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November 12, 2009

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Zero Tolerance

By Greyhawk

While the Army may have fumbled the case of Major Nidal Hasan, they certainly didn't have as much difficulty dealing with CJ Grisham.

CJ's crime was opposing a uniform policy at his kids' school - and writing about it on his blog.


"Ugly" is too easy a word for it. Eventually "Jennifer Scott, V.P. membership J.E. Williams Elementary School" published a defense ("An Open Letter") of the actions taken against CJ that includes this bizarre passage:

This has moved beyond a uniform issue, this had became a personal vendetta between everyone. Mr. Grisham felt as if his Constitutional rights were violated. I ask you the question call me a liberal or tratior to our country if you must, but how many others rights were violated during interogations? How many of them were innocent? I am not ignorant to what goes on during war by any means. I know first hand how they rape and toture their male captives, I've seen the physical wounds that many civilians would not believe.

"I hope you feel as if you achevied your personal victory," she added, "I feel empathy toward you, regarding the inner turmoil you are going through (yes i am refering to your PTSD) I know about the nightmares and terrors as I have seen them first hand from team members. I do not think you are crazy just a person with too many memories on their mind, I hope they fade in time."

Perhaps they will - but here's CJ's wife Emily explaining some of what her family experienced (you wouldn't expect people like that to leave the kids alone, would you?) to Greta Perry on WIST radio:


(Click here if above audio player does not appear in your browser.)

CJ has always been up front about his PTSD, and has even written extensively about it, and his reasons for being very public about it:

But, there came a point where I felt very hypocritical telling my Soldiers it's okay to seek help for mental health issues while I was still hiding my own. Truth be told, there were many people who weren't fooled by my acting. How can I, as a First Sergeant or a Senior NCO, tell my Soldiers to do something I wasn't willing to do myself? So, in June, I wrote "One Step At A Time" making my commitment to my troops - and myself - public.

One of the things I wanted to do was convince troops out there that it's okay to seek help. The Army has made a very public plea to troops to get help without worrying about their jobs. I promised to document this here and I plan to do so honestly and openly.

But comments like Ms. Scott's are what CJ was up against from the beginning of his opposition to a school uniform policy - a campaign waged against him in public and through his chain of command, in spite of the fact that this was never anything other than a civilian issue.

One might expect a commander to politely explain that to the PTA pitch fork brigade, right?

Wrong.

How is it that a Army Major can make treasonous remarks and still hold his job and then go and murder 13 people, but CJ tries to exercise his rights of free speech and then gets his life turned upside down? What the hell is this about? How can this happen?

Good question. But America need no longer fear the threat to school uniform policies posed by CJ's milblog, he's shutting it down.



Posted by Greyhawk / November 12, 2009 2:35 PM | Permalink

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Milblog silence from Mudville Gazette on December 16, 2009 1:56 PM

Link Free speech from those who help make it possible - since 2003, the motto of the MilBlogs Ring. Comments are disabled here, too. You aren't allowed to speak today. ***** Previously: The Extreme (part one) The Extreme (part two) Zero Tolerance... Read More

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I wonder if Jennifer Scott can spell "illiterate" or "ungrammatical"? Forget the content of what she's written, what is she doing anywhere near a school with such dismal language skills? Then do take a look at the content of her little screed -- What the heck do "interogations", rape and "toture" have to do with the school uniform policy? -- and ask what she's doing anywhere near military dependents. Those poor kids must feel her oozing contempt for their parents every day. Just. Plain. Disgusting.

My best to First Sergeant Grisham and his family, I hope this works out for them and they don't have to take any more BS from nitwits like Ms. Scott.

[Now I'll carefully proofread this, but I'm sure Muphry's Law will get me nontheless.]

Ms. Jennifer Dombrowski-Scott doesn't make much sense at all in her "Open Letter" post on the Facebook page. Unbelievable!

CJ and Emily, I just have to tell you... I've been reading CJ's blog since forever, and a more honorable man would be hard to find. I have nothing but the utmost respect and gratitude for the both of you. I am so sorry that you are going through this. I wish I could do something to help you. All I can think of is to pray harder, and more often for you both. I've already had you on my list since CJ wrote that very moving post in June. Just know that there are many, many, many more like myself who honor and respect you, and are totally grateful for you.

And GH, SIR, you are linked by the estimable Instapundit, as you probably already know. (smile)

Your interpretation of the article at http://www.bouhammer.com is incorrect.

You say:
"One might expect a commander to politely explain that to the PTA pitch fork brigade, right?"

I say:
Bouhammer is not a commander, not CJ's commander, he's a fellow NCO, retired, and your quote is completely out of context. Please read his post again...

Bouhammer:
'After watching and reading all of that I am sure you will agree with me that there has been a terrible injustice done to CJ, Emily and their kids.'

I think you owe someone an apology.

Reading Comprehension lacking. The author didn't suggest Bouhammer did anything other than stick up for his fellow soldier. An apology is unneeded.

Joel
Read Tokin42's comment.

da kine
Consider this an introductory post. Bouhammer has more, CJ has more, including video of a meeting he attended at the school. When he posted that video (which demonstrated he wasn't threatening or using his rank in any way in association with his story) he was attacked because in one scene you could see the child of a PTA member. He took the video down, edited out the scene where the kid was in the frame, and put it back up. (Some of that is referenced in the response CJ wrote to that Facebook post.)

It would take me a week to write a post documenting every detail of this story. PTSD is just one small part of it. Bad behavior of the PTA is part. But the unforgivable part is the Army took the easy way out and turned on CJ as a result of unceasing efforts of people like Jennifer Scott.

Guys, why let the chain of command or anyone else - except perhaps your wife and really close friends - know about your inner struggles? If you do, you can be sure of only one thing : the info you helpfully provide will be used against you eventually.

Who wants to live the rest of his life with a "PTSD" mark branded on his forehead? They will never understand and it is none of their business anyway.

You might want to re-write this post. I have no idea what the problem is, what facts are disputed, who the players are, what PTSD has to do with it or...anything. I'm going over to Bouhammer to find out, but that sorta defeats the purpose, no?

I know first hand how they rape and toture their male captives

Am I reading this correctly? Did she mean she knows "firsthand" or does she not know what that implies?

First hand knowledge means that the person was present at the interrogations. I would like to know if the author of the statement was actually there and participated or witnessed these interrogations. I can't believe that the author was anywhere near them or that any American interrogator would rape a captive to humiliate them. Rape is an very strong charge and I would like the author to provide proof of these rapes. John Chalus Former USN SEAL and Vietnam Vet.

And for additional clarity: CJ shutting down his blog is the least of the punishment he's experiencing as a result of daring to debate a school uniform policy.

It's possible that these fine people of the Harper Valley PTA have merely bought into the popularized image of the PTSD vet as murderous psycho. It's more likely that they thought if they couldn't get him to shut up his command could. Turns out on the second point they were right.

The case for home schooling grows stronger by the day.

And our kids are in the public school... why? I am home schooled, and, take it from me, it is the best think you can do for your kids. I was in public school for two years; now, after eight years of being taught at home, I plan on finishing college by the time I am twenty. I have gotten my education in a conservative (no secular crap) and Christian environment, and that is something I will thank my parents for as long as I live! This article epitomizes the unbelievable state of public schools: http://www.steynonline.com/content/view/2628/28/, please read, then tell me I'm not correct. The state has absolutely NO right to educate our children for us!!

A nation can survive it's fools, and even the ambitious, but it cannot survive treason from within...... -Cicero

Boy, what times. CJ is treated differently because he is white. He received less justice and rights than Khalid Sheik Mohammed is about to get. Something is very upside down here.

When people hate those who defend them, and sympathize with those who would kill them, you have naion-wide sociopathy.

Jordan

In the pictures I see of Nidal Hasan he looks white.

But oddly enough, both cases could be the result of weak leadership.

Might I just add, I've been following this since day one and I want you all to think about the fact that the school principal and PTA members are going to CJ's employer. If you were a cubicle rat for Bear Stearns, or a Walmart cashier, or a surgeon at the local hospital, do you think a school would DARE call your bosses and pitch a fit or if they did, your bosses would even give them the time of day because it has NOTHING to do with your job??

Total bullsh*t.

A slight tangent, but along the "zero tolerance" highway, do any other servicemembers remember all the GMT about "zero tolerance" for hate group particiapation, such as skin heads, neo-nazis, white power, etc? Perhaps instead of "terrorists" we should just call jihadis members of a hate group, then maybe the rantings and ravings of one such as Maj. Hasan woul dhave been reported.

Wow. Unbelievable.

Where is the district/council, state and or national PTA on this? This is completely inappropriate and unjust action by a PTA board, and should be dealt with. Has anyone tried to move this issue up the PTA chain? I can't be hopeful that they'd be useful, but you never know, particularly the national organization.

Neal Boortz suggests that, every year, one homeowners' association board should be selected at random, and then taken out and shot.

Looks like we need to add PTAs to that list.

"Hey teacher, leave them kids alone...!

"All in all you're just another brick in the wall...."

Unbelievable.
Ms. Scott is one hateful *itch.
Positive thoughts and prayers for the Grisham family and hope that the Army sees the huge error they have made.

wonderful
The case for home schooling grows stronger by the day.

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November 26, 2010


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I think anyone who's ever pondered the "comment" option - once only available on blogs and bulletin boards, now ubiquitous on almost any web site - will appreciate this:
The so-called faculty of writing is not so much a faculty of writing as it is a faculty of thinking. When a man says, "I have an idea but I can't express it"; that man hasn't an idea but merely a vague feeling. If a man has a feeling of that kind, and will sit down for a half an hour and persistently try to put into writing what he feels, the probabilities are at least 90 percent that he will either be able to record it, or else realize that he has no idea at all. In either case, he will do himself a benefit.

That's wisdom from the past, captured for posterity at the US Naval Institute, shared via the web on the institute's 137th anniversary.

From their about page:

The Naval Institute shall remain

INDEPENDENT - A non-profit member association, with no government support, that does not lobby for special interests;

NON-PARTISAN - An independent, professional military association with a mission, goals and objectives that transcend political affiliations; and shall encourage

IDEAS - Through its respected journals Proceedings and Naval History, its conferences, its books and its online content, in support of those who serve.

"The Naval Institute has three core activities," among them, History and Preservation:

The Naval Institute also has recently introduced Americans at War, a living history of Americans at war in their own words and from their own experiences. These 90-second vignettes convey powerful stories of inspiration, pride, and patriotism.

Take a look at the collection, and you'll see it's not limited to accounts from those who served on ships at sea, members of the other branches are well-represented.

I'm fortunate to have met USNI's Mary Ripley, she's responsible for the institute's oral history program (and she's the daughter of the late John Ripley, whose story is told here). She also deserves much credit for their blog. ("We're not the Navy nor any government agency. Blog and comment freely.") We met at a milblog conference - Mary knew (and I would come to realize) that milbloggers are the 21st-century version of exactly what the US Naval Institute is all about. Once that light bulb came on in my head, I mentioned a vague idea for a project to her - milblogs as the 21st century oral history that they are.

"Put that in writing," she said (of course - see first paragraph above!) - and here's part of the result.

Shortly after the first tent was pitched by the American military in Iraq a wire was connected to a computer therein, and the internet was available to a generation of Americans at war - many of whom had grown up online. From that point on, at any given moment, somewhere in Iraq a Soldier, Sailor, Airman or Marine was at a keyboard sharing the events of his or her day with the folks back home. While most would simply fire off an email, others took advantage of the (then) relatively new online blogging platforms to post their thoughts and experiences for the entire world to see. The milblog was born - and from that moment to this stories detailing everything from the most mundane aspects of camp life to intense combat action (often described within hours of the event) have been available on the web...

And et cetera - but since you're reading this on a milblog, you probably knew that. And you know that milblogs aren't just blogs written by troops at war, that many friends, family members, and supporters likewise documented their story of America at war online in near-real time, as those stories developed.

The diversity in membership of that group is broad, the one thing we all have in common is the impulse to make sense of the seemingly senseless, and communicate the tale - for each of us that impulse was strong enough to overcome whatever barriers prevent the vast majority of people from doing the same. Everyone at some point has some vague idea they believe should be shared - we were the people who, from some combination of internal and external urging, found and spent those many half hours persistently trying to write it down.

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But where will all that be in another 137 years? Or five or ten, for that matter. That's something I've asked myself since at least 2004 - when I wrote this:

Closing Blogs is nothing new. So many site's owners just give up on their own. They come and go, you know, these MilBloggers do. Like any other sort of blogger. Many post in the lonely down hours far from home, spill their guts for the world, then abandon their spots when the tour of duty is up. They have lives again somewhere in the world, and no need to share the details. So it goes.

Many are truly gone - no site left at all. "The page cannot be found." Other blogs remain, like abandoned defensive positions in shifting desert sands.

Membership in the ghost battalion has grown in the years since, and an ever growing majority of those abandoned-but-still-standing sites are vanishing. Have you checked out Lt Smash's site lately? How about Sgt Hook's? If you're a long-time milblog reader you know the first widely-read milblog from Operation Iraq Freedom and the first widely-read milblog from Afghanistan are both gone from the web. If you're a relative newcomer to this world you may never even have heard of them - or the dozens upon dozens of others who carried forth the standard they set down.

If you have a vague notion that something should be done about that, (a notion I've heard expressed more than once...) then you and I and the good folks at the US Naval Institute are in agreement. Preserving the history documented by the milbloggers is just one of the goals of the milblog project, the once-vague idea that we're now making real.

And it's a big idea, if I say so myself - too big to explain in one simple blog post, so stand by for more. Likewise, it's too big a task to be accomplished by just one person. So if you're a milblogger (and exactly what is a milblogger? is a topic for much further discussion on its own) I'm asking for your help. All I'll really need is just a little bit (maybe just one or two of those half hours...) of your time, and your willingness to tell the tale.

We've already made history, it's time to save it.

(More to follow...)




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Tending Distant
Fires


Far from hearth and home, watching
Cold alone but not alone
On distant shore and only wanting
Safe return and little more

What tales we'll tell
When that time comes
When tales can be told

When things grim
Seem far away
When other fires go cold

Some distant sunset, vision fading
Memories remain
And tired eyes gaze 'pon folded flags
While distant drums beat their refrain

Saluting fallen friends whose names
And youth will never fade
Here's to those on other shores,
for them live well, the price is paid

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