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November 27, 2009

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Mission accomplishable

By Greyhawk

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General McChrystal met American lawmakers in Afghanistan this week, and told them "he believed that the mission was accomplishable".

Some of the lawmakers pressed McChrystal on Obama's lengthy decision-making, but the general described it as a "thoughtful process and wouldn't go any further," Price said. "I was a little surprised he didn't voice frustration with the delay."

"The visit could serve as a bellwether of how much support Obama will receive from congressional Republicans when he makes his announcement about the next phase of the war in Afghanistan on Tuesday night at West Point."

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Republican support for President Obama's Afghanistan decisions is crucial - and that places the President in an awkward position. Support for the war from Democrats has plunged; according to a recent Quinnipiac poll 58% felt "the U.S. should not be involved in Afghanistan now". The same November 18 poll indicated only 38% of Americans approve of the way Barack Obama is handling the situation in Afghanistan - a figure reinforced by results from a November 24 USA Today/Gallup poll. "Approval of Obama on Afghan war dives" read the headline appearing in newspaper kiosks, hotel rooms and airports nationwide - "55% disapprove of the way he is handling Afghanistan and 35% approve, a reversal of his 56% approval rating four months ago."

It's not likely that Obama is enjoying outperforming President Bush in this regard - but even though Democratic support for President Bush and the Iraq war plunged rapidly and immediately in 2003 it would take a full year after the fall of the Hussein regime before overall support for the president on Iraq dipped below 50% permanently.

But to the delight of Democrats (Harry Reid: "We're going to pick up Senate seats as a result of this war") and horror of many Republicans...

Key Republicans said they expected a new strategy the the coming fall after Petraeus reported to Congress.

"I'm not going to dime the guy," the President later told me, declining to elaborate on what McConnell had said privately. "There was a lot of members that were sending signals, some directly to me. So I don't want to speak about a single guy. But I was getting word from all the senior team that were getting pinged by members that were saying, 'Petraeus better pull out,' 'We'd better do this,' 'We'd better do that.' 'Progress can only be made if fewer troops are there,' was kind of the attitude.

...even as support for the effort fell to its lowest point President Bush declined to let public opinion drive military strategy:

"I understand the politics of war, and I will listen to these allies and friends. But for me, the overriding concern is to succeed in Iraq. These political concerns are short-term compared to the long-term consequences of failure. And I would, from my perspective, I am more than willing to sacrifice short-term popularity to do what is absolutely right, so that in the long term, people will say, 'Now I understand why he made the decision he made."
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While the results might seem counter-intuitive in light of his even more rapidly plunging support, President Obama seems less inclined than his predecessor to ignore the favor of the American voting public, and the resulting pressure from more vulnerable members of Congress.

It's safe - to the point of inanity - to say that all polls indicate a divided American electorate. Beyond that they leave much to interpretation, and acting on interpretation means risk. But generally leaders lead and followers choose sides and risk is part of the equation. And while it's a difficult political trick to be all things to all people all of the time, the New York Times assures us that Obama's Afghan Strategy Will Contain Messages to Several Audiences, even though the story contains this cautionary note: "as Mr. Obama's own aides concede, the messages directed at some may undercut the messages sent to others."

As for what might follow, we'll see what happens after Americans get polled again.

(But part two is here.)

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FIFY from Mudville Gazette on December 3, 2009 10:25 AM

...or "Look on my works, ye Mighty, and despair!" ***** CBS (or maybe Obama or Gibbs): "Troops WILL start coming home in July 2011. Period. It's etched in stone." Better: "Troops will START coming home in July 2011. Period. It's etched in stone." So th... Read More

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Something tells me sly old General McChrystal outfoxed President Lightworker: namely, McChrystal simply asked for twice as many troops as he thought he really needed. In the end, "Mr. Dithers" fell into a trap and not only gave McChrystal what he needed, but also several thousand more troops to spare.

McChrystal knows that "nothing succeeds like success." Therefore, if he has a political goal (which he almost certainly does), success in Afghanistan will produce the interesting result of making Obama and the Donks look good...while making them also look like idiots at the same time. Citizens will likely soon be asking an obvious and uncomfortable question: "Well, now that McChrystal has turned things around in Afghanistan, just why did Obama take so f***ing long to give him what he needed to win?"

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March 19, 2010


Dawn Patrol 03/19/2003
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"Welcome to the Dawn Patrol, our daily roundup of information on the War on Terror and other topics - from the MilBlogs and various sources around the world."

Mudville was founded in March, 2003. Our efforts to bring the thoughts, words, and deeds of milbloggers to a wider world evolved to become The Dawn Patrol in March, 2005. With today's entry we're going to reset the clock - but not re-write the history - and recreate the world as it was - on a day the world changed...

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(More front pages here.)

Updating... more to follow....

MILBOGS

Andrew Olmsted, 19 Mar 2003, Stateside: It would appear that the liberation of Iraq has begun.

Greyhawk, 18 Mar 2003, Germany: A united world could have, just maybe, brought down Saddam without firing a shot. We will never know. 19 Mar: We'll never know what a united world could have achieved... the UN could not agree on anything, the situation degenerated, and here we are. Status quo was not working. The French were too desperate for oil and trade at any cost. Well-intentioned Americans were led into the streets by Communists (and others) with an agenda. The media distorted the split. Many in America and abroad thought they could manipulate the situation to their personal gain. They miscalculated. The fire is lit.

Pontifx ex Machina, 18 Mar, undisclosed location: Rolling out the gate, the guard gets a quick "hook-em, horns" sign as we weave through the barricades. Then we're off, cruising through the desert in a battered-up SUV. On the eve of war, only one thing passes through our minds: is there going to be any appropriate music on the radio?

Lt Smash, 19 Mar, undisclosed location: Read the President's speech today. The clock is ticking.

Chief Wiggles, 22 Mar, Kuwait: The war started Wednesday morning for us right after the president gave a speech to the American people that lasted about 4 minutes. We were all very anxious for this whole thing to be either over or get it on its way.

Will, 22 Mar, en route: I am going to Baghdad to personally shoot that paper hanging son of a bitch!

Lt Smash 20 Mar, undisclosed location:
From: Public Works Department
To: Saddam Hussein
Subj: BLASTING OPERATIONS IN YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD

Sgt Stryker, 20 Mar, Stateside: Iraq to File U.N. Complaint About Attack

Primary Main Objective, 30 Mar, undisclosed location I Dare Kofi to Come Get Me.

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BruceR, Flit, 19 Mar, Canada: AND SO IT BEGINS. Godspeed, Yanks. Come home safe and soon.

Andrew Olmsted, 20 Mar 2003, Stateside: The most important thing to remember over the next few days is this: the first reports are almost always inaccurate. First reports are generally submitted in the heat of battle before any real analysis can take place. Therefore, they're highly subjective, based on limited information, and rarely hit the mark. So as the first reports of 'surgical strikes' on Iraqi forces come in, it's best to take those reports with a grain of salt...

Iraqi Blogs

Salam Pax, Baghdad: The bombing aould come and go in waves, nothing too heavy and not yet comparable to what was going on in 91. all radio and TV stations are still on and while the air raid began the Iraqi TV was showing patriotic songs and didn't even bother to inform viewers that we are under attack. at the moment they are re-airing yesterday's interview with the minister of interior affairs. THe sounds of the anti-aircarft artillery is still louder than the booms and bangs which means that they are still far from where we live, but the images we saw on Al Arabia news channel showed a building burning near one of my aunts house...

American Blogs

Glenn Reynold's has a ton of links.

Newpapers

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(The Dawn Patrol's Archives are here.)



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