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May 1, 2009

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The Greyhawk Clause

By Greyhawk

Transferability of GI Bill education benefits will be limited:

The rules for Post-9/11 GI Bill transferability are in the final stages, and Clark said the Defense Department expects few changes, if any.

In a nutshell, any enlisted or commissioned member of the armed forces serving on active duty or in the Selected Reserve on or after Aug. 1 will be eligible to transfer their benefits - as long as they qualify for the Post-9/11 GI Bill in the first place and meet specific service requirements, Clark explained.

He emphasized that, by law, anyone who has retired or separated from the service before that date - even if it's July 31 - won't be entitled to transfer their benefits. Also excluded will be members of the Individual Ready Reserve and Fleet Reserve.

Most servicemembers who have at least six years of military service as of Aug. 1 and agree to serve an additional four years qualify, he said.

So a guy like me - who just retired after 24 years and two tours in Iraq and actually has college age kids will not have the option, while someone who gets out after 10 years of Stateside duty will.

The magic date is August 1, 2009 - after that things keep getting worse (I think - the following is poorly worded - there's a difference between "eligible to retire" and "with an approved retirement date" and I can't deconflict them as written below):

- Those eligible for retirement on Aug. 1, 2009, would be eligible to transfer their benefits with no additional service requirement.

- Those with an approved retirement date after Aug. 1, 2009, and before July 1, 2010, would qualify with no additional service.

- Those eligible for retirement after Aug. 1, 2009, but before Aug. 1, 2010, would qualify with one additional year of service after electing to transfer their Post-9/11 GI Bill benefits.

- Those eligible for retirement between Aug. 1, 2010, and July 31, 2011, would qualify with two additional years of service after electing to transfer.

- Those eligible to retire between Aug. 1, 2011, and July 31, 2012, would qualify with three additional years of service after electing to transfer.

So again, someone with ten years is good enough, twenty is not. (And you might see an unusually large number of people electing to retire on 1 August this year as a result of this.)

I get the retention bit (although this gives someone contemplating an exit at ten years more incentive to do it) but in many ways this is a slap in the face to many veterans who worked awfully hard to earn this benefit (in more ways than one.)

In my case, my intent was to use the benefits for myself - I'm glad to have them and I was even concerned that my kids could be denied other student aid/scholarship funds if my benefits could be transferred to them. But it seems to me the (surely well-intentioned) folks who make the rules regarding this and other veterans benefits work awfully hard to ensure some small subset of the veteran population gets screwed. Every. Time.


Posted by Greyhawk / May 1, 2009 1:26 PM | Permalink

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I'll totally sound like the naive, Pollyanna civilian when I ask this, Greyhawk, but isn't there anything that can be done for people who fall into this subset you have described? Moreover, is there anything that can be done to prevent something this absurd from happening again?

You are right. It seems grossly unfair to those like you who have devoted their lives to the military. Just trying to understand...

Time will tell whether this wrong will be made right. suspect someone somewhere knows that guys like me have college age kids - and that therefore the cost of actually giving us the full benefit might be too high.

But "guys like me" is the key - I'll use the benefit for my own education. (At least that's part of my plan). But I know other guys who will be screwed.

Can that be prevented in the future? No, the DoD pays a lot of folks a lot of money to look for all the ways they can minimize the amount of money given to other folks. (And they'll always ensure it's a small group getting screwed.)

Time to get out the old "Tea Bags" again. Who ever thought this one up should be run outa town.

Not to be agreeing with the VA here, but this happens every time a benefit is expanded or improved. There are Cold War vets complaining that they should get the new GI Bill benefits.
The timing sucks, but there has to be a cut off somewhere.
For myself, I have 4 1/2 years of active duty time in 17 years in the Guard. Shouldn't I get to transfer my benefits?
Either way Greyhawk, I am using my GI bill bennies now and it is a nice way to go.

It may have to do with the whole "ex-post facto law stuff, and as a law, they can't necessarily back-date it. As a policy or benefit, I assume they could.

What makes sense for AD guys is the GI bill bennies for post 9/11 apply to anyone serving on 9/12 or later. For reservists, the portion of their active duty (federal) time benefits, if served after 9/11, should be eligible for the post 9/11 GIB. Transferability is pretty cool, but now that you are a georgian, your kids can go to school free (in GA) via the hope scholarship--just make them get a "B" average, and you're golden. (And if they opt to let their grades slide, tell them you'll have a recruiter at the house by the time they get home for dinner.)

The thing I don't care for about transferability (or even college loans) is that I earned my degree the same way you did--by serving first. It made the education and college experience so much more important than just nintendo and chasing tail--which was also a priority--but I forced myself to get something worthwhile out of college.

Unfortunately, my stupidity knows no bounds, and now I am just an educated moron.

Dave, the answer is too easy: anyone over 10 years in can transfer the benefits.

The tricky part kicked in with the wording of the bill, which was designed to give first-termers incentive to stay another hitch by only giving transfer bennies to those who did. That congressional scripture has now been interpreted by the high priests at the Pentagon to be applied to anyone - anyone, regardless of their time served, must now serve more to qualify to transfer their benefits. Sorry, telling a guy over twenty that he's got to do three more just ain't right.

Again: I get the New GI Bill, and plan on using it for myself (not my kids) anyway. I'm just ever amazed at efforts by the Pentagon to limit and deny benefits to the troops as much as possible. Congress finally gives us a worthwhile GI Bill and the effing Pentagon immediately assigns a team to study it for loopholes and phrasing to determine how they can deny it to as many people as they possibly can.

"The troops" have no worse enemy.

I entered active duty in 1977 and was told in the basic course that I was eligible for the Vietnam-era GI Bill. Then when I went to use it, the VA informed me I was not. Neither was I eligible for VEAP, since it by law applied only to those entering active duty (1979, IIRC) after I did. Then came the Montgomery GI Bill, which specified in the enactment itself that only those entering active duty for the first time on or after June 30, 1985 would be eligible. So I retired with zero education benefits - nada, none, zilch. I paid for my Master degree without a centavo of service-related aid.

So stop whining.

Don, I may have failed to make myself clear on this, that's my fault. If I was being denied something I wanted for myself I'd accept the "whining" accusation and even thank you for snapping me out of it. But "I got mine" - so it would be easy for me to ignore this. But there are guys I still think of as "mine" (or my peers) who are going to be hosed by this.

And frankly, the "I had it tougher" argument really strikes me as surprising from you. There are any number of ways guys coming in now have many better options than I did or you did, and the Vietnam-era guys told me back when about how bad they had it (but I'd already heard it from the WWII era guys I called Dad and Uncle). They're the guys who made those improvements possible in more ways than one, and I'll stand up for them (and you) too.

vr, etc.

My congressmen have heard from me, Senator Webb included.

Congress is flushing billions down the toilet (wanna buy a Fiat anyone?), but we're going cut corners on new military benefits?

Just because we got it wrong before doesn't mean we don't try to do a better job this time around.

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November 26, 2010


America@war
[Greyhawk]
I think anyone who's ever pondered the "comment" option - once only available on blogs and bulletin boards, now ubiquitous on almost any web site - will appreciate this:
The so-called faculty of writing is not so much a faculty of writing as it is a faculty of thinking. When a man says, "I have an idea but I can't express it"; that man hasn't an idea but merely a vague feeling. If a man has a feeling of that kind, and will sit down for a half an hour and persistently try to put into writing what he feels, the probabilities are at least 90 percent that he will either be able to record it, or else realize that he has no idea at all. In either case, he will do himself a benefit.

That's wisdom from the past, captured for posterity at the US Naval Institute, shared via the web on the institute's 137th anniversary.

From their about page:

The Naval Institute shall remain

INDEPENDENT - A non-profit member association, with no government support, that does not lobby for special interests;

NON-PARTISAN - An independent, professional military association with a mission, goals and objectives that transcend political affiliations; and shall encourage

IDEAS - Through its respected journals Proceedings and Naval History, its conferences, its books and its online content, in support of those who serve.

"The Naval Institute has three core activities," among them, History and Preservation:

The Naval Institute also has recently introduced Americans at War, a living history of Americans at war in their own words and from their own experiences. These 90-second vignettes convey powerful stories of inspiration, pride, and patriotism.

Take a look at the collection, and you'll see it's not limited to accounts from those who served on ships at sea, members of the other branches are well-represented.

I'm fortunate to have met USNI's Mary Ripley, she's responsible for the institute's oral history program (and she's the daughter of the late John Ripley, whose story is told here). She also deserves much credit for their blog. ("We're not the Navy nor any government agency. Blog and comment freely.") We met at a milblog conference - Mary knew (and I would come to realize) that milbloggers are the 21st-century version of exactly what the US Naval Institute is all about. Once that light bulb came on in my head, I mentioned a vague idea for a project to her - milblogs as the 21st century oral history that they are.

"Put that in writing," she said (of course - see first paragraph above!) - and here's part of the result.

Shortly after the first tent was pitched by the American military in Iraq a wire was connected to a computer therein, and the internet was available to a generation of Americans at war - many of whom had grown up online. From that point on, at any given moment, somewhere in Iraq a Soldier, Sailor, Airman or Marine was at a keyboard sharing the events of his or her day with the folks back home. While most would simply fire off an email, others took advantage of the (then) relatively new online blogging platforms to post their thoughts and experiences for the entire world to see. The milblog was born - and from that moment to this stories detailing everything from the most mundane aspects of camp life to intense combat action (often described within hours of the event) have been available on the web...

And et cetera - but since you're reading this on a milblog, you probably knew that. And you know that milblogs aren't just blogs written by troops at war, that many friends, family members, and supporters likewise documented their story of America at war online in near-real time, as those stories developed.

The diversity in membership of that group is broad, the one thing we all have in common is the impulse to make sense of the seemingly senseless, and communicate the tale - for each of us that impulse was strong enough to overcome whatever barriers prevent the vast majority of people from doing the same. Everyone at some point has some vague idea they believe should be shared - we were the people who, from some combination of internal and external urging, found and spent those many half hours persistently trying to write it down.

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But where will all that be in another 137 years? Or five or ten, for that matter. That's something I've asked myself since at least 2004 - when I wrote this:

Closing Blogs is nothing new. So many site's owners just give up on their own. They come and go, you know, these MilBloggers do. Like any other sort of blogger. Many post in the lonely down hours far from home, spill their guts for the world, then abandon their spots when the tour of duty is up. They have lives again somewhere in the world, and no need to share the details. So it goes.

Many are truly gone - no site left at all. "The page cannot be found." Other blogs remain, like abandoned defensive positions in shifting desert sands.

Membership in the ghost battalion has grown in the years since, and an ever growing majority of those abandoned-but-still-standing sites are vanishing. Have you checked out Lt Smash's site lately? How about Sgt Hook's? If you're a long-time milblog reader you know the first widely-read milblog from Operation Iraq Freedom and the first widely-read milblog from Afghanistan are both gone from the web. If you're a relative newcomer to this world you may never even have heard of them - or the dozens upon dozens of others who carried forth the standard they set down.

If you have a vague notion that something should be done about that, (a notion I've heard expressed more than once...) then you and I and the good folks at the US Naval Institute are in agreement. Preserving the history documented by the milbloggers is just one of the goals of the milblog project, the once-vague idea that we're now making real.

And it's a big idea, if I say so myself - too big to explain in one simple blog post, so stand by for more. Likewise, it's too big a task to be accomplished by just one person. So if you're a milblogger (and exactly what is a milblogger? is a topic for much further discussion on its own) I'm asking for your help. All I'll really need is just a little bit (maybe just one or two of those half hours...) of your time, and your willingness to tell the tale.

We've already made history, it's time to save it.

(More to follow...)




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The Mudville Gazette is written and produced by Greyhawk, who recently retired from 24 years of active duty in the US military, but will maintain this disclaimer: Unless otherwise credited, the opinions expressed are those of the author, and nothing here is to be taken as representing the official position of or endorsement by the United States Department of Defense or any of its subordinate components.

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Tending Distant
Fires


Far from hearth and home, watching
Cold alone but not alone
On distant shore and only wanting
Safe return and little more

What tales we'll tell
When that time comes
When tales can be told

When things grim
Seem far away
When other fires go cold

Some distant sunset, vision fading
Memories remain
And tired eyes gaze 'pon folded flags
While distant drums beat their refrain

Saluting fallen friends whose names
And youth will never fade
Here's to those on other shores,
for them live well, the price is paid

- Greyhawk,
Baghdad,
December 2004