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May 8, 2009

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You Don't Say?

By Greyhawk

Glenn Reynolds: "You know, if someone asked me to go hire a a gay Arabic linguist, I wouldn’t know where to start. But the federal government seems to be firing them every time I turn around."

Yep, I've noticed that too. And apparently there aren't enough straight Arab linguists to go 'round:

“On Monday, September 10th 2001, a message was intercepted by the State Department: tomorrow is zero hour. Despite its simplicity, nobody was able to translate it. Any of the dozens of linguists already discharged for being gay at the time would have done so easily.”
I have no idea how many bilingual homosexuals have fallen victim to State Department (or other government agency) purges over the years, but as for the military, 26 gay Arabic/Farsi linguists were reportedly discharged between 1998 and 2004, and the trend continues to this day.

But here's an interesting option being presented to Sniffington Post readers:

The "don't ask, don't tell" law requires the military to fire anyone found to be gay or lesbian. But there is nothing requiring the military to make such a finding. The president can simply order the military to stop investigating service members' sexuality.
The problem with that approach is that ain't how it works. If the military was "investigating service members sexuality" then the President could arguably order them to stop, If they were investigating per congressional mandate (aka "law") that could set the President at odds with Congress, but if he feels strongly enough about the issue he could certainly take them on. (And too bad for the military - caught in the middle of that one.)

But the "don't ask don't tell" policy includes an apparently obscure clause that this argument overlooks. "Don't ask" - this is the part that forbids the investigations the President is being urged to forbid, and the military holds up it's end of the bargain quite well. In reality it's violation of the "don't tell" part that leads to expulsion of so many gay Arabic linguists, as gay Arabic linguist Ian Finkenbinder explains here.

But there are two reasons for a military member - gay or straight - to "tell". One is to stand up for their rights as a homosexual, the other is to get out of the military. The other reason is used far more frequently than gay rights activists would like you to know. (The numbers would be difficult to determine, but how many of the dozens of booted Arabic linguists have you noticed campaigning for their right to return?) Don't confuse my statement of experience-based fact for opinion - for my part, I'll answer any question regarding my opinion on don't ask/don't tell truthfully and as straightforwardly as I can: Don't care.

Meanwhile, "Democrats in Congress also believe there's a dangerous shortage of Arabic speakers in uniform" CNN assures us in the video above. They forget to mention it's congress that drives this particular train. Arguing whether or not the President should override their authority - or urging the military to selectively obey Congress or the President - is a non-starter. As ideas go that one's totally... wrong.

Update: heh - President Obama sends note to gay Chinese-American Christian female soldier saying he won't be repealing DADT any time soon because of Congress.

Funny, the number of simultaneous news stories on this topic. Sort of reminds me of the heavy spontaneous coverage given to a CNN reporter asking President Obama a question about flag draped coffins at Dover just before the policy was modified. A suspicious-minded person would think some sort of coordinated conspiracy was at work here.

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Other milblogs I've checked so far: 'nuttin. They might be in the "don't care" category too.


Posted by Greyhawk / May 8, 2009 3:55 PM | Permalink

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Teed Up from Mudville Gazette on May 12, 2009 5:51 PM

National Security Advisor James Jones on repealing Don't Ask/Don't Tell:JONES: So it's a complicated issue. It will be teed up (ph) appropriately and it will be discussed in the way the president does things, which is be very deliberative, very thought... Read More

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It is not "policy" It is law. Art 125. To change it requires congress to change the law.
- Don't ask just means we do not do witch-hunts.
- Don't tell is the Fifth Ammendment right not to self-incriminate.

If someone voluntarily admits publically to criminal behavior, then they suffer the consequenses. Just like any other criminal.

If this is to change, then the id10ts arguing for the change need to focus on changing the LAW. That is CONGRESS they need to be twisting the arms of...

if we are need of Arabic linguist why aren't moderate Muslims beating down the Pentagon's doors to join up? I thought they supported this country

I would weigh in, but I fear being on the side of VoteVets and IAVA would hurt my street cred, so I am sitting this one out, rather than hand any extra ammo to the clowns who would just misuse it.

Actually, the "don't tell" part is not as clear cut as this makes it seem. Take for example the story of Alex Nicholson, who wrote a private letter to his ex-boyfriend in Portuguese, but was discharged after a colleague saw the letter on his desk, translated and reported it. That's not exactly "telling," is it?

Plus the policy has no provisions for the punishment of military members who do ask, do pursue or do harass. The rules do limit investigations and the collection of evidence but no clause throws out evidence obtained improperly.

And you can read the study by Aaron Belkin and others, explaining the legal options for the presdident and how it relates to Congress here.

Thanks for discussing this,

Indra Lusero, Palm Center Assistant Director

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November 26, 2010


America@war
[Greyhawk]
I think anyone who's ever pondered the "comment" option - once only available on blogs and bulletin boards, now ubiquitous on almost any web site - will appreciate this:
The so-called faculty of writing is not so much a faculty of writing as it is a faculty of thinking. When a man says, "I have an idea but I can't express it"; that man hasn't an idea but merely a vague feeling. If a man has a feeling of that kind, and will sit down for a half an hour and persistently try to put into writing what he feels, the probabilities are at least 90 percent that he will either be able to record it, or else realize that he has no idea at all. In either case, he will do himself a benefit.

That's wisdom from the past, captured for posterity at the US Naval Institute, shared via the web on the institute's 137th anniversary.

From their about page:

The Naval Institute shall remain

INDEPENDENT - A non-profit member association, with no government support, that does not lobby for special interests;

NON-PARTISAN - An independent, professional military association with a mission, goals and objectives that transcend political affiliations; and shall encourage

IDEAS - Through its respected journals Proceedings and Naval History, its conferences, its books and its online content, in support of those who serve.

"The Naval Institute has three core activities," among them, History and Preservation:

The Naval Institute also has recently introduced Americans at War, a living history of Americans at war in their own words and from their own experiences. These 90-second vignettes convey powerful stories of inspiration, pride, and patriotism.

Take a look at the collection, and you'll see it's not limited to accounts from those who served on ships at sea, members of the other branches are well-represented.

I'm fortunate to have met USNI's Mary Ripley, she's responsible for the institute's oral history program (and she's the daughter of the late John Ripley, whose story is told here). She also deserves much credit for their blog. ("We're not the Navy nor any government agency. Blog and comment freely.") We met at a milblog conference - Mary knew (and I would come to realize) that milbloggers are the 21st-century version of exactly what the US Naval Institute is all about. Once that light bulb came on in my head, I mentioned a vague idea for a project to her - milblogs as the 21st century oral history that they are.

"Put that in writing," she said (of course - see first paragraph above!) - and here's part of the result.

Shortly after the first tent was pitched by the American military in Iraq a wire was connected to a computer therein, and the internet was available to a generation of Americans at war - many of whom had grown up online. From that point on, at any given moment, somewhere in Iraq a Soldier, Sailor, Airman or Marine was at a keyboard sharing the events of his or her day with the folks back home. While most would simply fire off an email, others took advantage of the (then) relatively new online blogging platforms to post their thoughts and experiences for the entire world to see. The milblog was born - and from that moment to this stories detailing everything from the most mundane aspects of camp life to intense combat action (often described within hours of the event) have been available on the web...

And et cetera - but since you're reading this on a milblog, you probably knew that. And you know that milblogs aren't just blogs written by troops at war, that many friends, family members, and supporters likewise documented their story of America at war online in near-real time, as those stories developed.

The diversity in membership of that group is broad, the one thing we all have in common is the impulse to make sense of the seemingly senseless, and communicate the tale - for each of us that impulse was strong enough to overcome whatever barriers prevent the vast majority of people from doing the same. Everyone at some point has some vague idea they believe should be shared - we were the people who, from some combination of internal and external urging, found and spent those many half hours persistently trying to write it down.

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But where will all that be in another 137 years? Or five or ten, for that matter. That's something I've asked myself since at least 2004 - when I wrote this:

Closing Blogs is nothing new. So many site's owners just give up on their own. They come and go, you know, these MilBloggers do. Like any other sort of blogger. Many post in the lonely down hours far from home, spill their guts for the world, then abandon their spots when the tour of duty is up. They have lives again somewhere in the world, and no need to share the details. So it goes.

Many are truly gone - no site left at all. "The page cannot be found." Other blogs remain, like abandoned defensive positions in shifting desert sands.

Membership in the ghost battalion has grown in the years since, and an ever growing majority of those abandoned-but-still-standing sites are vanishing. Have you checked out Lt Smash's site lately? How about Sgt Hook's? If you're a long-time milblog reader you know the first widely-read milblog from Operation Iraq Freedom and the first widely-read milblog from Afghanistan are both gone from the web. If you're a relative newcomer to this world you may never even have heard of them - or the dozens upon dozens of others who carried forth the standard they set down.

If you have a vague notion that something should be done about that, (a notion I've heard expressed more than once...) then you and I and the good folks at the US Naval Institute are in agreement. Preserving the history documented by the milbloggers is just one of the goals of the milblog project, the once-vague idea that we're now making real.

And it's a big idea, if I say so myself - too big to explain in one simple blog post, so stand by for more. Likewise, it's too big a task to be accomplished by just one person. So if you're a milblogger (and exactly what is a milblogger? is a topic for much further discussion on its own) I'm asking for your help. All I'll really need is just a little bit (maybe just one or two of those half hours...) of your time, and your willingness to tell the tale.

We've already made history, it's time to save it.

(More to follow...)




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Tending Distant
Fires


Far from hearth and home, watching
Cold alone but not alone
On distant shore and only wanting
Safe return and little more

What tales we'll tell
When that time comes
When tales can be told

When things grim
Seem far away
When other fires go cold

Some distant sunset, vision fading
Memories remain
And tired eyes gaze 'pon folded flags
While distant drums beat their refrain

Saluting fallen friends whose names
And youth will never fade
Here's to those on other shores,
for them live well, the price is paid

- Greyhawk,
Baghdad,
December 2004