one allegedly punched a suspect after arresting him for an ambush killing of U.S. contractors in Iraq." The full text of the letter from Rep. Duncan Hunter (R-Calif) to Secretary Gates is here. It concludes: It appears from all accounts that these SEALs are exceptional sailors, demonstrated by the fact that each had recently been advanced in rank. They captured a terrorist who had planned an attack that not only killed Americans but also maimed and mutilated their bodies. We believe that prosecution of these sailors for such an apparently limited action will have a negative impact on others in the military who risk their lives in dangerous, often ambiguous situation. Again, we strongly believe that these court-martial proceedings are not warranted and would urge that you review this matter. The admiral might have been caught off guard by Burton's question, and he has to be extremely careful how he phrases an answer - undue command influence is an issue here. (This kept senior leadership mostly quiet beyond vague statements while the Abu Ghraib court martial process was ongoing, too.) But I think "there's more to the story than has been reported so far" would have been a fair response (assuming there is) and I only heard a hint of that here. I agree completely with the admiral on the point of faith in subordinates to do the right thing, but there's a difference between micro-managing and awareness, and that response sounds like one from somebody on the wrong side of that line. I agree with what little the admiral said, I just wish he'd said a little more, because I agree with this quote from Rep Burton, too: I think if the Germans in World War Two had killed and mutilated American troops and hung them from a bridge, and somebody busted them in the mouth when they captured them they wouldn't have been court-martialed. Elsewhere: Surber: Dan Burton stands up for the SEALs Gateway: Powerful Ad - "Support The Persecuted Navy Seals" (Video) Riehl: House Republicans Seek Reprieve For Navy SEALs Posted by Greyhawk / December 5, 2009 11:38 AM | Permalink 1 TrackBackWelcome to the Dawn Patrol, our daily roundup of information on the War on Terror and other topics - from the MilBlogs and various sources around the world. If you're a blogger, you can join the conversation. If you link to any of these stories, add a ... Read More 5 Comments |
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In World War ][ in the Pacific Theatre the Japanese were known for mutilating fallen soldiers. While the Allies did not respond in kind, they didn't feel the need to take prisoners anymore, either.
These Sailors do their shipmates a great favor by shining a light on those in the command structure still stuck on stupid.
Maybe the SEALs should spend a little less time training on "land warfare" and a little more training on the US Constitution and the rights accorded to the accused.
Killermanjaro, unlawful combatants have no rights under the US Constitution. Perhaps you should read it.
Neither do they have any rights under the Geneva Conventions. Only specially trained, highly educated jurists can find those rights. A plain ordinary reading of the conventions fails utterly to reveal them. They're apparently written in a pecial invisible ink visible only to the enlightened.
As long as the SEALs are going to be spending as much time in court as they are on the battlefield they probably ought to get a proportionate amnount of training on legal combat.
I agree it's a horrible idea - but it's made necessary by other horrible ideas currently in favor in DC.
And it's the SEALs who I meant by "the accused".
Donate to run the killer ad that SupportTheSEALS is running...
It ran here in Omaha last night and made blood shoot out of my eyes. If every American saw this powerful ad, there would be 100,000 people on The Mall tomorrow morning and the charges would be dropped.