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April 9, 2009

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One step forward...

By Greyhawk

Well phooey:

ISLAMABAD: Pakistan rejected on Tuesday a US proposal for joint operations in the tribal areas against terrorism and militancy, as differences of opinion between the two countries over various aspects of the war on terror came out into the open for the first time.

Highly-informed sources said the move followed a collective decision reached between the government and security establishment to adopt a tough posture against a barrage of attacks and criticism emanating in recent weeks from Washington, directly targeting the Pakistan army and the ISI and creating doubts about their sincerity in the war on terror and the fight against Al Qaeda and Taliban.

Was it something the boss said? ("The era of the blank check is over," Mr. Obama told Congressional leaders at the White House...)

In a word, yes:

Mr Qureshi's message perhaps could not have been more unequivocal; he stated that cooperation could continue only if balance and respect were restored to the relationship.

'We can only work together if we respect each other and trust each other. There is no other way and nothing else will work,' he said rather bluntly.

Reacting to President Barack Obama's assertion that there would be 'no blank cheques for Pakistan", the foreign minister said: "We neither accept nor give one.'

Mr Qureshi also said that Pakistan's expectations from its friends were not just monetary. 'We have certain expectations from the Friends of Democratic Pakistan. Most importantly, these expectations are not cents and dollars; rather it is the political support that Pakistan expects from them.'

Pakistan also wants the U.S. to "shift the drone technology and authority to the Pakistan Army".

According to a source in the US delegation, the stance taken by the Pakistani side came as a rude shock to the Americans, who had so far been taking the civilian and military leadership for granted.

This sort of thing probably isn't helpful either.

Next step: explain to the Pakistani government that all the Obama admin "tough talk" about "blank checks" and "exit strategies" is really just a regurgitation of key Party talking points from 2006/2007 and intended solely for the placation of the rubes back in the States, and we're actually a reliable partner. (No, this will not make the papers.)

But if we have to yield on the drones for our part of the bargain we're screwed. They're central to our plan, which acknowledges Pakistan is more important than Afghanistan but is no place for soldiers:

Schieffer: Are you giving our commanders now in Afghanistan a green light to go after these people even if they're in what used to be safe havens in Pakistan?

President Obama: Well, I haven't changed my approach. If we have a high-value target within our sights, after consulting with Pakistan, we're going after them. But our main thrust has to be to help Pakistan defeat these extremists.

Now, one of the concerns that we've had building up over the last several years is a notion I think among the average Pakistani that this is somehow America's war and that they are not invested. And that attitude I think has led to a steady creep of extremism in Pakistan that is the greatest threat to the stability of the Pakistan government - and ultimately the greatest threat to the Pakistani people.

What we want do is say to the Pakistani people, you are our friends, you are our allies. We are going to give you the tools to defeat al Qaeda and to root out these safe havens. But we also expect some accountability. And we expect that you understand the severity and the nature of the threat.

In addition, what we want do is to help Pakistan grow its economy, to be able to provide basic services to its people, and that I think will help strengthen those efforts. If the Pakistan government doesn't have credibility, if they are weakened, then it's gonna be much more difficult for them to deal with the extremism within their borders.

Schieffer: But you're talking about going after them. Are you talking about with American boots on the ground -

President Obama: No.

Schieffer: - pursuing these people into these so-called safe havens?

President Obama: No. Our plan does not change the recognition of Pakistan as a sovereign government. We need to work with them and through them to deal with al Qaeda. But we have to hold them much more accountable.

The "recognize as sovereign government" can get a headline in the U.S. as a change from Bush policy, but it won't work over there where we always have done just that - so from the Pak POV you can file that under thanks for nothing, Mr President. (And oh by the way, give us control of the drones in our sovereign air space.) And while the "accountable" part may be yet another talking point intended to placate the rubes on the home front - it's also a very public accusation for a global audience that thus far they haven't been. Such a non-subtle bitch-slap can hardly be welcomed by Pakistan as positive encouragement from a helpful ally. It's undiplomatic at the least, and a ham-fisted monumental blunder whether a rookie mistake or not.

It's simply that the tactic of saying one thing to one group and the opposite to another might get you elected President of the United States (with the proper media coverage), but won't get you far in the cold cruel world out there.

Add to that the fact that the government of Pakistan understands its issues, challenges, threats and failures better than the Obama administration ever could, but will never be able to convince the Obama administration of that - and you're headed for disaster.

They will, however, do what they must to survive, and Obama is not the only thing standing between them and the pitchforks.

Done wrong, diplomacy can lose wars, too.



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If we have to yield on the drones for our part of the bargain we're screwed.

That was my thought exactly, when I heard about this the other day.

The really sad thing is, this is a direct result of Obama's duplicitousness and glibness as a politician. Way back when, he (based on his inherent anti-war and anti-military attitudes) was hard against the Iraq war. Trumpeted that fact in the early stage of the presidential race. Problem is, he then had to balance it. Only option was to go "hawkish" on Afghanistan and over-do his rhetoric in order to be able to say he wasn't soft on terrorism. That led to saber-rattling with Pakistan, etc.

Compound that with Feinstein's idiocy making it impossible for Pakistan to exercise plausible deniability regarding our launching of drones from within their country (whose government is riddled with anti-gov forces and hangs by a thread), and the new "grown ups" in Washington have made created this mess entirely on their own. Nice job, Mr. President.

I think this may possibly be the worst thing (intentional or unintentional) this administration has done so far. It makes my stomach hurt.

The funny thing is (and by funny, I mean not at all funny) that for years the Bush admin was excoriated for not pushing our allies hard enough (see Maliki, Nouri, for example) because he didn't condemn them publicly AND simultaneously hammered for being unconcerned about their position on issues and running roughshod through the world (aka "cowboy diplomacy").

Diplomacy is what you don't hear about - until years later, if ever*. That's not paranoia, that's just the way of the world. There's a reason for that, as we may soon learn the hard way.

*Spare me any expressions of outrage or calls for transparency - this is an administration that has "secret" meetings with bloggers and reporters to ensure they're all singing from the same hymnal on health care and bonus bucks to Party donors.

This is a real winner too -

March 29:

Schieffer: But you're talking about going after them. Are you talking about with American boots on the ground -

President Obama: No.

April 9:

Pakistan rejected on Tuesday a US proposal for joint operations in the tribal areas against terrorism and militancy.

I guess no one involved in the joint ops in tribal areas would be wearing boots (or touching ground)...

One of my favorite sayings... "Wars are won at the small unit level. They can be lost at *any* level, and most often are lost at the highest level.

And maybe I should have put the disclosure in the main post: yes, Pakistan has to yield too - that's diplomacy. With one half or the other of their population prepared to revolt against whatever option they chose they deserve the right to do so without an intense spotlight on them giving the world the impression that they are Barack Obama's puppet State.

But while they are a far from ideal partner, at this time they're the one that matters most. The core goal of the U.S. must be to disrupt, dismantle, and defeat al Qaeda and its safe havens in Pakistan. That's not my personal opinion - it's the top line goal of the AfPak plan.

A great point, John.

And yours too, FbL - I'd almost forgotten the Feinstein contribution. Hell of a way to demonstrate reliable partnership that was...

I suppose the government surviving that blow could be an indication they're a little more stable than they appear at first glance as far as population support goes - and that said population (no doubt with exceptions, but I mean a majority here) doesn't mind snuffing terrorists when it needs doing.

Thanks GH.

they deserve the right to do so without an intense spotlight on them giving the world the impression that they are Barack Obama's puppet State.

And that's the core of the problem--Obama recklessly used them as a campaign balancer, as if his "mere words" wouldn't have any real-world consequences.

I better stop now; I'm starting to want to say some very nasty and inappropriate things.

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November 26, 2010


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I think anyone who's ever pondered the "comment" option - once only available on blogs and bulletin boards, now ubiquitous on almost any web site - will appreciate this:
The so-called faculty of writing is not so much a faculty of writing as it is a faculty of thinking. When a man says, "I have an idea but I can't express it"; that man hasn't an idea but merely a vague feeling. If a man has a feeling of that kind, and will sit down for a half an hour and persistently try to put into writing what he feels, the probabilities are at least 90 percent that he will either be able to record it, or else realize that he has no idea at all. In either case, he will do himself a benefit.

That's wisdom from the past, captured for posterity at the US Naval Institute, shared via the web on the institute's 137th anniversary.

From their about page:

The Naval Institute shall remain

INDEPENDENT - A non-profit member association, with no government support, that does not lobby for special interests;

NON-PARTISAN - An independent, professional military association with a mission, goals and objectives that transcend political affiliations; and shall encourage

IDEAS - Through its respected journals Proceedings and Naval History, its conferences, its books and its online content, in support of those who serve.

"The Naval Institute has three core activities," among them, History and Preservation:

The Naval Institute also has recently introduced Americans at War, a living history of Americans at war in their own words and from their own experiences. These 90-second vignettes convey powerful stories of inspiration, pride, and patriotism.

Take a look at the collection, and you'll see it's not limited to accounts from those who served on ships at sea, members of the other branches are well-represented.

I'm fortunate to have met USNI's Mary Ripley, she's responsible for the institute's oral history program (and she's the daughter of the late John Ripley, whose story is told here). She also deserves much credit for their blog. ("We're not the Navy nor any government agency. Blog and comment freely.") We met at a milblog conference - Mary knew (and I would come to realize) that milbloggers are the 21st-century version of exactly what the US Naval Institute is all about. Once that light bulb came on in my head, I mentioned a vague idea for a project to her - milblogs as the 21st century oral history that they are.

"Put that in writing," she said (of course - see first paragraph above!) - and here's part of the result.

Shortly after the first tent was pitched by the American military in Iraq a wire was connected to a computer therein, and the internet was available to a generation of Americans at war - many of whom had grown up online. From that point on, at any given moment, somewhere in Iraq a Soldier, Sailor, Airman or Marine was at a keyboard sharing the events of his or her day with the folks back home. While most would simply fire off an email, others took advantage of the (then) relatively new online blogging platforms to post their thoughts and experiences for the entire world to see. The milblog was born - and from that moment to this stories detailing everything from the most mundane aspects of camp life to intense combat action (often described within hours of the event) have been available on the web...

And et cetera - but since you're reading this on a milblog, you probably knew that. And you know that milblogs aren't just blogs written by troops at war, that many friends, family members, and supporters likewise documented their story of America at war online in near-real time, as those stories developed.

The diversity in membership of that group is broad, the one thing we all have in common is the impulse to make sense of the seemingly senseless, and communicate the tale - for each of us that impulse was strong enough to overcome whatever barriers prevent the vast majority of people from doing the same. Everyone at some point has some vague idea they believe should be shared - we were the people who, from some combination of internal and external urging, found and spent those many half hours persistently trying to write it down.

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But where will all that be in another 137 years? Or five or ten, for that matter. That's something I've asked myself since at least 2004 - when I wrote this:

Closing Blogs is nothing new. So many site's owners just give up on their own. They come and go, you know, these MilBloggers do. Like any other sort of blogger. Many post in the lonely down hours far from home, spill their guts for the world, then abandon their spots when the tour of duty is up. They have lives again somewhere in the world, and no need to share the details. So it goes.

Many are truly gone - no site left at all. "The page cannot be found." Other blogs remain, like abandoned defensive positions in shifting desert sands.

Membership in the ghost battalion has grown in the years since, and an ever growing majority of those abandoned-but-still-standing sites are vanishing. Have you checked out Lt Smash's site lately? How about Sgt Hook's? If you're a long-time milblog reader you know the first widely-read milblog from Operation Iraq Freedom and the first widely-read milblog from Afghanistan are both gone from the web. If you're a relative newcomer to this world you may never even have heard of them - or the dozens upon dozens of others who carried forth the standard they set down.

If you have a vague notion that something should be done about that, (a notion I've heard expressed more than once...) then you and I and the good folks at the US Naval Institute are in agreement. Preserving the history documented by the milbloggers is just one of the goals of the milblog project, the once-vague idea that we're now making real.

And it's a big idea, if I say so myself - too big to explain in one simple blog post, so stand by for more. Likewise, it's too big a task to be accomplished by just one person. So if you're a milblogger (and exactly what is a milblogger? is a topic for much further discussion on its own) I'm asking for your help. All I'll really need is just a little bit (maybe just one or two of those half hours...) of your time, and your willingness to tell the tale.

We've already made history, it's time to save it.

(More to follow...)




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Far from hearth and home, watching
Cold alone but not alone
On distant shore and only wanting
Safe return and little more

What tales we'll tell
When that time comes
When tales can be told

When things grim
Seem far away
When other fires go cold

Some distant sunset, vision fading
Memories remain
And tired eyes gaze 'pon folded flags
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Saluting fallen friends whose names
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