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October 9, 2009

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Afghan Stands

By Greyhawk

The Times o'London with yesterday's "leak" from the American ship o'State:

President Obama is prepared to accept some Taleban involvement in Afghanistan's political future and is unlikely to favour a large influx of new American troops being demanded by his ground commander, a senior official said last night.

Given the number of "leaks" from the administration over the past several weeks, you'd think someone could have done something to curtail them by now...


But what's really new here? The idea that some members of "the Taliban" could be split from the larger group isn't, nor is the realization that not every square inch of Afghanistan will be defended by U.S. or NATO troops - that's never been part of even the most robust campaign plan.

And "the Taleban issued a statement on their website yesterday declaring that they had 'no agenda to harm other countries'" could hardly be called a shocker either.

Neither is "dealing" with the Taliban as a group - and the results. Two months ago:

Almost as soon as the Afghan government trumpeted a local cease-fire with the Taliban Monday, the purported deal fell apart. The breakdown of this minor agreement underscores the extreme difficulty the government and its international backers face in finding a political solution to the insurgency.

The government claimed it had struck a deal with Taliban leaders and tribal elders in the northern province of Badghis. Specifically, the local cease-fire would safeguard a road construction project and electioneering ahead of next month's national vote.

Within hours, however, clashes broke out in the region, and a Taliban spokesman told media that no deal ever happened.

Similar local deals attempted in 2007 in Helmand Province also had poor results (The Taliban "imposed their rule on the town, restricting women's movements, levying taxes and imposing conscription, while using Musa Qala as a base for operations in neighbouring districts") described by Josh Foust as "disastrous" here:

...the British would withdraw from Musa Qala in Helmand province in exchange for a Taliban pinky-swear not to occupy it in their absence. After eleven months of Taliban domination, the British had to rely on American support to retake the district center.

Negotiating, so the theory goes, is done best from a position of strength.

In other news:

According to Reuters, the Taliban retaliated by claiming on their Web site that "they had raised their flag in Kamdesh District of Nuristan Province on Wednesday morning at a function attended by locals."

Col. Wayne Shanks, a senior press officer for American and NATO forces, told Reuters that no matter what the Taliban claimed, "I can guarantee you we have not left Nuristan. We are there. We are doing the same operations we have been doing."

Colonel Shanks also told the news agency that American soldiers were still present at the two outposts that were attacked on Saturday, although both sites would eventually be abandoned, in accordance with a decision made well before the attack to redeploy international forces to more populated areas of Afghanistan.

That plan has since been acccelerated:

The remote U.S. outpost near the Pakistan border that was nearly overrun by insurgents last weekend has been abandoned and destroyed by American troops, military officials announced today.

Americans demolished the base, dubbed Combat Outpost Keating, just days after an all-day fight last Saturday in which eight American soldiers were killed and 24 wounded. U.S. military officials estimate that as many as 100 of the attackers were also killed in the battle, which was the bloodiest in Afghanistan in the past year.

Keating was destroyed so it could not be used by insurgents.

Keating and a second base, Combat Outpost Fritsche, were abandoned this week as part of Gen. Stanley McChrystal's new strategy to pull back from unpopulated areas and concentrate on defending population centers.

"We had been planning to realign our forces to better protect the population for months. These closings are part of that realignment," said an Army spokesperson Major T.G. Taylor.

Elsewhere, ABC offers some troop number claims different from earlier reports on McChrystal's request:

The three options are, option one: send no more troops to Afghanistan, considered a "high risk option;" option two: send 40,000 more troops, and option three: a major increase in troops, a number that has not been made public but that is far more than 40,000.

But how much more than 40,000 is that high option? The Wall Street Journal, following up on our report yesterday, today reports that the troop request exceeds 60,000.

Most earlier reports claimed a low-end request of 10,000, an unspecified "medium" strength number, and 40k as the highest of three proposed levels. Each was described as associated with a likelihood of achieving success.

Since the White House now has a copy of the request, it's likely only a matter of time before we see the full document in the Washington Post (or the NY Times, if the fairness doctrine is successfully invoked).




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March 19, 2010


Dawn Patrol 03/19/2003
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"Welcome to the Dawn Patrol, our daily roundup of information on the War on Terror and other topics - from the MilBlogs and various sources around the world."

Mudville was founded in March, 2003. Our efforts to bring the thoughts, words, and deeds of milbloggers to a wider world evolved to become The Dawn Patrol in March, 2005. With today's entry we're going to reset the clock - but not re-write the history - and recreate the world as it was - on a day the world changed...

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(More front pages here.)

Updating... more to follow....

MILBOGS

Andrew Olmsted, 19 Mar 2003, Stateside: It would appear that the liberation of Iraq has begun.

Greyhawk, 18 Mar 2003, Germany: A united world could have, just maybe, brought down Saddam without firing a shot. We will never know. 19 Mar: We'll never know what a united world could have achieved... the UN could not agree on anything, the situation degenerated, and here we are. Status quo was not working. The French were too desperate for oil and trade at any cost. Well-intentioned Americans were led into the streets by Communists (and others) with an agenda. The media distorted the split. Many in America and abroad thought they could manipulate the situation to their personal gain. They miscalculated. The fire is lit.

Pontifx ex Machina, 18 Mar, undisclosed location: Rolling out the gate, the guard gets a quick "hook-em, horns" sign as we weave through the barricades. Then we're off, cruising through the desert in a battered-up SUV. On the eve of war, only one thing passes through our minds: is there going to be any appropriate music on the radio?

Lt Smash, 19 Mar, undisclosed location: Read the President's speech today. The clock is ticking.

Chief Wiggles, 22 Mar, Kuwait: The war started Wednesday morning for us right after the president gave a speech to the American people that lasted about 4 minutes. We were all very anxious for this whole thing to be either over or get it on its way.

Will, 22 Mar, en route: I am going to Baghdad to personally shoot that paper hanging son of a bitch!

Lt Smash 20 Mar, undisclosed location:
From: Public Works Department
To: Saddam Hussein
Subj: BLASTING OPERATIONS IN YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD

Sgt Stryker, 20 Mar, Stateside: Iraq to File U.N. Complaint About Attack

Primary Main Objective, 30 Mar, undisclosed location I Dare Kofi to Come Get Me.

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BruceR, Flit, 19 Mar, Canada: AND SO IT BEGINS. Godspeed, Yanks. Come home safe and soon.

Andrew Olmsted, 20 Mar 2003, Stateside: The most important thing to remember over the next few days is this: the first reports are almost always inaccurate. First reports are generally submitted in the heat of battle before any real analysis can take place. Therefore, they're highly subjective, based on limited information, and rarely hit the mark. So as the first reports of 'surgical strikes' on Iraqi forces come in, it's best to take those reports with a grain of salt...

Iraqi Blogs

Salam Pax, Baghdad: The bombing aould come and go in waves, nothing too heavy and not yet comparable to what was going on in 91. all radio and TV stations are still on and while the air raid began the Iraqi TV was showing patriotic songs and didn't even bother to inform viewers that we are under attack. at the moment they are re-airing yesterday's interview with the minister of interior affairs. THe sounds of the anti-aircarft artillery is still louder than the booms and bangs which means that they are still far from where we live, but the images we saw on Al Arabia news channel showed a building burning near one of my aunts house...

American Blogs

Glenn Reynold's has a ton of links.

Newpapers

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Updating... more to follow....


(The Dawn Patrol's Archives are here.)



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