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Greetings! You are reading an article from The Mudville Gazette. To reach the front page, with all the latest news and views, click the logo above or "main" below. Thanks for stopping by! November 10, 2009 You love life and we love deathBy GreyhawkWho said the quote in the headline?
Answer below...
Another chapter from early Islamic history -- serving as a lesson for today's Muslims at war against the West -- is the concept of the love of death. This originated at the Battle of Qadisiyya in the year 636, when the commander of the Muslim forces, Khalid ibn Al-Walid, sent an emissary with a message from Caliph Abu Bakr to the Persian commander, Khosru. The message stated: "You [Khosru and his people] should convert to Islam, and then you will be safe, for if you don't, you should know that I have come to you with an army of men that love death, as you love life." This account is recited in today's Muslim sermons, newspapers, and textbooks. Including a terrorist after the March, 2004 Madrid bombings. "You love life and we love death, which gives an example of what the Prophet Muhammad said. If you don't stop your injustices, more and more blood will flow and these attacks will seem very small compared to what can occur in what you call terrorism.George Bush actually flubbed the line a bit: There is no dividing line -- there is a dividing line in our world, not between nations, and not between religions or cultures, but a dividing line separating two visions of justice and the value of life. On a tape claiming responsibility for the atrocities in Madrid, a man is heard to say, "We choose death, while you choose life." We don't know if this is the voice of the actual killers, but we do know it expresses the creed of the enemy. It's been used other times too - and recently by Nidal Hasan:
What conclusion can you draw from that bullet point? None whatsoever - unless you actually heard the presentation (and anyone who was awake for slide 47 was probably very much alone). I'm not going to defend the guy - there's a ton of available good evidence for who he was and what he did and why he did it - so much so that even news organizations aren't pretending otherwise as much as they were a few days ago. Even the PowerPoint and circumstances under which he presented it are certainly suspicious in hindsight. But pointing out that line in his presentation is really, really weak - and undermines the credibility of anyone using it to make the case that's already been made. I mention that because people are doing it. Posted by Greyhawk / November 10, 2009 7:36 PM | Permalink TrackBackTrackBack URL: http://www.mudvillegazette.com/cgi-bin/mt/mt-tb.cgi/16936 1 CommentLeave a comment |
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AFGHANISTANSuicide attackers killed in Afghanistan -- [CNN] US kills 8 terrorists in 2 new airstrikes in North Waziristan -- [LWJ - Bill Roggio] S.N.A.B.U. = Situation Normal All BAF-fed Up -- [Afghanistan My Last Tour - in Afghanistan] Post Office Doesn't Like Me -- [Afghanistan My Last Tour - in Afghanistan] Danger Room Explainer: Outsourced Intel in Afghanistan -- [Danger Room] IRAQIraq Votes - Part VI -- [MEMRI] Mission Accomplished: Astroturfing Baghdad -- [Danger Room]
U.S. AND OTHER PARTS OF THE WORLDAllies everywhere feeling snubbed by President Obama -- [Washington Post] Chahar-Shanbeh Souri -- [Planet Iran]
WAR ON TERROR /TERRORISMIf bin Laden is found, he'll be killed, Holder says -- [AP] ACLU files lawsuit for information on US Predator program -- [Threat Matrix] SUPPORTING THE TROOPSArmy Suicides Grow, but This Soldier Was Saved -- [Politics Daily] Silver Star Winner Reprimanded for Afghan Battle -- [ABC]
MILITARYArrrrrrmy Training, SIR! -- [This Ain't Hell] WELCOME HOMEBushrod honors were not misplaced -- [Fredericksburg.com] They're Coming Home! -- [KBND]
THE MEDIA/CULTUREIt's just some ribbon. -- [From my Position...]
POLITICSGE and Ronald Reagan: The Mutual Gift That Keeps On Giving -- [Politics Daily] Petraeus Testifies About DADT
The Petraeus briefing: Biden's embarrassment is not the whole story -- [Foreign Policy Blog] HUMOR/SATIRE
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Every time I hear about yet another act of violence in an Muslim country, I love to think of my favorite Muslim, Dullah Omar.
And, 90% of Muslims think like Dullah did, and yet, we always have a picture of violence when we hear of countries like Iran.
Then, when I travel abroad, guess what I hear about the United States. Yep, exactly the same thing. The US is portrayed as the most violent country in the world BY EVERYONE ELSE.
Yet, we in the US know that 90% of our citizens are peace loving.
I think some day, in order to progress, somehow international opinion is going to have to evolve, so that that the media can sell their product by telling all of us about the 90% of us who support peace and live our lives that way.