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Greetings! You are reading an article from The Mudville Gazette. To reach the front page, with all the latest news and views, click the logo above or "main" below. Thanks for stopping by! July 24, 2009 Pride of HaileyBy GreyhawkThe New York Times explains the difference between Haily, Idaho and those nameless, failed, redneck backwaters that send their kids off to die in foreign lands for reasons unknown: And here's local coverage of the candlelight vigil. "Hailey native Joan Davies said she has known Bergdahl since he was very young" - but is struggling to figure out why he'd go to Afghanistan: "It perplexes me that he is over there. Bowe probably loves those mountain people. I have three sons and this could have happened to any one of them. I hope to send a message of communication, rather than hostility. I'd like to see 'Three Cups of Tea' happening over there," she said. Apparently the military is over there slaughtering people when they should be building schools and protecting the population and drinking tea with them and stuff. Maybe she'll look into it a little and figure the whole thing out. Maybe put up a yellow ribbon, or light another candle. Posted by Greyhawk / July 24, 2009 12:20 PM | Permalink 10 CommentsLeave a comment |
November 26, 2010America@war [Greyhawk]
I think anyone who's ever pondered the "comment" option - once only available on blogs and bulletin boards, now ubiquitous on almost any web site - will appreciate this:
The so-called faculty of writing is not so much a faculty of writing as it is a faculty of thinking. When a man says, "I have an idea but I can't express it"; that man hasn't an idea but merely a vague feeling. If a man has a feeling of that kind, and will sit down for a half an hour and persistently try to put into writing what he feels, the probabilities are at least 90 percent that he will either be able to record it, or else realize that he has no idea at all. In either case, he will do himself a benefit. That's wisdom from the past, captured for posterity at the US Naval Institute, shared via the web on the institute's 137th anniversary. From their about page:
"The Naval Institute has three core activities," among them, History and Preservation: The Naval Institute also has recently introduced Americans at War, a living history of Americans at war in their own words and from their own experiences. These 90-second vignettes convey powerful stories of inspiration, pride, and patriotism. Take a look at the collection, and you'll see it's not limited to accounts from those who served on ships at sea, members of the other branches are well-represented. I'm fortunate to have met USNI's Mary Ripley, she's responsible for the institute's oral history program (and she's the daughter of the late John Ripley, whose story is told here). She also deserves much credit for their blog. ("We're not the Navy nor any government agency. Blog and comment freely.") We met at a milblog conference - Mary knew (and I would come to realize) that milbloggers are the 21st-century version of exactly what the US Naval Institute is all about. Once that light bulb came on in my head, I mentioned a vague idea for a project to her - milblogs as the 21st century oral history that they are. "Put that in writing," she said (of course - see first paragraph above!) - and here's part of the result. Shortly after the first tent was pitched by the American military in Iraq a wire was connected to a computer therein, and the internet was available to a generation of Americans at war - many of whom had grown up online. From that point on, at any given moment, somewhere in Iraq a Soldier, Sailor, Airman or Marine was at a keyboard sharing the events of his or her day with the folks back home. While most would simply fire off an email, others took advantage of the (then) relatively new online blogging platforms to post their thoughts and experiences for the entire world to see. The milblog was born - and from that moment to this stories detailing everything from the most mundane aspects of camp life to intense combat action (often described within hours of the event) have been available on the web... And et cetera - but since you're reading this on a milblog, you probably knew that. And you know that milblogs aren't just blogs written by troops at war, that many friends, family members, and supporters likewise documented their story of America at war online in near-real time, as those stories developed. The diversity in membership of that group is broad, the one thing we all have in common is the impulse to make sense of the seemingly senseless, and communicate the tale - for each of us that impulse was strong enough to overcome whatever barriers prevent the vast majority of people from doing the same. Everyone at some point has some vague idea they believe should be shared - we were the people who, from some combination of internal and external urging, found and spent those many half hours persistently trying to write it down. But where will all that be in another 137 years? Or five or ten, for that matter. That's something I've asked myself since at least 2004 - when I wrote this:
Membership in the ghost battalion has grown in the years since, and an ever growing majority of those abandoned-but-still-standing sites are vanishing. Have you checked out Lt Smash's site lately? How about Sgt Hook's? If you're a long-time milblog reader you know the first widely-read milblog from Operation Iraq Freedom and the first widely-read milblog from Afghanistan are both gone from the web. If you're a relative newcomer to this world you may never even have heard of them - or the dozens upon dozens of others who carried forth the standard they set down. If you have a vague notion that something should be done about that, (a notion I've heard expressed more than once...) then you and I and the good folks at the US Naval Institute are in agreement. Preserving the history documented by the milbloggers is just one of the goals of the milblog project, the once-vague idea that we're now making real. And it's a big idea, if I say so myself - too big to explain in one simple blog post, so stand by for more. Likewise, it's too big a task to be accomplished by just one person. So if you're a milblogger (and exactly what is a milblogger? is a topic for much further discussion on its own) I'm asking for your help. All I'll really need is just a little bit (maybe just one or two of those half hours...) of your time, and your willingness to tell the tale. We've already made history, it's time to save it. (More to follow...) Posted 4:02 PM | Permalink |
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Mike Stokely's parents separated and divorced when he was just four months after he was born and after having barely made a whirlwind courtship and marriage last two years plus years. His parents raised in two quality homes with sound middle incomes and work ethic. Mike Stokely's parents both remarried and their spouses loved Mike as his own - he always thought the kids whose parents lived together were cheated because he had two homes where he was loved and two moms and two dads who wanted him there all the time.
Mike Stokely knew he wanted to be a soldier since middle school and was a ROTC cadet since a ninth grader. He chose to join the Georgia Army National Guard at the end of his junior year at a very academically sound suburban Atlanta high school. His two very dear friends, Chuck Alden and Charles Crowder also joined a year later. Mike could have been at the beach that summer, but he chose instead to go to Boot Camp for his basic training.
He came back for his senior year of high school and graduated with his class, took a senior class trip post-graduation to Cancun, and while there, saved a friend from drowning in a strong undertow. He then did his AIT at Ft Gordon Augusta GA and then on to college.
Mike Stokely then decided to work a while and wait on an expected call-up. True he was a redneck, like his dad and his dad's dad, and so on back through time. For Mike Stokely was raised by his mother and father to be self sustaining and not to fear holding a job.
Mike Stokely worked construction and the long days in the hot Georgia sun leaving his dad's suburban home middle class home to drive a few miles to help build an upscale suburban neighborhood did what the sun does - burn you and hince, the reason folks from the south first were called rednecks. For the record, Mike Stokely and his family before him never married their own and thus he is not both a brother and an uncle to the same person, and he married someone totally outside his family bloodline.
Mike Stokely was intelligent, determined and hardworking. He did not join the military to get a job or escape poverty or poor circumstances at home. He joined the United State Military because he loved America enough to sacrifice his time to serve her needs, and when the time came, he willingly gave his life.
And when he was killed by a roadside bomb in Iraq, he was a redneck, because the sun in the Triangle of death shines hotter and burns you more than what he ever experienced back home in Georgia.
DUTY HONOR COUNTRY
(Not Jobs, money, or ticket out of town)
proud dad SGT Mike Stokely
KIA 16 AUG 05 near Yusufiyah Iraq
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I wonder if the woman who made the "Three Cups of Tea" comment knows that Greg Mortenson (the subject of the book) is a a proud American veteran who currently works with the military regarding civil affairs in Afghanistan.
K -
I wonder if she knows the amount of condemnation most social scientists put up with (especially from their colleagues) if they "assist the American war machine".
Robert,
It never ceases to amaze me that most any potentially positive story of any American involved in the military can't avoid pointing out (whether by hints - as in this example - or more blatantly) - how the subject is so different (in background, education, or otherwise) from "typical military" members.
Unless it's the story of a criminal, or someone accused of a crime (thinking Abu Ghraib or Haditha here). In that case they're typical. But the only thing "typical" about military criminals is that they're typically the only ones who will get much attention in the national spotlight. (I wonder how much notice Jared Monti will receive?)
The bottom line is there is no "typical". Eventually you'd think someone might catch on to that. But by now I thought most people would know we aren't in Afghanistan to kill Afghans, that we've even taken that desire to protect the population to levels many would believe absurd. That maybe even "Bowe probably loves those mountain people" is not perplexing in the least.
But that day has not come.
This article seems sort of pointless and kind of silly. So there's a pretty little town in Idaho with a bunch of southern CA transplants who don't think much of the military and can't understand why anyone would want to join up. Except this guy did. Because he's adventurous. And likes mountain people.
If it turns out that he acted foolishly and that his own behavior lead to his capture it won't be such a surprise to me after reading some of these quotes, not if these were the people who had any influence over him growing up. They seem clueless about a war that's been going on for almost a decade now. Although you would think a year in the Army might have given the Private some idea about the realities of being in a war zone.
Here's hoping he returns safely.
It's almost like they've been living in a valley that time forgot, isn't it?
Don't judge Idaho by the Wood River Valley. It is a blue island in a sea of red, and indeed is not populated by Idahoans, but rather extremely wealthy folks, primarily from southern California, or other such places. That PFC Bergdahl hails and is native of the WRV is somewhat ironic.
Then again, I suppose the rest of us (native - USA JAGC Ret.) probably fall into the "redneck" category like Georgians etc.
A good point, SCS. And yours isn't the only community experiencing the impact of the flight from California by those folks who helped make it something to flee. I believe Wood River Valley would be a fine place to live, but recognize the truth Don Henley sang about years ago: "call some place paradise, kiss it goodbye".
As for quotes from folks in newspapers, it's a vicious circle - people who have a point of view based solely on reports of a topic are quoted in other reports on the topic, thus reinforcing that point of view. Why a reporter would chose to include any quote in particular is a topic for speculation, often they represent the opinion of the reporter rather than the spirit of the community.
Greyhawk, I would caution against making any speculation based on a few comments that are reported in the news. We all know that most "news" that gets reported has a shred of truth, but very few reporters put in the effort to actually find the whole truth.
I grew up in Wood River Valley, am an officer in the US Navy, and happen to be this young soldier's brother-in-law. Therefore, I would offer that our family actually does have a strong connection with the military.
Yes, our valley has been inundated with left-wing thought and California transplants, but that does not mean that everyone here holds to the same values. Just because one person in the valley is quoted as not having a clue about what our nation is doing in Afghanistan doesn't mean that everyone else in the valley has the same ignorance. The truth of the matter is that there has been overwhelming support from the valley and beyond. People want to learn more about Bowe's situation and what exactly is going on over there.
If you have any questions about this situation please take the time to do your own research before you rely on the half-true reports that come from many in the press. If you want some true insights to report on, then I will be willing to offer some.
Mike
First and foremost, your brother in law and family are in my family's thoughts and prayers. I'm fairly certain that would be echoed by about 99.99 percent of Americans.
Your points re: reporting are exactly what I was trying to say. If I failed to make that clear in my previous comment hopefully this one does.