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April 12, 2009

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A New Way to Nowhere

By Greyhawk

Glenn Reynolds notes anemic turnout for anti-bank "New Way Forward" rallies: "They could only get a hundred to turn out in San Francisco?

In this case, the question was pre-answered:

When the banks told the White House they wouldn't cooperate with the PPIP plan unless they got their bonuses, and the administration made the decision to "ratchet down their rhetoric," the call went out to the liberal interest groups to stay silent too...and silent they remain.
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There's a big problem right now with the traditional liberal interest groups sitting on the sidelines around major issues because they don't want to buck the White House for fear of getting cut out of the dialogue, or having their funding slashed. Someone picks up a phone, calls a big donor, and the next thing you know...the money is gone. It's already happened. Because that's the way Rahm plays.
Those on the Left who pay attention to these sorts of things have been instructed not to pay attention - and they're following their instructions.


Posted by Greyhawk / April 12, 2009 10:21 AM | Permalink

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They say that a government strong enough to give you things is strong enough to take them away.

The same is true of a donor. I guess someone is figuring that out right now.

actually, i was at the protest in san francisco: there were definitely more people than just 100. it wasn't as large as i'd hoped it would be, but it's also not as small as reynolds makes out. there were men there from an organization called "end the fed" who were not even liberals, yet they were interested in discussing the problems we're facing re:the banks. i was glad to talk to them.

is there a way to come together on this as a country? we're not going to resolve this issue if we keep sniping at each other and continue to allow the banks to chip away at the government.

"we're not going to resolve this issue if we keep sniping at each other"

That's correct. In the post above, I'm uncritically linking a Left wing blogger who is complaining about how left wing organizations are knuckling under when told to do so - but who is simultaneously and none-too-subtly demanding a payoff to join the club. That's not sniping. (In fairness to you, you didn't accuse me of sniping.)

In another post on the pirate story I supportively linked a left wing blogger who was pointing out that right wing bloggers were indeed "sniping" (better terms could be used, but this will do) in attempting to blame Barack Obama for the pirate situation.

This is the sort of stuff that gets me condemned as a "Democrat" by Republicans and vice versa. As long as both sides see membership in the other as condemnation, no, there will be no consensus regardless of how you or I wish otherwise.

In th emeantime, however, I'll call 'em like I see 'em.

Had there been a "way forward" event in my area I would have gone, and talked to the folks there and reported back here. There is a Tea Party scheduled, and I intend to attend. I hope the crowd, regardless of size, is diverse for exactly the reason you indicate.

I'll let you know how it goes.

Should have thought of that 8 years ago, burnt offering. To quote Sam Adams, you and your kind are "no longer our countrymen."

Burnt offerings: I linked a news report from what looked like a sympathetic source (the SFSU student paper, I believe) and it said 100.

I get really, really tired of
"I was there, and there were X
number of people there" without a
shred of evidence.

I've spent years (since reading
overblown estimates of protests
at the Univ of Illinois in the late
60s when I was there) tracking crowd
estimates. The problem appears to be
the fact that most people are *never*
in really large crowds and thus any
crowd appears bigger than it is.

I want overhead shots of crowds.
Otherwise, you guess is just that --
a guess, and probably a poor one
at that.

@ greyhawk

"Burnt offerings: I linked a news report from what looked like a sympathetic source (the SFSU student paper, I believe) and it said 100."

yes, i read it. i'm not suggesting they weren't sympathetic: i'm more interested in finding out why a quote from a student paper is getting so much traction in this context. the fact that i don't own a helicopter to get overhead shots shouldn't disqualify me from talking about my experience of the event. if i hadn't been there, i would defer to the account you were linking. the only reason i comment is because i was there, and it was disappointingly small, just not as small has been reported.

and seriously, i'm troubled by the comments i'm getting in response. i think there has been a very successful effort to get us to identify more with the parties than with each other. i don't suggest any conspiracy, but it's nonetheless been very effective. the more we think like pundits, the less we seem to think like we the people.

That would be Glenn Reynolds you're responding to, not me. He's already gotten you to acknowledge the number was small, by the way, and that, not the actual number, is the point. Additional quibbling would hardly qualify as outreach or attempt to find common ground.

And I've already concurred with your party affiliation point. If I didn't make that clear before hopefully I have now.

glenn reynolds doesn't seem to allow comments. i'm sorry if i'm bothering you, i am trying to figure out whether or not there is a possibility of holding future events that would be less partisan. i am truly curious about the nature of these tea parties, if you just have them and then boom, the government capitulates. that's not how any activism i've ever participated in has ever worked. i'm not saying that to be discouraging, just honest.

i hope that clarifies. the comments i got in response here (not from you) lead me to believe that that's not likely. thank you for your time.

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November 26, 2010


America@war
[Greyhawk]
I think anyone who's ever pondered the "comment" option - once only available on blogs and bulletin boards, now ubiquitous on almost any web site - will appreciate this:
The so-called faculty of writing is not so much a faculty of writing as it is a faculty of thinking. When a man says, "I have an idea but I can't express it"; that man hasn't an idea but merely a vague feeling. If a man has a feeling of that kind, and will sit down for a half an hour and persistently try to put into writing what he feels, the probabilities are at least 90 percent that he will either be able to record it, or else realize that he has no idea at all. In either case, he will do himself a benefit.

That's wisdom from the past, captured for posterity at the US Naval Institute, shared via the web on the institute's 137th anniversary.

From their about page:

The Naval Institute shall remain

INDEPENDENT - A non-profit member association, with no government support, that does not lobby for special interests;

NON-PARTISAN - An independent, professional military association with a mission, goals and objectives that transcend political affiliations; and shall encourage

IDEAS - Through its respected journals Proceedings and Naval History, its conferences, its books and its online content, in support of those who serve.

"The Naval Institute has three core activities," among them, History and Preservation:

The Naval Institute also has recently introduced Americans at War, a living history of Americans at war in their own words and from their own experiences. These 90-second vignettes convey powerful stories of inspiration, pride, and patriotism.

Take a look at the collection, and you'll see it's not limited to accounts from those who served on ships at sea, members of the other branches are well-represented.

I'm fortunate to have met USNI's Mary Ripley, she's responsible for the institute's oral history program (and she's the daughter of the late John Ripley, whose story is told here). She also deserves much credit for their blog. ("We're not the Navy nor any government agency. Blog and comment freely.") We met at a milblog conference - Mary knew (and I would come to realize) that milbloggers are the 21st-century version of exactly what the US Naval Institute is all about. Once that light bulb came on in my head, I mentioned a vague idea for a project to her - milblogs as the 21st century oral history that they are.

"Put that in writing," she said (of course - see first paragraph above!) - and here's part of the result.

Shortly after the first tent was pitched by the American military in Iraq a wire was connected to a computer therein, and the internet was available to a generation of Americans at war - many of whom had grown up online. From that point on, at any given moment, somewhere in Iraq a Soldier, Sailor, Airman or Marine was at a keyboard sharing the events of his or her day with the folks back home. While most would simply fire off an email, others took advantage of the (then) relatively new online blogging platforms to post their thoughts and experiences for the entire world to see. The milblog was born - and from that moment to this stories detailing everything from the most mundane aspects of camp life to intense combat action (often described within hours of the event) have been available on the web...

And et cetera - but since you're reading this on a milblog, you probably knew that. And you know that milblogs aren't just blogs written by troops at war, that many friends, family members, and supporters likewise documented their story of America at war online in near-real time, as those stories developed.

The diversity in membership of that group is broad, the one thing we all have in common is the impulse to make sense of the seemingly senseless, and communicate the tale - for each of us that impulse was strong enough to overcome whatever barriers prevent the vast majority of people from doing the same. Everyone at some point has some vague idea they believe should be shared - we were the people who, from some combination of internal and external urging, found and spent those many half hours persistently trying to write it down.

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But where will all that be in another 137 years? Or five or ten, for that matter. That's something I've asked myself since at least 2004 - when I wrote this:

Closing Blogs is nothing new. So many site's owners just give up on their own. They come and go, you know, these MilBloggers do. Like any other sort of blogger. Many post in the lonely down hours far from home, spill their guts for the world, then abandon their spots when the tour of duty is up. They have lives again somewhere in the world, and no need to share the details. So it goes.

Many are truly gone - no site left at all. "The page cannot be found." Other blogs remain, like abandoned defensive positions in shifting desert sands.

Membership in the ghost battalion has grown in the years since, and an ever growing majority of those abandoned-but-still-standing sites are vanishing. Have you checked out Lt Smash's site lately? How about Sgt Hook's? If you're a long-time milblog reader you know the first widely-read milblog from Operation Iraq Freedom and the first widely-read milblog from Afghanistan are both gone from the web. If you're a relative newcomer to this world you may never even have heard of them - or the dozens upon dozens of others who carried forth the standard they set down.

If you have a vague notion that something should be done about that, (a notion I've heard expressed more than once...) then you and I and the good folks at the US Naval Institute are in agreement. Preserving the history documented by the milbloggers is just one of the goals of the milblog project, the once-vague idea that we're now making real.

And it's a big idea, if I say so myself - too big to explain in one simple blog post, so stand by for more. Likewise, it's too big a task to be accomplished by just one person. So if you're a milblogger (and exactly what is a milblogger? is a topic for much further discussion on its own) I'm asking for your help. All I'll really need is just a little bit (maybe just one or two of those half hours...) of your time, and your willingness to tell the tale.

We've already made history, it's time to save it.

(More to follow...)




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Tending Distant
Fires


Far from hearth and home, watching
Cold alone but not alone
On distant shore and only wanting
Safe return and little more

What tales we'll tell
When that time comes
When tales can be told

When things grim
Seem far away
When other fires go cold

Some distant sunset, vision fading
Memories remain
And tired eyes gaze 'pon folded flags
While distant drums beat their refrain

Saluting fallen friends whose names
And youth will never fade
Here's to those on other shores,
for them live well, the price is paid

- Greyhawk,
Baghdad,
December 2004