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Greetings! You are reading an article from The Mudville Gazette. To reach the front page, with all the latest news and views, click the logo above or "main" below. Thanks for stopping by! November 26, 2008 SOFA Text?By GreyhawkActually, McClatchy calls it an "unofficial translation from the Arabic". There are some bits that are more interesting than others ("Iraqi airspace control and monitoring will be transferred to the Iraqi authorities immediately as this agreement becomes valid") but two points that have gotten the most discussion (and generated the most speculation) among those not involved in the negotiations are troop withdrawal and legal jurisdiction for U.S. troops and civilians. More on that jurisdiction later. From a quick glance: troops off duty and (not or) off post will be subject to Iraqi legal jurisdiction - but troops are never both. As for the withdrawal part, here's Article 24:
One might wonder why this "All U.S. combat forces are to withdraw from Iraqi cities, villages, and towns not later than the date that Iraqi forces assume complete responsibility of security in any Iraqi province." Is immediately followed by this: "The withdrawal of U.S. forces from the above-mentioned places is on a date no later than the 30 June 2009." If the second phrase is taken at face value, the first is practically moot. We'll see soon enough, I'm sure. What's certain is that President Obama's "16 months" must begin no later than a year from next September. In the meantime, let's look at Article 27:
Which (among other things) basically means that if the Iraqis ask and we agree, we can leave troops in (or move troops into) Iraq for purposes of training Iraqi forces, fighting terrorism and outlaw groups, or for (internal or external) threat deterrence - to include threats to political stability, Iraq's democratic federal constitutional system, elected establishment, etc. etc. Assuming that McClatchy has provided an accurate translation (and honestly, the last paragraph quoted above makes no sense to me whatsoever) of the final version of the SOFA, and that it is approved by Iraq's parliament (perhaps today), then McClatchy's own analysis of the agreement is flawed: President-elect Barack Obama's campaign plan to leave a residual force of some 30,000 American troops in Iraq would be impossible under the pact. But kudos to them for acknowledging that often-"overlooked" minor detail of his plan. And speaking of overlooked, don't overlook this: "The United States admits to the sovereign right of the Iraqi government to demand the departure of the U.S. forces from Iraq at anytime. The Iraqi government admits to the sovereign right of the United States to withdraw U.S. forces from Iraq at anytime." Any questions? Posted by Greyhawk / November 26, 2008 7:00 AM | Permalink 1 TrackBackIf you want the REAL lowdown on what is happening with the SOFA, go to The Mudville Gazette where Greyhawk has taken a close look at not only what it means, but very possibly what it doesn’t mean. Great Job Greyhawk! ... Read More 8 Comments |
November 26, 2010America@war [Greyhawk]
I think anyone who's ever pondered the "comment" option - once only available on blogs and bulletin boards, now ubiquitous on almost any web site - will appreciate this:
The so-called faculty of writing is not so much a faculty of writing as it is a faculty of thinking. When a man says, "I have an idea but I can't express it"; that man hasn't an idea but merely a vague feeling. If a man has a feeling of that kind, and will sit down for a half an hour and persistently try to put into writing what he feels, the probabilities are at least 90 percent that he will either be able to record it, or else realize that he has no idea at all. In either case, he will do himself a benefit. That's wisdom from the past, captured for posterity at the US Naval Institute, shared via the web on the institute's 137th anniversary. From their about page:
"The Naval Institute has three core activities," among them, History and Preservation: The Naval Institute also has recently introduced Americans at War, a living history of Americans at war in their own words and from their own experiences. These 90-second vignettes convey powerful stories of inspiration, pride, and patriotism. Take a look at the collection, and you'll see it's not limited to accounts from those who served on ships at sea, members of the other branches are well-represented. I'm fortunate to have met USNI's Mary Ripley, she's responsible for the institute's oral history program (and she's the daughter of the late John Ripley, whose story is told here). She also deserves much credit for their blog. ("We're not the Navy nor any government agency. Blog and comment freely.") We met at a milblog conference - Mary knew (and I would come to realize) that milbloggers are the 21st-century version of exactly what the US Naval Institute is all about. Once that light bulb came on in my head, I mentioned a vague idea for a project to her - milblogs as the 21st century oral history that they are. "Put that in writing," she said (of course - see first paragraph above!) - and here's part of the result. Shortly after the first tent was pitched by the American military in Iraq a wire was connected to a computer therein, and the internet was available to a generation of Americans at war - many of whom had grown up online. From that point on, at any given moment, somewhere in Iraq a Soldier, Sailor, Airman or Marine was at a keyboard sharing the events of his or her day with the folks back home. While most would simply fire off an email, others took advantage of the (then) relatively new online blogging platforms to post their thoughts and experiences for the entire world to see. The milblog was born - and from that moment to this stories detailing everything from the most mundane aspects of camp life to intense combat action (often described within hours of the event) have been available on the web... And et cetera - but since you're reading this on a milblog, you probably knew that. And you know that milblogs aren't just blogs written by troops at war, that many friends, family members, and supporters likewise documented their story of America at war online in near-real time, as those stories developed. The diversity in membership of that group is broad, the one thing we all have in common is the impulse to make sense of the seemingly senseless, and communicate the tale - for each of us that impulse was strong enough to overcome whatever barriers prevent the vast majority of people from doing the same. Everyone at some point has some vague idea they believe should be shared - we were the people who, from some combination of internal and external urging, found and spent those many half hours persistently trying to write it down. But where will all that be in another 137 years? Or five or ten, for that matter. That's something I've asked myself since at least 2004 - when I wrote this:
Membership in the ghost battalion has grown in the years since, and an ever growing majority of those abandoned-but-still-standing sites are vanishing. Have you checked out Lt Smash's site lately? How about Sgt Hook's? If you're a long-time milblog reader you know the first widely-read milblog from Operation Iraq Freedom and the first widely-read milblog from Afghanistan are both gone from the web. If you're a relative newcomer to this world you may never even have heard of them - or the dozens upon dozens of others who carried forth the standard they set down. If you have a vague notion that something should be done about that, (a notion I've heard expressed more than once...) then you and I and the good folks at the US Naval Institute are in agreement. Preserving the history documented by the milbloggers is just one of the goals of the milblog project, the once-vague idea that we're now making real. And it's a big idea, if I say so myself - too big to explain in one simple blog post, so stand by for more. Likewise, it's too big a task to be accomplished by just one person. So if you're a milblogger (and exactly what is a milblogger? is a topic for much further discussion on its own) I'm asking for your help. All I'll really need is just a little bit (maybe just one or two of those half hours...) of your time, and your willingness to tell the tale. We've already made history, it's time to save it. (More to follow...) Posted 4:02 PM | Permalink |
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That's the ones behaving themselves, that is. As the place becomes more and more peaceful, there will be more and more troops skylarking out in town to find alcohol and women. And that will mean trouble. The Iraqis justifiably want to have anyone misbehaving under those conditions to be subject to their jurisdiction.
Well everything as always depends upon the 'conditions' at the time, but is this not precisely the type of agreement that we all really wanted from day 1 ? Two sovereign Nations deciding upon the legal conditions for interaction? And an agreement negotiated from a position of increasing stability in Iraq ?
The US does not really need and should not really want a large permanent base for troops in Iraq. That would lead to the same or greater problems as the bases in Saudi Arabia caused. A small base in Kurdistan might be useful if it could be arranged without a lot of bother. But it's hardly critical. If Iraq progresses as we all hope then the bases there will be increasingly redundant, and if it blows up now, I really think that there is nothing much we could do to prevent it anyway. The choices now are largely going to be made by Iraqis. Which again is precisely what we really wanted in the first place. What everyone now hopes is that they are 'good' choices.
What's not to like here, apart from a few quibbles here and there ?
Doug,
Funny, I just made a comment to this very point on the Gates post. Yup, we've pretty much set the trajectory as best we can; little left now but to point, or perhaps nudge (gently, gently.)
"As the place becomes more and more peaceful, there will be more and more troops skylarking out in town to find alcohol..."
...which will be something of a fruitless search in a predominately-Muslim country. 8)
"If the [June 2009] phrase is taken at face value, [December 2011] is practically moot."
Well, what it means is that in June 2009, American forces will withdraw to bases in relatively-remote locations rather than being deployed right in the middle of town. And at the end of 2011, they stay in-country at the sufferance of the Iraqi government, and it's officially stated that they're present at that government's behest (rather than being an occupying army.) Also, off-base operations will happen when the Iraqi government asks, rather than when the American commanders feel it's needed. Basically, in 2011 Iraq will get the same status as any other overseas-deployment location.
duduck
I think you're right, but suppose one or two provinces aren't ready by June? I hope that's not the case', but I see where some interpretive kabuki could ensue...
Addendum to SOF agreement.
Iraq the model has details. I provide a link.
Many muslim countries have alcohol. For example, Azerbaijan is very proud of its wine industry. In particular, Iraqis are long known to enjoy beer, wine and spirits of all kinds.
Where there is alcohol and where there are women, men will seek them out at great risk. As Iraq gets more and more peaceful, that level of risk becomes more and more acceptable to many men.
I've done a couple of stories here over the past year about liquor stores re-opening in Baghdad. It's one of those "signs of progress"...