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March 28, 2009

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The Plan Unveiled (III)

By Greyhawk

"The President's plan" for Pakistan and Afghanistan (I think it's important that its established order of priority is maintained - and not only because I concur with it) will be tough to implement without the support of all involved - that's obvious. Loyal, thoughtful, and constructive opposition is expected, but certainly not from some quarters where it's already beginning to appear.

From the plan:

The United States must overcome the 'trust deficit' it faces in Afghanistan and Pakistan, where many believe that we are not a reliable long-term partner. We must engage the Afghan people in ways that demonstrate our commitment to promoting a legitimate and capable Afghan government with economic progress. We must engage the Pakistani people based on our long-term commitment to helping them build a stable economy, a stronger democracy, and a vibrant civil society.
Which makes you wonder if this guy read it:

WASHINGTON -- The United States must look for a way out of the war in Afghanistan, President Obama said, in a signal that the military build-up in Afghanistan will not be open-ended and will lead to the eventual withdrawal of American and NATO troops from the country.

"There's got to be an exit strategy," Mr. Obama said in a wide-ranging interview shown Sunday on "60 Minutes" on CBS.

That second story is from earlier this week. Why must Americans be forced to choose sides, as those who've decided to support President Obama will soon be forced to confront those who are equally determined to support President Obama instead? Is there no middle ground? Can't we all just get along?

And best of luck to the guys in 4-82. You'll need it.



Posted by Greyhawk / March 28, 2009 8:49 AM | Permalink

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And best of luck to the guys in 4-82. You'll need it.

And the 33rd BCT (ILARNG) who are months into the fight right now.

True that (and congratulations again, LTC).

I'm looking forward to putting together a roundup of Afghan-experienced milbloggers' responses to the plan. Checked some this morning (incl you), initial responses are positive but few are claiming any deep review yet. (And most responses so far are to media coverage vice the White Paper.)

My best to all our troops in Afghanistan, Iraq and elsewhere, as this is the war with no front.

I have major reservations with the Administration's plan, but a plan is better than no plan. Unfortunately it does not address the ISI or other non-Talibe but radicalist backing groups that extend beyond Pakistan and Afghanistan... that is not good for al Qaeda and the Talibe have more than one supply route at this point. Nor does it address that the enemy gets a say in things, and there are three places I can think of that al Qaeda and Talibe can stop all of this without a single assassination, but just keeping up ops as at their current tempo which is beyond the ability of Pakistan to cope with. And there is no second supply route... to get that would require all of Clinton's quite nasty side of the rolodex and willing to work hard with three Nations and one major non-state player in the region.

And I have problems on the tactical side, as well, but will leave that up to the experts in the armed forces. We can mitigate each of the problem areas on the strategic side with a much better force mix and shift in ROE, but it is mitigation, not outright negation.

Hopefully we can out-adapt the enemy yet again. Folks are always surprised we can do that.

What happened to the campaign plan (referenced only)to capture Osama Bin Laden. It's easy when you don't have to do it.

May I just remind you of the record of major powers agains the Afghans in previous wars?

British Empire 0 Afghan ragheads 3
Soviet Union/ Russia 0 Afghan ragheads 2
India 0 Afghan ragheads 1
Pakistan 0 Afghan rageads 1

You have to go back to Genghis Khan to find out when they last lost a war on their own ground.

Obama's plan is doomed.

India 0 Afghan ragheads 1.

Ian Thorpe,
I am not sure which "war" you are talking about between India and Afghan "ragheads" - we did support the Northern Alliance of Ahmed Shah Masood against the Taliban pre 9/11, but even this was nothing more than to counter pakistan using them for "strategic depth" vis-a-vis Kashmir.

I wonder if you are talking about Mohammed of Ghori who was of Afghan origin who played a major role in the Islamic invasion of India. But we would'nt call him a "rag head". He would be one of what Will Durant called the islamic invaders of India - barbarians.

Here's wishing Good Luck to the US troops and its allies.

The key to Afghanistan is opium.

Any one here think that we are winning the drug war? Any one think we can win the drug war?

Any one think that there is a military solution to a medical problem?

We have been at this opiate prohibition thing for 94 years. Any one think year 95 is going to be any better?

There is only a dissonance between the plan and the CinC's statements if one assumes that being a "reliable long-term partner" actually entails doing anything. I hope I'm wrong, but all indications I've seen are that Pres. Obama and his gang's plan is to basically throw enough money over the fence to say we're doing something and then leave. If they can't control it with us as a "long-term (financial) partner" then it's their fault.

We must engage the Afghan people....We must engage the Pakistani people...

Newsflash, PrezBo: First you're going to have to engage the Taliban, (what's left of)the al Qaeda,the terrorist moles in Pakistan's intelligence service, and the Taliban in their government. That means forceful engagement, not "negotiation without preconditions".

This moron was given a winning hand in Iraq and Afghanistan. Watch him blow it.

I find it really interesting that most of the problems around the world with security and terrorism are former colonies of the British Empire: Afghanistan, Pakistan, Mesopotamia (Iraq), the Levant (Middle East), etc.

As for the plan, in my opinion, it is way too incomplete and lacks comprehensiveness. As it was stated in the white paper and from the President (considerable differences by the way), it falls short of tackling the actual problems. It will neither defeat al Qaeda, or cut off the life cord between the local and global jihadists, the Pakistani security services ISI, and the Taliban.

Lubo
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November 26, 2010


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I think anyone who's ever pondered the "comment" option - once only available on blogs and bulletin boards, now ubiquitous on almost any web site - will appreciate this:
The so-called faculty of writing is not so much a faculty of writing as it is a faculty of thinking. When a man says, "I have an idea but I can't express it"; that man hasn't an idea but merely a vague feeling. If a man has a feeling of that kind, and will sit down for a half an hour and persistently try to put into writing what he feels, the probabilities are at least 90 percent that he will either be able to record it, or else realize that he has no idea at all. In either case, he will do himself a benefit.

That's wisdom from the past, captured for posterity at the US Naval Institute, shared via the web on the institute's 137th anniversary.

From their about page:

The Naval Institute shall remain

INDEPENDENT - A non-profit member association, with no government support, that does not lobby for special interests;

NON-PARTISAN - An independent, professional military association with a mission, goals and objectives that transcend political affiliations; and shall encourage

IDEAS - Through its respected journals Proceedings and Naval History, its conferences, its books and its online content, in support of those who serve.

"The Naval Institute has three core activities," among them, History and Preservation:

The Naval Institute also has recently introduced Americans at War, a living history of Americans at war in their own words and from their own experiences. These 90-second vignettes convey powerful stories of inspiration, pride, and patriotism.

Take a look at the collection, and you'll see it's not limited to accounts from those who served on ships at sea, members of the other branches are well-represented.

I'm fortunate to have met USNI's Mary Ripley, she's responsible for the institute's oral history program (and she's the daughter of the late John Ripley, whose story is told here). She also deserves much credit for their blog. ("We're not the Navy nor any government agency. Blog and comment freely.") We met at a milblog conference - Mary knew (and I would come to realize) that milbloggers are the 21st-century version of exactly what the US Naval Institute is all about. Once that light bulb came on in my head, I mentioned a vague idea for a project to her - milblogs as the 21st century oral history that they are.

"Put that in writing," she said (of course - see first paragraph above!) - and here's part of the result.

Shortly after the first tent was pitched by the American military in Iraq a wire was connected to a computer therein, and the internet was available to a generation of Americans at war - many of whom had grown up online. From that point on, at any given moment, somewhere in Iraq a Soldier, Sailor, Airman or Marine was at a keyboard sharing the events of his or her day with the folks back home. While most would simply fire off an email, others took advantage of the (then) relatively new online blogging platforms to post their thoughts and experiences for the entire world to see. The milblog was born - and from that moment to this stories detailing everything from the most mundane aspects of camp life to intense combat action (often described within hours of the event) have been available on the web...

And et cetera - but since you're reading this on a milblog, you probably knew that. And you know that milblogs aren't just blogs written by troops at war, that many friends, family members, and supporters likewise documented their story of America at war online in near-real time, as those stories developed.

The diversity in membership of that group is broad, the one thing we all have in common is the impulse to make sense of the seemingly senseless, and communicate the tale - for each of us that impulse was strong enough to overcome whatever barriers prevent the vast majority of people from doing the same. Everyone at some point has some vague idea they believe should be shared - we were the people who, from some combination of internal and external urging, found and spent those many half hours persistently trying to write it down.

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But where will all that be in another 137 years? Or five or ten, for that matter. That's something I've asked myself since at least 2004 - when I wrote this:

Closing Blogs is nothing new. So many site's owners just give up on their own. They come and go, you know, these MilBloggers do. Like any other sort of blogger. Many post in the lonely down hours far from home, spill their guts for the world, then abandon their spots when the tour of duty is up. They have lives again somewhere in the world, and no need to share the details. So it goes.

Many are truly gone - no site left at all. "The page cannot be found." Other blogs remain, like abandoned defensive positions in shifting desert sands.

Membership in the ghost battalion has grown in the years since, and an ever growing majority of those abandoned-but-still-standing sites are vanishing. Have you checked out Lt Smash's site lately? How about Sgt Hook's? If you're a long-time milblog reader you know the first widely-read milblog from Operation Iraq Freedom and the first widely-read milblog from Afghanistan are both gone from the web. If you're a relative newcomer to this world you may never even have heard of them - or the dozens upon dozens of others who carried forth the standard they set down.

If you have a vague notion that something should be done about that, (a notion I've heard expressed more than once...) then you and I and the good folks at the US Naval Institute are in agreement. Preserving the history documented by the milbloggers is just one of the goals of the milblog project, the once-vague idea that we're now making real.

And it's a big idea, if I say so myself - too big to explain in one simple blog post, so stand by for more. Likewise, it's too big a task to be accomplished by just one person. So if you're a milblogger (and exactly what is a milblogger? is a topic for much further discussion on its own) I'm asking for your help. All I'll really need is just a little bit (maybe just one or two of those half hours...) of your time, and your willingness to tell the tale.

We've already made history, it's time to save it.

(More to follow...)




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Tending Distant
Fires


Far from hearth and home, watching
Cold alone but not alone
On distant shore and only wanting
Safe return and little more

What tales we'll tell
When that time comes
When tales can be told

When things grim
Seem far away
When other fires go cold

Some distant sunset, vision fading
Memories remain
And tired eyes gaze 'pon folded flags
While distant drums beat their refrain

Saluting fallen friends whose names
And youth will never fade
Here's to those on other shores,
for them live well, the price is paid

- Greyhawk,
Baghdad,
December 2004