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April 27, 2009

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Guns and Hoses

By Greyhawk

"It's tough to be on the end of a water hose if the other guy is on the end of an RPG"
- General David Petraeus to members of congress

Among other stories I missed while at the milblogs conference:

Gen. David Petraeus, who came to the Capitol to talk about a wide variety of issues, told a House committee Friday that just trying to outrun or block pirates from boarding cargo ships isn't enough to deter sea bandits off the Somali coast who are becoming more aggressive. The Pentagon is starting to study how to better protect merchant shipping, but hasn't yet come up with a formal plan.

The shipping industry has resisted arming their boats, which would deny them port in some nations.

In response to questions from a House Appropriations subcommittee, Petraeus said defensive preparations short of armed guards "can work. You can have water hoses and others that can make it more difficult."

But in a wry tone, he added: "It's tough to be on the end of a water hose if the other guy is on the end of an RPG. So you've got to think your way through that calculation as well."

Wish I had caught that one. I was at the White House talking about the issue at the same time.

Neither the White House or congress determines whether merchant ships will arm themselves or not, but the one word answer I got to the "why can't merchant ships be armed" question was insurance.

More on all that (and the conference) shortly.


Posted by Greyhawk / April 27, 2009 7:24 AM | Permalink

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Guns and Hoses (II) from Mudville Gazette on April 27, 2009 11:23 PM

A member of the crew on the U.S.-flagged ship hijacked by African pirates sued the owner and another company Monday, accusing them of knowingly putting sailors in danger. Richard E. Hicks alleges in the suit that owner Maersk Line Limited and Waterman ... Read More

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Sir,

If you have any specific questions about insurance - let me know. I work for the North American HQ of the Swiss Insurance Behemoth...

Thanks, John. I'll send you an email today.

The immediate question: is the "insurance" answer correct in the first place.

If so it strikes me as odd that risk is considered higher with weapons than without. It seems that at least in some waters that weapons reduce risk - but insurance companies are compilers of statistics and profit-driven (nothing wrong with that) so (again, if so) I likewise assume there are valid reasons (though I wonder if they are outdated) for their decisions.

I didn't take up these follow on questions with the NSC folks, btw. I brought it up in the first place only to see if I could gauge familiarity by response.

I remember a doctor who retired years earlier than he needed to because he was tired of some 20 year old with a high school education in an insurance office in New York City telling him how to practice medicine.

It seems that something similar might be going on WRT shipping and piracy.

One thing that might cut down on piracy would be to make paying ransom more expensive for insurance companies. My modest proposal would be a 300% tax on ransom payments to pirates. For example, the insurance company pays $2 million to the pirates but it costs them $8 million dollars total. Make it painful enough that paying off the pirates is no longer the path of least resistance.

It would strike me as odd if it were otherwise.

At sea we still have the same mentality that airlines had before 9/11. Fighting back increases the risk someone will be killed, and is therefore to be avoided.

My firm, Nexus Consulting, has dissected the laws and insurance issues, and we currently have armed security contracts in place for US flagged vessels traveling the Gulf of Aden.

Nexus Consulting worked with legal counsel, experts at Mass Maritime and MITAGS, and US Embassy Special Agents over the world to come up with the best solution.

It’s really not as hard as it seems.

Yes, risk was an issue, as well as traditions. To add to this, countries whose civilians are not allowed to be armed by law (UK to name one) drive the train of the international community who suggest maritime postures (IMO). Yes, more needs to be done on the diplomatic level to allow greater confidence in the legal discrepancies on the high-seas. But YES, it can be done legally.

Insurance companies based in the UK who recognized this limit on defensive postures advocated for “just going along with the pirates” as they would pay the ransoms… albeit at an exponential premium increase to the US shipping lines…

I guess this stance was ok as long as the shipping lines wanted to pay the higher premiums, but when the pirates called out US flagged vessels, they increased the likelihood of serious bodily harm to US citizens.

This increase of likelihood of serious bodily harm absolutely required an increase in the ability of the US flag vessels to defend themselves.

We have presented what we are calling “The Nexus Solution” to the shipping lines and as many are having their legal counsels review the Nexus Solution, we are receiving more and more contract inquires.

My point is, the industry posture has been dictated for years by a questionable relationship between countries who are bound by home country laws preventing them from providing civilian armed personnel on ship and insurance companies who are all to willing to perpetuate the “go along to get along” security model.

At Nexus Consulting, we think no US citizen or civilians traveling on US flagged vessels need to place their live at any greater risk than they already are on the high-seas and as such, dissected the laws involved and have the answer to protect them.

Finally, speaking on the issue of escalation… How much further up the escalation of force model can already AK-47 firing, RGP launching pirates who have the means, ability and intent to do harm to US flagged vessels escalate? Do we REALLY need to wait for a dead US citizen before we take affirmative actions? At Nexus, we say NO!

Thank you.

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November 26, 2010


America@war
[Greyhawk]
I think anyone who's ever pondered the "comment" option - once only available on blogs and bulletin boards, now ubiquitous on almost any web site - will appreciate this:
The so-called faculty of writing is not so much a faculty of writing as it is a faculty of thinking. When a man says, "I have an idea but I can't express it"; that man hasn't an idea but merely a vague feeling. If a man has a feeling of that kind, and will sit down for a half an hour and persistently try to put into writing what he feels, the probabilities are at least 90 percent that he will either be able to record it, or else realize that he has no idea at all. In either case, he will do himself a benefit.

That's wisdom from the past, captured for posterity at the US Naval Institute, shared via the web on the institute's 137th anniversary.

From their about page:

The Naval Institute shall remain

INDEPENDENT - A non-profit member association, with no government support, that does not lobby for special interests;

NON-PARTISAN - An independent, professional military association with a mission, goals and objectives that transcend political affiliations; and shall encourage

IDEAS - Through its respected journals Proceedings and Naval History, its conferences, its books and its online content, in support of those who serve.

"The Naval Institute has three core activities," among them, History and Preservation:

The Naval Institute also has recently introduced Americans at War, a living history of Americans at war in their own words and from their own experiences. These 90-second vignettes convey powerful stories of inspiration, pride, and patriotism.

Take a look at the collection, and you'll see it's not limited to accounts from those who served on ships at sea, members of the other branches are well-represented.

I'm fortunate to have met USNI's Mary Ripley, she's responsible for the institute's oral history program (and she's the daughter of the late John Ripley, whose story is told here). She also deserves much credit for their blog. ("We're not the Navy nor any government agency. Blog and comment freely.") We met at a milblog conference - Mary knew (and I would come to realize) that milbloggers are the 21st-century version of exactly what the US Naval Institute is all about. Once that light bulb came on in my head, I mentioned a vague idea for a project to her - milblogs as the 21st century oral history that they are.

"Put that in writing," she said (of course - see first paragraph above!) - and here's part of the result.

Shortly after the first tent was pitched by the American military in Iraq a wire was connected to a computer therein, and the internet was available to a generation of Americans at war - many of whom had grown up online. From that point on, at any given moment, somewhere in Iraq a Soldier, Sailor, Airman or Marine was at a keyboard sharing the events of his or her day with the folks back home. While most would simply fire off an email, others took advantage of the (then) relatively new online blogging platforms to post their thoughts and experiences for the entire world to see. The milblog was born - and from that moment to this stories detailing everything from the most mundane aspects of camp life to intense combat action (often described within hours of the event) have been available on the web...

And et cetera - but since you're reading this on a milblog, you probably knew that. And you know that milblogs aren't just blogs written by troops at war, that many friends, family members, and supporters likewise documented their story of America at war online in near-real time, as those stories developed.

The diversity in membership of that group is broad, the one thing we all have in common is the impulse to make sense of the seemingly senseless, and communicate the tale - for each of us that impulse was strong enough to overcome whatever barriers prevent the vast majority of people from doing the same. Everyone at some point has some vague idea they believe should be shared - we were the people who, from some combination of internal and external urging, found and spent those many half hours persistently trying to write it down.

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But where will all that be in another 137 years? Or five or ten, for that matter. That's something I've asked myself since at least 2004 - when I wrote this:

Closing Blogs is nothing new. So many site's owners just give up on their own. They come and go, you know, these MilBloggers do. Like any other sort of blogger. Many post in the lonely down hours far from home, spill their guts for the world, then abandon their spots when the tour of duty is up. They have lives again somewhere in the world, and no need to share the details. So it goes.

Many are truly gone - no site left at all. "The page cannot be found." Other blogs remain, like abandoned defensive positions in shifting desert sands.

Membership in the ghost battalion has grown in the years since, and an ever growing majority of those abandoned-but-still-standing sites are vanishing. Have you checked out Lt Smash's site lately? How about Sgt Hook's? If you're a long-time milblog reader you know the first widely-read milblog from Operation Iraq Freedom and the first widely-read milblog from Afghanistan are both gone from the web. If you're a relative newcomer to this world you may never even have heard of them - or the dozens upon dozens of others who carried forth the standard they set down.

If you have a vague notion that something should be done about that, (a notion I've heard expressed more than once...) then you and I and the good folks at the US Naval Institute are in agreement. Preserving the history documented by the milbloggers is just one of the goals of the milblog project, the once-vague idea that we're now making real.

And it's a big idea, if I say so myself - too big to explain in one simple blog post, so stand by for more. Likewise, it's too big a task to be accomplished by just one person. So if you're a milblogger (and exactly what is a milblogger? is a topic for much further discussion on its own) I'm asking for your help. All I'll really need is just a little bit (maybe just one or two of those half hours...) of your time, and your willingness to tell the tale.

We've already made history, it's time to save it.

(More to follow...)




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Tending Distant
Fires


Far from hearth and home, watching
Cold alone but not alone
On distant shore and only wanting
Safe return and little more

What tales we'll tell
When that time comes
When tales can be told

When things grim
Seem far away
When other fires go cold

Some distant sunset, vision fading
Memories remain
And tired eyes gaze 'pon folded flags
While distant drums beat their refrain

Saluting fallen friends whose names
And youth will never fade
Here's to those on other shores,
for them live well, the price is paid

- Greyhawk,
Baghdad,
December 2004