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Greetings! You are reading an article from The Mudville Gazette. To reach the front page, with all the latest news and views, click the logo above or "main" below. Thanks for stopping by! November 1, 2009 Abdullah Abduallah pulls out - should we?By GreyhawkAbdullah Abdullah, Hamid Karzai's main rival for office of President of Afghanistan, has withdrawn from the scheduled November 7 runoff election there, saying his demands for ensuring a fraud-free election had not been met. However, he stopped short of calling for his supporters to boycott the vote. ![]() Abdullah Abdullah - Obama's man in Afghanistan? The BBC recaps the results that led to the runoff:
That's accurate - but it neglects to point out that Abdullah gained in percentage only because he had fewer votes declared fraudulent than Karzai did - a point lost in reports on the Afghan elections now focused exclusively on Karzai's numbers. Few (in or out of Afghanistan) actually want a runoff election; weather, security, and voter apathy in the face of a predictable outcome are among the reasons - and "power sharing" is the ultimate goal. Current actions by any participants in the contest should be viewed as tactics used to gain leverage to negotiate from positions of strength. Karzai benefits from an Abdullah concession prior to an offer to participate; Abdullah from an offer to participate in the government without first offering that concession. This, in short, is the situation in Afghanistan today. While most reports explain that the legitimacy of the Afghan government would be damaged if the runoff elections proceed without Abdullah's participation, U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton offers a dissenting point of view: "We see that happen in our own country where, for whatever combination of reasons, one of the candidates decides not to go forward," she said. "I don't think it has anything to do with the legitimacy of the election. It's a personal choice which may or may not be made." Clinton's comments may be an indication that the Obama administration is not pleased with Abdullah's action; a concession and an acceptance of a position in the Karzai government would have been the quickest solution to what's now become a domestic dilemma confronting the American president. A reasonably quick establishment of a new Afghan government with a diminished role for Karzai was desired following the August elections, and potential American troop levels were the centerpiece of negotiations. But Karzai resisted pressure, ultimately supporting his position by declaring the existing Afghan constitution would be followed and runoff elections would be held. These drawn out negotiations forced the Obama administration into a series of apparent delays on a decision to respond to General Stan McChrystal's request for additional forces, the latest of which occurred this week. After indicating a decision on troops would be made public sometime "between November 7th and 11th" (immediately following the runoff), sources in the White House are now indicating no announcement is likely before November 20th. But while tying troop levels to election results rather than strategic requirements could ultimately prove disastrous for military efforts in Afghanistan and lead to serious questions of government legitimacy among the population there, President Obama's domestic political opponents have attacked him for what they describe as "dithering" on the decision instead. From all indications, Abdullah is the Obama administration's preferred partner in Afghanistan, and a man who's shown early signs of American political savvy. Last weekend he assured CNN viewers "the president of the United States is doing the right thing" by taking his time to deliberate Afghan troops levels, but warned Fox viewers that General McChrystal's additional troops were needed to reverse his country's deteriorating security situation. And in a move away from neutrality, Western officials are beginning to (anonymously) signal their desires. Descriptions of Karzai as "belligerent as hell" and Abdullah as a man who's "done a great job of elevating himself as a statesman on the international stage" are beginning to appear in media coverage, as the odds of Afghans getting a (second) vote on the matter grow increasingly dim. But while the Obama administration would like to see Abdullah holding a substantial position in a re-tooled Afghan national government and has tied potential troop increases to the outcome, this week the president requested data on provincial governments in Afghanistan, suggesting he would be willing to "work around" any national government there altogether. Meanwhile, the deaths of British, American, and Canadian troops in Afghanistan during the final days of October pushed the already record-setting monthly death toll there higher still - and even before the "record numbers" were announced Obama's approval ratings on Afghanistan were plunging. Previously: Posted by Greyhawk / November 1, 2009 8:09 AM | Permalink TrackBackTrackBack URL: http://www.mudvillegazette.com/cgi-bin/mt/mt-tb.cgi/16881 6 CommentsLeave a comment |
March 19, 2010Dawn Patrol 03/19/2003 [Greyhawk]
"Welcome to the Dawn Patrol, our daily roundup of information on the War on Terror and other topics - from the MilBlogs and various sources around the world." Mudville was founded in March, 2003. Our efforts to bring the thoughts, words, and deeds of milbloggers to a wider world evolved to become The Dawn Patrol in March, 2005. With today's entry we're going to reset the clock - but not re-write the history - and recreate the world as it was - on a day the world changed...
Updating... more to follow.... MILBOGSAndrew Olmsted, 19 Mar 2003, Stateside: It would appear that the liberation of Iraq has begun. Greyhawk, 18 Mar 2003, Germany: A united world could have, just maybe, brought down Saddam without firing a shot. We will never know. 19 Mar: We'll never know what a united world could have achieved... the UN could not agree on anything, the situation degenerated, and here we are. Status quo was not working. The French were too desperate for oil and trade at any cost. Well-intentioned Americans were led into the streets by Communists (and others) with an agenda. The media distorted the split. Many in America and abroad thought they could manipulate the situation to their personal gain. They miscalculated. The fire is lit. Pontifx ex Machina, 18 Mar, undisclosed location: Rolling out the gate, the guard gets a quick "hook-em, horns" sign as we weave through the barricades. Then we're off, cruising through the desert in a battered-up SUV. On the eve of war, only one thing passes through our minds: is there going to be any appropriate music on the radio? Lt Smash, 19 Mar, undisclosed location: Read the President's speech today. The clock is ticking. Chief Wiggles, 22 Mar, Kuwait: The war started Wednesday morning for us right after the president gave a speech to the American people that lasted about 4 minutes. We were all very anxious for this whole thing to be either over or get it on its way. Will, 22 Mar, en route: I am going to Baghdad to personally shoot that paper hanging son of a bitch! Lt Smash 20 Mar, undisclosed location: Sgt Stryker, 20 Mar, Stateside: Iraq to File U.N. Complaint About Attack Primary Main Objective, 30 Mar, undisclosed location I Dare Kofi to Come Get Me.
BruceR, Flit, 19 Mar, Canada: AND SO IT BEGINS. Godspeed, Yanks. Come home safe and soon. Andrew Olmsted, 20 Mar 2003, Stateside: The most important thing to remember over the next few days is this: the first reports are almost always inaccurate. First reports are generally submitted in the heat of battle before any real analysis can take place. Therefore, they're highly subjective, based on limited information, and rarely hit the mark. So as the first reports of 'surgical strikes' on Iraqi forces come in, it's best to take those reports with a grain of salt... Iraqi BlogsSalam Pax, Baghdad: The bombing aould come and go in waves, nothing too heavy and not yet comparable to what was going on in 91. all radio and TV stations are still on and while the air raid began the Iraqi TV was showing patriotic songs and didn't even bother to inform viewers that we are under attack. at the moment they are re-airing yesterday's interview with the minister of interior affairs. THe sounds of the anti-aircarft artillery is still louder than the booms and bangs which means that they are still far from where we live, but the images we saw on Al Arabia news channel showed a building burning near one of my aunts house... American BlogsGlenn Reynold's has a ton of links. Newpapers
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It may be past due on the time when we prove, once again, to our enemy that we are just "paper tigers". After all, abandoning Vietnam didn't do any harm, except for several million slaughtered, mass exodus by Vietnamese to relocation camps all along the Pacific Rim, encouraging our primary enemy, etc and so on.
It's not like a stable, secure Afghanistan is important to us. Nothing bad ever came from there.
And, as everyone knows, if it isn't exactly %100 perfect in every way, it must be %100 irredeemable crap.
Nothing of value has ever been gained by doing a necessary thing once that thing became difficult.
Power in Afghanistan doesn't reside in Kabul, it never has.
We must stay in Afghanistan or it will be perceived as a victory for jihad and support will rally to Al Queda, men & funding; and they will attack us again.
So we prop up Karzi's hopelessly corrupt (and inept) regime as a placekeeper while we co-opt the tribal leaders who really run the country, buy them off or make their life hell.
As to the hopelessly corrupt thing...
The Chicago Political Machine
ACORN
Any political group in any major urban area in our own country, regardless of party
Our own congress and senate
There's no one on this planet that can out-corrupt/incompetence us on the government side of things.
My point is that we shouldn't bail on Afghanistan just because they are corrupt - we're not there for them, we are in the fight for our own interests and Karzi is not that relevant to what our issues are.
Dave:
I gotcha. I was yammering at the drive by readers or general issue lurkers.
I agree with you guys completely.
I wish the President did.
(And I recognized your sarcasm, Grimmy!)