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February 26, 2009

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Choice

By Greyhawk

Bloomberg gets the headline right: Gates Says Families Can Decide on Photos at Return of War Dead:

Defense Secretary Robert Gates said he will allow photographs of fallen American troops returning to the U.S. if their families agree.
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Whether the media should be allowed to attend this event and photograph the returning caskets is a decision that “should be made by those most directly affected on an individual basis, by the families of the fallen,” Gates said.
It remains to be seen whether this will result in badgering of those families by the press.

CNN puts a different spin on the story:

Official: Pentagon allows coverage of war coffins

The Pentagon will lift its ban on media coverage of the flag-draped coffins of war victims arriving at Dover Air Force Base in Delaware, Defense Secretary Robert Gates said Thursday.

So does the AP:
Pentagon Lifts Media Ban on Photos of War Dead

News organizations will be allowed to photograph the homecomings of America's war dead under a new Pentagon policy, defense and congressional officials said Thursday.

...and the New York Times (Pentagon to Allow Photos of Soldiers’ Coffins), and the Washington Post (U.S. to End Ban on Media Coverage of Returning Military Coffins)...

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I've acknowledged previously that the argument "leaves President Obama in an awkward position - supporting those who defend the nation or giving in to those whose ongoing messianic worship could be critical to his administration's goals". While some might argue that passing the option to families is a way of avoiding that decision there's really no argument against Secretary Gates' point: "I think that foremost in our thinking about issues like this should be the families and giving them choices.”

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For instance, if a reporter asked me for photographs of a family member's coffin for the front page of tomorrow's paper, I might choose to feed them their teeth. Others may respond more or less graciously - this is America. (And since CNN, the New York Times, et al have declared victory, apparently no damage has been done there.)

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Conveniently overlooked in the manufactured uproar over this issue has been the fact that the media have always been able to attend the various memorial services for fallen troops. (Hey, if Fred Phelps and his offspring could do it, they could too - though ironically, unless Klan Phelps did show up the coverage was rare.) If it's true - as proponents of a total lifting of the ban maintained - that Americans are actually ignorant of the fact that their countrymen are dying in the nation's wars, the blame never fell on the Pentagon, the Administration, or the families of the fallen.

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Elsewhere: Tom Ricks and I are on the same wavelength here.

...nowhere on Earth are there people more insensitive than a TV crew trying to get a good shot. I speak as someone who has been stepped on, elbowed, and camera-clobbered by those guys.
(He is more gracious than I. At least a bit.)

Recent/related:

The Right to Rest in Peace

Dover (by Gold Star dad Robert Stokely)

Bring us your dead!

The Return

OBAMA Speech Addressing Nation on Monday 2/9/09 - Did I hear the question I thought I heard Ed Henry CNN ask? (Robert Stokely)



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But what happens when more than one soldier is coming back through Dover, and not all of the families want the media there? Whose wishes are the ones that get honored? Once a soldier passes through Dover, families can do whatever they want, individually. Dover isn't so easy that way.

As the policy states, the Flag Draped Casket can only be imaged if the family gives permission. Honestly, I think we dodged one here - the political climate and momentum was headed to a total opening for imaging. I would have preferred a total ban on imaging, but then again, another family may have wanted it. In teh end, is it fair for them to decide for the Stokely family any more than the Stokely family deciding for them? The new policy may have been the safest course for all the Fallen and their families, rather than have it a vote among those in power, which would have led to the media having complete access.

proud dad SGT Mike Stokely
KIA 16 AUG 05 near Yusufiyah Iraq
USA E 108 CAV 48th BCT GAARNG

I agree with you, Robert. Given the pressure on this issue from the media the Pentagon made the only viable choice.

That pressure - coming from folks whose motives are extremely suspect and who've never been banned from humanizing the cost of war (but who also refused to publish your writing on the topic back when Cindy Sheehan dominated the front pages) - should never have been there in the first place.

I foresee parents and young spouses now being hounded to sign press releases.

I am at peace with this decision, knowing the press, if they want to find a way to exploit our war Heroes they will find a way....

I for one am glad it was banned when my son came thru Dover. I feel for the families of active military getting ready to deploy or ones that are deployed, because now they have to talk with the kids, husbands, and wives about adding to their wills. It is hard enough for all of us to worries every minute of everyday now this has to be added to that worry. God Help this gov.t for stepping in on something so private.

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November 26, 2010


America@war
[Greyhawk]
I think anyone who's ever pondered the "comment" option - once only available on blogs and bulletin boards, now ubiquitous on almost any web site - will appreciate this:
The so-called faculty of writing is not so much a faculty of writing as it is a faculty of thinking. When a man says, "I have an idea but I can't express it"; that man hasn't an idea but merely a vague feeling. If a man has a feeling of that kind, and will sit down for a half an hour and persistently try to put into writing what he feels, the probabilities are at least 90 percent that he will either be able to record it, or else realize that he has no idea at all. In either case, he will do himself a benefit.

That's wisdom from the past, captured for posterity at the US Naval Institute, shared via the web on the institute's 137th anniversary.

From their about page:

The Naval Institute shall remain

INDEPENDENT - A non-profit member association, with no government support, that does not lobby for special interests;

NON-PARTISAN - An independent, professional military association with a mission, goals and objectives that transcend political affiliations; and shall encourage

IDEAS - Through its respected journals Proceedings and Naval History, its conferences, its books and its online content, in support of those who serve.

"The Naval Institute has three core activities," among them, History and Preservation:

The Naval Institute also has recently introduced Americans at War, a living history of Americans at war in their own words and from their own experiences. These 90-second vignettes convey powerful stories of inspiration, pride, and patriotism.

Take a look at the collection, and you'll see it's not limited to accounts from those who served on ships at sea, members of the other branches are well-represented.

I'm fortunate to have met USNI's Mary Ripley, she's responsible for the institute's oral history program (and she's the daughter of the late John Ripley, whose story is told here). She also deserves much credit for their blog. ("We're not the Navy nor any government agency. Blog and comment freely.") We met at a milblog conference - Mary knew (and I would come to realize) that milbloggers are the 21st-century version of exactly what the US Naval Institute is all about. Once that light bulb came on in my head, I mentioned a vague idea for a project to her - milblogs as the 21st century oral history that they are.

"Put that in writing," she said (of course - see first paragraph above!) - and here's part of the result.

Shortly after the first tent was pitched by the American military in Iraq a wire was connected to a computer therein, and the internet was available to a generation of Americans at war - many of whom had grown up online. From that point on, at any given moment, somewhere in Iraq a Soldier, Sailor, Airman or Marine was at a keyboard sharing the events of his or her day with the folks back home. While most would simply fire off an email, others took advantage of the (then) relatively new online blogging platforms to post their thoughts and experiences for the entire world to see. The milblog was born - and from that moment to this stories detailing everything from the most mundane aspects of camp life to intense combat action (often described within hours of the event) have been available on the web...

And et cetera - but since you're reading this on a milblog, you probably knew that. And you know that milblogs aren't just blogs written by troops at war, that many friends, family members, and supporters likewise documented their story of America at war online in near-real time, as those stories developed.

The diversity in membership of that group is broad, the one thing we all have in common is the impulse to make sense of the seemingly senseless, and communicate the tale - for each of us that impulse was strong enough to overcome whatever barriers prevent the vast majority of people from doing the same. Everyone at some point has some vague idea they believe should be shared - we were the people who, from some combination of internal and external urging, found and spent those many half hours persistently trying to write it down.

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But where will all that be in another 137 years? Or five or ten, for that matter. That's something I've asked myself since at least 2004 - when I wrote this:

Closing Blogs is nothing new. So many site's owners just give up on their own. They come and go, you know, these MilBloggers do. Like any other sort of blogger. Many post in the lonely down hours far from home, spill their guts for the world, then abandon their spots when the tour of duty is up. They have lives again somewhere in the world, and no need to share the details. So it goes.

Many are truly gone - no site left at all. "The page cannot be found." Other blogs remain, like abandoned defensive positions in shifting desert sands.

Membership in the ghost battalion has grown in the years since, and an ever growing majority of those abandoned-but-still-standing sites are vanishing. Have you checked out Lt Smash's site lately? How about Sgt Hook's? If you're a long-time milblog reader you know the first widely-read milblog from Operation Iraq Freedom and the first widely-read milblog from Afghanistan are both gone from the web. If you're a relative newcomer to this world you may never even have heard of them - or the dozens upon dozens of others who carried forth the standard they set down.

If you have a vague notion that something should be done about that, (a notion I've heard expressed more than once...) then you and I and the good folks at the US Naval Institute are in agreement. Preserving the history documented by the milbloggers is just one of the goals of the milblog project, the once-vague idea that we're now making real.

And it's a big idea, if I say so myself - too big to explain in one simple blog post, so stand by for more. Likewise, it's too big a task to be accomplished by just one person. So if you're a milblogger (and exactly what is a milblogger? is a topic for much further discussion on its own) I'm asking for your help. All I'll really need is just a little bit (maybe just one or two of those half hours...) of your time, and your willingness to tell the tale.

We've already made history, it's time to save it.

(More to follow...)




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Tending Distant
Fires


Far from hearth and home, watching
Cold alone but not alone
On distant shore and only wanting
Safe return and little more

What tales we'll tell
When that time comes
When tales can be told

When things grim
Seem far away
When other fires go cold

Some distant sunset, vision fading
Memories remain
And tired eyes gaze 'pon folded flags
While distant drums beat their refrain

Saluting fallen friends whose names
And youth will never fade
Here's to those on other shores,
for them live well, the price is paid

- Greyhawk,
Baghdad,
December 2004