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October 20, 2009

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Seymour Hersh: military hates Obama because they're racists and he's black

By Greyhawk

Also missing from the vague accusations leveled at the general is some sort of motive for his behavior. No one has accused him of racism yet...
Here's why I said "yet":
The army is also "in a war against the White House -- and they feel they have [President] Obama boxed in," Pulitzer Prize-winning reporter Seymour Hersh told several hundred people in Duke University's Page Auditorium on Tuesday night. "They think he's weak and the wrong color. Yes, there's racism in the Pentagon. We may not like to think that, but it's true and we all know it."

Hersh is so far off the mark here it would be astounding - if this were anyone other than Seymour Hersh.

Given that much of the "rift" he's squawking about is a well-choreographed show for one man's consumption (not that "the Pentagon" enjoys its part in the play - they understand the additional consequences, but ultimately they do follow orders) the remainder of his ravings - racist and otherwise - appear all the more clueless. But again, that's typical Seymour Hersh.

But is there anyone out there ignorant and gullible enough to unquestioningly swallow whatever junk Seymour spews? Yes.

So many of the saner people were driven out of the military during the Bush administration, it doesn't surprise me that the people left include a lot of the right-wing, racist fringe elements.

Update - in case you think Hersh hates anyone more than he does American soldiers, here's a blast from the past:

If Americans knew the full extent of U.S. criminal conduct, they would receive returning Iraqi veterans as they did Vietnam veterans, Hersh said.

"In Vietnam, our soldiers came back and they were reviled as baby killers, in shame and humiliation," he said. "It isn't happening now, but I will tell you - there has never been an [American] army as violent and murderous as our army has been in Iraq."

Hersh also has accused American soldiers of committing atrocities in the 1991 Gulf War. He's one of those guys who imagines those big bullies that used to flush his head in the high school toilet every day all grew up and joined the army.

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It should also be noted that typical follow-up statements from Hersh on stories like this include: "I actually didn't quite say what I wanted to say correctly. It wasn't that inaccurate, but it was misstated. The next thing I know, it was all over the blogs."

And "Vice president Cheney does not have a death squad. This is another example of blogs going bonkers with misleading and fabricated stories and professional journalists repeating such rumours without doing their job - and that is to verify such rumours."

And "oh God of God please stop hitting me and tell Senator Kennedy I swear I won't do it again."



Posted by Greyhawk / October 20, 2009 8:14 PM | Permalink

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Sad thing is that the answer to both of the following questions is probably "no":

1) has Hersh been in the Pentagon in recent memory?

2) has Hersh talked to anyone on active duty in the military in recent memory?

and, worse, people who don't know any better about Hersh AND who don't know anyone or many people in the military will take his comments at face value....especially when they throw in that "Pulitzer-prize winning reporter" bit.

Sigh. Y'all who serve/have served deserve so much better.

Heh - Lisa, Hersh never visits with or talks to anyone who actually has a name they'd be willing to see in print in a Seymour Hersh story.

Commenters on the Herald-Sun article are doing a good job of providing some perspective. Yay.

I do not know Hersh, but he seems of the same stripe as the press traitors we had during Nam- the more I read and hear, the more convinced I am that some people just should not write or say anything- period.
It only reveals their stupidity.

When I was in the Navy (many, many years ago), about 19 out of every 20 sailors voted for Reagan. From all races, and all parts of the country. They did so because they were patriots, and because the most recent democrat president was a pathetic joke. Jimmy Carter nearly brought the country to destruction by being fool and a dupe, Obama seems to be trying to do the same thing intentionally.

If you want to see where the thought process comes from that leads to a view of the Military that Hersh has. Go to the link below and read the comments.

http://crooksandliars.com/susie-madrak/sy-hersh-military-war-against-white-h

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November 26, 2010


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I think anyone who's ever pondered the "comment" option - once only available on blogs and bulletin boards, now ubiquitous on almost any web site - will appreciate this:
The so-called faculty of writing is not so much a faculty of writing as it is a faculty of thinking. When a man says, "I have an idea but I can't express it"; that man hasn't an idea but merely a vague feeling. If a man has a feeling of that kind, and will sit down for a half an hour and persistently try to put into writing what he feels, the probabilities are at least 90 percent that he will either be able to record it, or else realize that he has no idea at all. In either case, he will do himself a benefit.

That's wisdom from the past, captured for posterity at the US Naval Institute, shared via the web on the institute's 137th anniversary.

From their about page:

The Naval Institute shall remain

INDEPENDENT - A non-profit member association, with no government support, that does not lobby for special interests;

NON-PARTISAN - An independent, professional military association with a mission, goals and objectives that transcend political affiliations; and shall encourage

IDEAS - Through its respected journals Proceedings and Naval History, its conferences, its books and its online content, in support of those who serve.

"The Naval Institute has three core activities," among them, History and Preservation:

The Naval Institute also has recently introduced Americans at War, a living history of Americans at war in their own words and from their own experiences. These 90-second vignettes convey powerful stories of inspiration, pride, and patriotism.

Take a look at the collection, and you'll see it's not limited to accounts from those who served on ships at sea, members of the other branches are well-represented.

I'm fortunate to have met USNI's Mary Ripley, she's responsible for the institute's oral history program (and she's the daughter of the late John Ripley, whose story is told here). She also deserves much credit for their blog. ("We're not the Navy nor any government agency. Blog and comment freely.") We met at a milblog conference - Mary knew (and I would come to realize) that milbloggers are the 21st-century version of exactly what the US Naval Institute is all about. Once that light bulb came on in my head, I mentioned a vague idea for a project to her - milblogs as the 21st century oral history that they are.

"Put that in writing," she said (of course - see first paragraph above!) - and here's part of the result.

Shortly after the first tent was pitched by the American military in Iraq a wire was connected to a computer therein, and the internet was available to a generation of Americans at war - many of whom had grown up online. From that point on, at any given moment, somewhere in Iraq a Soldier, Sailor, Airman or Marine was at a keyboard sharing the events of his or her day with the folks back home. While most would simply fire off an email, others took advantage of the (then) relatively new online blogging platforms to post their thoughts and experiences for the entire world to see. The milblog was born - and from that moment to this stories detailing everything from the most mundane aspects of camp life to intense combat action (often described within hours of the event) have been available on the web...

And et cetera - but since you're reading this on a milblog, you probably knew that. And you know that milblogs aren't just blogs written by troops at war, that many friends, family members, and supporters likewise documented their story of America at war online in near-real time, as those stories developed.

The diversity in membership of that group is broad, the one thing we all have in common is the impulse to make sense of the seemingly senseless, and communicate the tale - for each of us that impulse was strong enough to overcome whatever barriers prevent the vast majority of people from doing the same. Everyone at some point has some vague idea they believe should be shared - we were the people who, from some combination of internal and external urging, found and spent those many half hours persistently trying to write it down.

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But where will all that be in another 137 years? Or five or ten, for that matter. That's something I've asked myself since at least 2004 - when I wrote this:

Closing Blogs is nothing new. So many site's owners just give up on their own. They come and go, you know, these MilBloggers do. Like any other sort of blogger. Many post in the lonely down hours far from home, spill their guts for the world, then abandon their spots when the tour of duty is up. They have lives again somewhere in the world, and no need to share the details. So it goes.

Many are truly gone - no site left at all. "The page cannot be found." Other blogs remain, like abandoned defensive positions in shifting desert sands.

Membership in the ghost battalion has grown in the years since, and an ever growing majority of those abandoned-but-still-standing sites are vanishing. Have you checked out Lt Smash's site lately? How about Sgt Hook's? If you're a long-time milblog reader you know the first widely-read milblog from Operation Iraq Freedom and the first widely-read milblog from Afghanistan are both gone from the web. If you're a relative newcomer to this world you may never even have heard of them - or the dozens upon dozens of others who carried forth the standard they set down.

If you have a vague notion that something should be done about that, (a notion I've heard expressed more than once...) then you and I and the good folks at the US Naval Institute are in agreement. Preserving the history documented by the milbloggers is just one of the goals of the milblog project, the once-vague idea that we're now making real.

And it's a big idea, if I say so myself - too big to explain in one simple blog post, so stand by for more. Likewise, it's too big a task to be accomplished by just one person. So if you're a milblogger (and exactly what is a milblogger? is a topic for much further discussion on its own) I'm asking for your help. All I'll really need is just a little bit (maybe just one or two of those half hours...) of your time, and your willingness to tell the tale.

We've already made history, it's time to save it.

(More to follow...)




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Tending Distant
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Far from hearth and home, watching
Cold alone but not alone
On distant shore and only wanting
Safe return and little more

What tales we'll tell
When that time comes
When tales can be told

When things grim
Seem far away
When other fires go cold

Some distant sunset, vision fading
Memories remain
And tired eyes gaze 'pon folded flags
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Saluting fallen friends whose names
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