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November 5, 2009Grim news from HoodBy GreyhawkNote: we've reached a point in this story where old news is being reported as new (including on evening news broadcasts); scroll through this post and you'll see info in order reported, with latest confirmed reports below older information. Six November update: In stories like this one, erroneous news reports are the norm. In the military we call it the fog of war. First reports are always wrong - and reporters eager to get a scoop are generally willing to pass on anything as news, the more sensational the better. As an example, in the earliest reports of this event CNN presented a live phone call with someone claiming to be in the hospital on Ft Hood. The first thing this individual related to CNN was that they didn't know anything about what was happening except for what they had seen on TV - then the interview continued. Here's what happened yesterday: the global war on terror continued, with a battle on American soil. That's twice this year. Here's what matters at this point: Hotline for relatives of Fort Hood personnel: (254) 288-7570 or (866) 836-2751 for information about loved ones. As of a 7:30 CST press conference, officials at Ft Hood were unable to confirm if all next-of-kin notifications had been completed. Video from Ft Hood: Latest - 8:15 CST: Single gunman, in custody, hospitalized, not dead. Death toll is 12 or 13 (for now). First report - 2:28 CST - Developing story: At least seven people are dead and 12 wounded in a shooting at Fort Hood in Texas, the base's public affairs office told NBC News on Thursday.More: There are unconfirmed reports that one of the shooters is surrounded by police in the 42006 building on Fort Hood. That source tells KCEN the shooter has a high-powered rifle and is aiming to kill. Early reports are often wrong... but that would be the Traumatic Brain Injury Clinic. However, other reports say the Commissary. CNN reporter Barbara Starr at the Pentagon says "US military officials" have not confirmed multiple shooters. CNN is also running the "soldiers are psychos, and there are more of them on Ft Hood than anywhere" storyline. Local news from the area:
Live local news broadcast here. Reports Killeen City police say three shooters, one captured, one "holed up" in a building, one location unknown.
Two suspects now reported caught. FORT HOOD -- Rescue crews have been dispatched to Fort Hood for what is being described as a mass casualty event. Fort Hood officials are meeting media representatives to escort them onto post. The paper's web site is now just a text version of that story - the site for the Killeen Daily Herald appears to be inaccessible this afternoon. Report: As many as nine people are dead and as many as 30 more are injured after two or more gunmen in military uniforms opened fire Thursday afternoon in a deployment processing center at Fort Hood. Schools on and around the post are locked down and hospitals report receiving mass casualties. News conference, 3:50 CST, Lieutenant General Robert Cone, recently assigned Commanding General: "One shooter killed - he was a soldier. Two other soldiers apprehended, they are suspects. (Eyewitnesses indicate more than one shooter, all soldiers.) Twelve dead, 31 wounded. All casualties took place in initial incident at 13:30 CST. 'Primary shooter' had two hand guns." 4:12 CST: ABC News: Shooter: Major Malik Nadal Hasan. ABC does not name a source for this information. 04:31 CST: Independent sources confirm a soldier by that name is stationed at Hood.
8:15 CST: Hasan Single gunman, in custody, hospitalized, not dead. Death toll is 12 or 13 (for now). Other two suspects reportedly questioned and released. Repeat: early reports are often wrong. What is certain is several good people are dead, a lot of families are grieving, and many more are wondering - and very uneasy right now, to say the least. Hotline for relatives of Fort Hood personnel: (254) 288-7570 or (866) 836-2751 for information about loved ones. Statements: Secretary Gates: "I am deeply saddened by the tragic events today at Fort Hood. My thoughts and prayers are with the families of the fallen, the wounded, and all those touched by this incident. There is little we can say at this point to alleviate the pain or answer the many questions this event raises, but I can pledge that the Department of Defense will do everything in its power to help the Fort Hood community get through these difficult times." Army Secretary John M. McHugh: "This is a terrible tragedy that we will know more about in the coming days. For now our focus is squarely on taking care of our soldiers and their families. Our thoughts and prayers are with the families and friends of those who have been killed and wounded. The leadership at Fort Hood is marshaling the medical support and counselors necessary to take care of our soldiers and their families and to notify the next of kin." President Obama: THE PRESIDENT: Please, everybody have a seat. Let me first of all just thank Ken and the entire Department of the Interior staff for organizing just an extraordinary conference. I want to thank my Cabinet members and senior administration officials who participated today. I hear that Dr. Joe Medicine Crow was around, and so I want to give a shout-out to that Congressional Medal of Honor* winner. It's good to see you. (Applause.) My understanding is, is that you had an extremely productive conference. I want to thank all of you for coming and for your efforts, and I want to give you my solemn guarantee that this is not the end of a process but a beginning of a process, and that we are going to follow up. (Applause.) We are going to follow up. Every single member of my team understands that this is a top priority for us. I want you to know that, as I said this morning, this is not something that we just give lip service to. And we are going to keep on working with you to make sure that the first Americans get the best possible chances in life in a way that's consistent with your extraordinary traditions and culture and values. Now, I have to say, though, that beyond that, I plan to make some broader remarks about the challenges that lay ahead for Native Americans, as well as collaboration with our administration, but as some of you might have heard, there has been a tragic shooting at the Fort Hood Army base in Texas. We don't yet know all the details at this moment; we will share them as we get them. What we do know is that a number of American soldiers have been killed, and even more have been wounded in a horrific outburst of violence. My immediate thoughts and prayers are with the wounded and with the families of the fallen, and with those who live and serve at Fort Hood. These are men and women who have made the selfless and courageous decision to risk and at times give their lives to protect the rest of us on a daily basis. It's difficult enough when we lose these brave Americans in battles overseas. It is horrifying that they should come under fire at an Army base on American soil. I've spoken to Secretary Gates and the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, Admiral Mike Mullen, and I will continue to receive a constant stream of updates as new information comes in. We are working with the Pentagon, the FBI, and the Department of Homeland Security, all to ensure that Fort Hood is secure, and we will continue to support the community with the full resources of the federal government. In the meantime, I would ask all Americans to keep the men and women of Fort Hood in your thoughts and prayers. We will make sure that we get answers to every single question about this horrible incident. And I want all of you to know that as Commander-in-Chief, there's no greater honor but also no greater responsibility for me than to make sure that the extraordinary men and women in uniform are properly cared for and that their safety and security when they are at home is provided for. So we are going to stay on this. But I hope in the meantime that all of you recognize the scope of this tragedy, and keep everybody in their thoughts and prayers. Again, thank you for your participation here today. I am confident that this is going to be resulting in terrific work between this government and your governments in the weeks, the months, and years to come. God bless you, and God bless the United States of America. (Applause.) Posted by Greyhawk / November 5, 2009 3:28 PM | Permalink 2 TrackBacksTrackBack URL: http://www.mudvillegazette.com/cgi-bin/mt/mt-tb.cgi/16895 Confederate Yankee:Ironically, there is no known record of that weapon even being used to kill a police officer in the United States, and there is a distinct possibility that Sgt. Kimberly Munley, wounded while engaging Hasan, may have been the first A... Read More Pvt Joseph Foster is yet another soldier reporting that Nidal Hasan shouted "Allah Akbar" when he began firing last week - but Foster made the mistake of saying it on CNN:Roberts: So the first moments of Thursday afternoon, can you tell our viewers, yo... Read More 21 CommentsLeave a comment |
November 18, 2009Dawn Patrol 11/18/2009 [Mrs Greyhawk]
Welcome to the Dawn Patrol, our daily roundup of information on the War on Terror and other topics - from the MilBlogs and various sources around the world. If you're a blogger, you can join the conversation. If you link to any of these stories, add a link to the Dawn Patrol too and your trackback will be added to the list. Hat Tips to the Dawn Patrol are greatly appreciated.Refresh for updates.
AFGHANISTAN/PAKISTANBoondoggle -- [3rd Time, New Country - in Afghanistan] Clinton in Kabul for Karzai's inauguration -- [Foreign Policy - AfPak] The war of leaks -- [Foreign Policy - AfPak] Ridding Afghanistan of Corruption Will Be No Easy Task -- [Los Angeles Times] Afghan Minister Accused of Taking Bribe -- [Washington Post] Vision for Victory, Part I -- [Washington Times] U.S. Turns to Local Guns-for-Hire to Guard Afghan Outpost -- [Danger Room - Noah Shachtman] NATO Chief Confident Afghanistan Will Have More Troops -- [Voice of America] Germany to extend Afghanistan mission another year -- [AP] Pakistani Successes May Sway US Troop Decision -- [New York Times] Where are Taliban and al Qaeda commanders, US media asks Pak -- [Daily News & Analysis] Pakistani Army Shows Off Captured Taliban Posts -- [Washington Post] IRAQIraqi Kurds Warn of Election Boycott in Dispute Over Seats - [Washington Post] US has time to reconsider Iraq drawdown plan-Odierno -- [Reuters] A few words from medics for the 41st Brigade -- [The Oregonian] Goodbye to Iraq, and thanks -- [The Oregonian] U.S. AND OTHER PARTS OF THE WORLDUS, China in Strained Diplomatic Embrace -- [Wall Street Journal] Obama: 'We've restored America's standing' -- [CNN] Somali Pirates : Maersk Alabama Attacked, Fights Back -- [Eagle Speak] Iranian COS Warns Russia: Your Security Is Tied To Ours -- [Memri Blog]
WAR ON TERROR /TERRORISMSuspected Fort Hood Shooter Believed to Be Self-Radicalized -- [Wall Street Journal] Guantánamo Won't Close by January, Obama Says -- [NY Times] SUPPORTING THE TROOPS...OR NOTNo Man Left Behind -- [Knottie's Niche] LTC Tim Karcher Update -- [Soldiers' Angels Germany] Support SA while Christmas shopping this year! -- [Soldiers' Angels Germany] Trees for Troops: Helping Military Families -- [AdAge.com] FOX 5 Special: I-Team VA Loans -- [FOX News] A FOX 5 I-Team investigation uncovered allegations of a nationwide scheme by banks and mortgage companies to defraud U.S. military veterans. The scheme, spelled out in court documents, claims banks are overcharging veterans on home refinancing loans. The question raised in a racketeering and class action law suit is how many of those loans involved banks defrauding U.S. military veterans. MILITARYMuslim discrimination in the U.S. military. Not. -- [Castra Praetoria] Time to revisit firearms policies on military posts -- [Atlanta Journal Constitution] Army's Record Suicide Rate 'Horrible,' General Says -- [Washington Post]
WELCOME HOMEVeterans' descendants welcome troops home to Fort Campbell -- [Clarksville Leaf Chronicle] 'Greywolf' Among First CAV Troops to Return Home -- [DVIDS] THE MEDIAWhere are Taliban and al Qaeda commanders, US media asks Pak -- [Daily News & Analysis] Army officials said that they have killed as many as 550 Taliban militants a month after the military began its campaign into the lawless territory, yet they acknowledge that hundreds, perhaps thousands more have melted away.
POLITICSRepublicans Criticize Obama's Call to Delay Hill Inquiries on Fort Hood -- [Washington Post] HUMOR / SATIRE
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A Major doing the shooting? Sounds totally wierd to me.
Susbunk
I have no idea how these things work, but the 'suspects' bit reminded me there will be some kind of hearing or trial. I am curious how swift justice is on a military base, or if it's even done there. Here's hoping they got them all, they got the right ones, and the wounded survive.
Stress doesn't make any sense if there's a team...3 military guys don't usually freak out all together. Stress related stuff tends to be a solo act.
I am not 'gun knowledgeable" but a single shooter with 2 handguns could kill 11 and wound 31 people? Does that seem possible?
Saw something at Hot Air that indicated one of the shooters had an Arabic sounding name. I have seen no confirmation.
Crap. Crappity crap crap.
Aside from the terrible implications of this possibly being an attack by rogue members of our own military on their fellow soldiers, something else immediately comes to mind.
One of the things we pro-Right to Keep and Bear folks have been saying for a long time is, "You don't see many folks attacking armed installations like police stations and military bases."
That assertion just took a direct hit -- I seriously doubt it will be often noted that an armed presence was undoubtably why the attack was put down as quickly as it was. I'm thinking how much worse this would have been at a mall, say, or a college campus.
Also, it's not clear to me that the particular area that was hit was in fact full of armed military personnel.
I'm going to be watching this very closely. I hope I'm quickly proven totally wrong on all counts.
http://hotair.com/archives/2009/11/05/breaking-massacre-at-fort-hood/
Update: The suspect’s name, via ABC: Major Malik Nadal Hasan.
The suspected gunman was identified as Major Malik Nadal Hasan. He was killed and two other suspects have been apprehended, Lt. Robert W. Cone said.
The gunman used two handguns, Cone said. He wasn’t sure if the shooter reloaded the weapons during the attack.
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DJMoore:
I understand what your saying, I'm entertaining all sorts of dark thoughts myself.
But let's hold off at least for 24 hours. The truth will come out.
http://abcnews.go.com/m/screen?id=9007938
Twelve people have been killed and 31 wounded in a shooting spree at a Texas military base by what officials believe was possibly carried out by an Army officer.
The suspected gunman was identified by ABC News as Major Malik Nadal Hasan.
Cone said the motive for the attack, which took place just after 1:30 p.m. CT, is unclear.
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Well I'll give my opinion. Sudden Jihad Syndrome
Ah. Per ABCNews: "According to a source on the base, it is rare for firearms to be on the base because they are locked up."
CBS says he was a 39 yo Psychiatrist.
@DJMoore
The reason "You don't see many folks attacking armed installations like police stations and military bases" is that it would be a suicide mission.
But, what if a suicide mission is the whole point?
CBS News investigative producer Len Tepper reports that Hasan, 39, is a licensed psychiatrist from Silver Spring, Md.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/11/05/national/main5539067.shtml
Possibly this listing at Walter Reed?
Weapons are kept in armory on base. Even personal firearms.
DJMoore -- Please note that domestic American military bases are strictly "weapons-free zones." Soldiers, contractors and visitors are strictly forbidden to possess personal weapons on base. Simple possession, whether at home, at work or in a car is the equivalent of a felony.
Further, some bases in recent years have taken to forbidding their military personnel from possession even while off base and off duty.
This is another case whether a mass-shooter has chosen a weapons free environment for a rampage and then suicide by cop, when they eventually show up.
There is a ton of literature pointing to the increased likelihood of mass-shootings compared to less restricted areas.
Sadly for the dead, wounded and their families, even a few minutes response time is too long. Sadly, too, that bad guys, in this case defined as someone who wanted to shoot people, are never, ever dissuaded by signs.
You know and I know that weapons are kept in armories, but you'd be surprised how many people are unaware of that.
Ft Hood has very tight control on guns. Most people are unarmed.
Is there any charity that people can give money or help for the victims?
Thanks. I'll link to this story on my Blog and any charity you reccommend. I will put it on my sidebar.
We've been running the annual Valour-IT fundraiser for all wounded troops here all week.
All American military installations are strictly enforced "gun free zones", except for MPs and civilian police personnel, of which out of a pool of 40,000 soldiers, there are relatively few. Yes, we all have fully stocked armories, but storing ammunition there is prohibited. And it would take hours to get it if needed, not to mention hours more waiting on the authority to do so.
It's a national embarrassment. Entire companies of infantry soldiers reduced to sitting on our hands while a home-grown jihadist runs rampant.
Army posts are the softest targets imaginable. A properly motivated terrorist cell could take out thousands with relative ease and all we'd have to fight them with would be pocket knives and Leatherman tools.
I hate to say it, but even the US military has finally succumbed to liberal weakness. And it was the last bastion. Time to start looking for that cabin in Montana.
Buck Sargent
Ft. Hood, TX