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June 18, 2009

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Little Green Fumbles

By Greyhawk

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Given the small number of military members (as percentage of total U.S. population) today, it seems obvious that we live in an era wherein it can truly be said that never have so many owed so much to so few. But from that it should also be obvious (but apparently isn't) that never has it been so easy for so many to be hoaxed by so few.

Confused? Perhaps I can help...

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Charles Johnson:

Here's an update on the story of the anti-immigrant "activists" arrested on suspicion of murdering two people (including a 9-year old girl) in southern Arizona; Jason Eugene Bush (aka "Gunny") has now been charged with another murder: the 1997 stabbing of a homeless Mexican man.
He adds "The "Minutemen for American Defense" website contained this short bio of Bush, although I don't know if any of it has been confirmed":
We are honored to have Gunny aboard. He served 6 tours over seas, where he has several medals. He received a Purple heart, Silver and Bronze star, Combat Infantry Badge and a Presidential citation for his actions in the Special Forces.

His point being "That DHS report on right wing extremism keeps getting more relevant."

But if you're a veteran (or just familiar at all with the military), you (like several LGF commenters) probably caught that "Gunny" is a nickname for a Marine Corps rank, and this particular inbred slack-jawed thug claims Special Forces status (Army) along with a CIB (Army again).

And if you read the news story Charles linked (wherein there's no mention of alleged military service) you'd learn he

...had a lengthy criminal record in Washington, including convictions for possession of stolen property, unlawful possession of a firearm and taking a motor vehicle without permission.

After his release from prison, Bush moved to Hayden Lake, Idaho, where he lived until 2007, according to court papers.

Which means he was an awfully busy guy to fit service to his country in that resume, too.

Going after a pathetic claim like that is fish in a barrel to Jonn Lilyea, who (once again) did the legwork required to blow that particular ectothermic coelacanth right out of the dihydrogen monoxide.

Prompting this response from Charles:

The truth is that I have nothing but respect for the military services of the US. I've made that clear repeatedly at LGF; this site has been a huge supporter of the US military over the years.

My post about Jason Eugene Bush also made it very clear that none of his claims of service had been confirmed.

But even if Bush's claims were true, it wouldn't be a cut against veterans to point out that fact. Veterans can be (and have been) criminals, just as with any group in society -- in a tiny minority, as in other groups. I really can't agree that noting Bush's claim to be a veteran is a smear against all vets, especially when all due skepticism was expressed -- and I certainly did not intend it as a smear.

Let me first endorse those first two paragraphs as accurate, then declare the third an argument against an exaggeration of Lilyea's point as I read it.

And before getting to my point (which isn't about the report) let me repeat that the retracted, withdrawn, released without authorization or review (all that according to DHS Secretary Janet Napolitano, who apologetically added that "the wheels came off the wagon because the vetting process was not followed") Rightwing Extremism report was absolutely every bit as accurate and prescient as it was vague and useless. Combat arms-trained veterans are indeed desirable recruits for any organization wanting to cultivate a reputation as capable of violence (or just credibility on veterans issues) - from police forces to legitimate security firms to street gangs to organized crime families to political (in some cases extremist) groups, left, right, and otherwise.

Which is one reason why so many of the less than legitimate groups, seeking to establish a perception of credibility or capability, are eager to accept anyone who claims veteran status without bothering to vet their claims. Even when such groups have actual veterans as members (I'm thinking IVAW here) few of them want to expose a pretender (actually, IVAW accepts pretenders) - perhaps under the assumption that numbers enhance that perception.

Given that - along with other benefits and general societal appreciation that legitimate veterans accrue - it should surprise no one that the number of frauds claiming veteran status far exceeds the number of legitimate veterans who conceivably would join extremist groups - by several orders of magnitude. While this doesn't mean that no veteran would join such a group, it does mean that anyone who values their own credibility should not accept as fact (or repeat in any form other than a question) any claim by anyone seeking any potential advantage (even a date or a free drink) commensurate with veterans status without doing a minimum of checking of that claim. (And don't expect reporters covering these stories to do that for you.)



Posted by Greyhawk / June 18, 2009 11:42 AM | Permalink

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Good points, young stud, also add that, following the bad/stupid vet logic, shoudn't we have dinged all university students as their bad/stupid was proven by the existance of the Weathermen? Shouldn't we be dinging all lefties on the basis of the perverted who have been to Cuba for training?

The dude who runs LGF is a prick. Several months ago I used to visit his blog almost daily to get the news from his perspective. I would even sometimes click on his blog when I didn't have time to read it just to give him some traffic and support a fellow conservative. But then he started going nuts over the extremely annoying creationism vs evolution debate and I left a few comments on the entries expressing my disdain for reading about that topic since it's a horse that's been beaten to a bloody pulp as far as I'm concerned. And for doing so I was attacked by his "regular" commentators - who he calls "lizards" - as being an ignorant moronic creationist who's anti-science and anti-intellectual and a typical braindead Jesus freak. I tried to explain that I was in fact an "evolutionist" and a social moderate who probably knows more about science than they do and I support comprimise on the topic of teaching intelligent design in schools. He then immediately banned me from ever commenting on his site again without warning and then made fun of me in his blog the next day saying I was "pretending" to believe in evolution and am secretly a Discovery Institure operativee or something who's only there to brainwash his readers. The guy is a lifelong liberal it seems who became a neoconservative after 9/11. Which is fine. There's nothing wrong with that. I had a similar political "conversion" myself. But he seems to be a conservative on only national security and fiscal policy who hates social conservatives with a passion and is waging a Crusade to get rid of them. Which is cool. He's entitled to his opinions. I don't agree with social conservatives on everything either. But I think it does explain why he writes crap like this troop bash. He's probably pro-open borders and pro-amnesty.

Blackwater,
In a moment of great irony your comment was originally marked as "spam" by filters here - no idea why, but sorry it took so long before I caught it. Been doing site redesign/upgrade in my spare time and comments are working squirrely. (But yes, we're still into the Free Speech thing here.)

And I know where you're coming from on the science issue. One thing I've learned is that "science" as understood by it's actual practitioners is more a search for knowledge and understanding (I'm all for that!) than it is the source of unquestionable answers the faithful believe it to be. enthusiastically proclaim and support positions on global warming, evolution, etc. without a beyond eighth grade-level understanding of the actual science actually lead me to wonder how much different they are than illiterate dark-age peasants putting full faith in the what the local Bishop tells them the Bible says.

I agree they're entitled to their opinions, I just wish most people would understand the difference between those and facts.

Yep - or Octogenarians because of what this von Brunn Nazi did...

I see the Extremism report as about as accurate and useful as a fortune cookie or a palm reader. "You will find happiness and sorrow".

I think the sort of people who are keen to proclaim the accuracy of the DHS report are the same sort of people who keep the psychic hotlines in business. There seems to be no shortage of them.

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November 26, 2010


America@war
[Greyhawk]
I think anyone who's ever pondered the "comment" option - once only available on blogs and bulletin boards, now ubiquitous on almost any web site - will appreciate this:
The so-called faculty of writing is not so much a faculty of writing as it is a faculty of thinking. When a man says, "I have an idea but I can't express it"; that man hasn't an idea but merely a vague feeling. If a man has a feeling of that kind, and will sit down for a half an hour and persistently try to put into writing what he feels, the probabilities are at least 90 percent that he will either be able to record it, or else realize that he has no idea at all. In either case, he will do himself a benefit.

That's wisdom from the past, captured for posterity at the US Naval Institute, shared via the web on the institute's 137th anniversary.

From their about page:

The Naval Institute shall remain

INDEPENDENT - A non-profit member association, with no government support, that does not lobby for special interests;

NON-PARTISAN - An independent, professional military association with a mission, goals and objectives that transcend political affiliations; and shall encourage

IDEAS - Through its respected journals Proceedings and Naval History, its conferences, its books and its online content, in support of those who serve.

"The Naval Institute has three core activities," among them, History and Preservation:

The Naval Institute also has recently introduced Americans at War, a living history of Americans at war in their own words and from their own experiences. These 90-second vignettes convey powerful stories of inspiration, pride, and patriotism.

Take a look at the collection, and you'll see it's not limited to accounts from those who served on ships at sea, members of the other branches are well-represented.

I'm fortunate to have met USNI's Mary Ripley, she's responsible for the institute's oral history program (and she's the daughter of the late John Ripley, whose story is told here). She also deserves much credit for their blog. ("We're not the Navy nor any government agency. Blog and comment freely.") We met at a milblog conference - Mary knew (and I would come to realize) that milbloggers are the 21st-century version of exactly what the US Naval Institute is all about. Once that light bulb came on in my head, I mentioned a vague idea for a project to her - milblogs as the 21st century oral history that they are.

"Put that in writing," she said (of course - see first paragraph above!) - and here's part of the result.

Shortly after the first tent was pitched by the American military in Iraq a wire was connected to a computer therein, and the internet was available to a generation of Americans at war - many of whom had grown up online. From that point on, at any given moment, somewhere in Iraq a Soldier, Sailor, Airman or Marine was at a keyboard sharing the events of his or her day with the folks back home. While most would simply fire off an email, others took advantage of the (then) relatively new online blogging platforms to post their thoughts and experiences for the entire world to see. The milblog was born - and from that moment to this stories detailing everything from the most mundane aspects of camp life to intense combat action (often described within hours of the event) have been available on the web...

And et cetera - but since you're reading this on a milblog, you probably knew that. And you know that milblogs aren't just blogs written by troops at war, that many friends, family members, and supporters likewise documented their story of America at war online in near-real time, as those stories developed.

The diversity in membership of that group is broad, the one thing we all have in common is the impulse to make sense of the seemingly senseless, and communicate the tale - for each of us that impulse was strong enough to overcome whatever barriers prevent the vast majority of people from doing the same. Everyone at some point has some vague idea they believe should be shared - we were the people who, from some combination of internal and external urging, found and spent those many half hours persistently trying to write it down.

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But where will all that be in another 137 years? Or five or ten, for that matter. That's something I've asked myself since at least 2004 - when I wrote this:

Closing Blogs is nothing new. So many site's owners just give up on their own. They come and go, you know, these MilBloggers do. Like any other sort of blogger. Many post in the lonely down hours far from home, spill their guts for the world, then abandon their spots when the tour of duty is up. They have lives again somewhere in the world, and no need to share the details. So it goes.

Many are truly gone - no site left at all. "The page cannot be found." Other blogs remain, like abandoned defensive positions in shifting desert sands.

Membership in the ghost battalion has grown in the years since, and an ever growing majority of those abandoned-but-still-standing sites are vanishing. Have you checked out Lt Smash's site lately? How about Sgt Hook's? If you're a long-time milblog reader you know the first widely-read milblog from Operation Iraq Freedom and the first widely-read milblog from Afghanistan are both gone from the web. If you're a relative newcomer to this world you may never even have heard of them - or the dozens upon dozens of others who carried forth the standard they set down.

If you have a vague notion that something should be done about that, (a notion I've heard expressed more than once...) then you and I and the good folks at the US Naval Institute are in agreement. Preserving the history documented by the milbloggers is just one of the goals of the milblog project, the once-vague idea that we're now making real.

And it's a big idea, if I say so myself - too big to explain in one simple blog post, so stand by for more. Likewise, it's too big a task to be accomplished by just one person. So if you're a milblogger (and exactly what is a milblogger? is a topic for much further discussion on its own) I'm asking for your help. All I'll really need is just a little bit (maybe just one or two of those half hours...) of your time, and your willingness to tell the tale.

We've already made history, it's time to save it.

(More to follow...)




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Tending Distant
Fires


Far from hearth and home, watching
Cold alone but not alone
On distant shore and only wanting
Safe return and little more

What tales we'll tell
When that time comes
When tales can be told

When things grim
Seem far away
When other fires go cold

Some distant sunset, vision fading
Memories remain
And tired eyes gaze 'pon folded flags
While distant drums beat their refrain

Saluting fallen friends whose names
And youth will never fade
Here's to those on other shores,
for them live well, the price is paid

- Greyhawk,
Baghdad,
December 2004