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Greetings! You are reading an article from The Mudville Gazette. To reach the front page, with all the latest news and views, click the logo above or "main" below. Thanks for stopping by! November 13, 2008 Best Modern Warrior Movie?By GreyhawkBumped back to top... I've always been disappointed in lists of "best war movies". The folks who chose them generally seem inclined to select the most "anti"-war movies as the "best". But then again, "pro-war" is a poor description for any realistic depiction of war. Then, in comments here, Val Prieto hit upon exactly the right term for what I believe is frequently (not always) meant by "anti-war" in the context of film: anti-victory. That said, I also realized what I like about a war movie - and it's not about whether it's "pro" or "anti" anything - it's about whether it captures the warrior ethos - and I believe several recent films have managed to do that. I present an off the top of my head list below for your consideration. If I missed any contenders, please let me know in comments. (My vague definition of "recent" is the past 10-15 years or so.) Posted by Greyhawk / November 13, 2008 8:07 PM | Permalink 9 Comments |
November 26, 2010America@war [Greyhawk]
I think anyone who's ever pondered the "comment" option - once only available on blogs and bulletin boards, now ubiquitous on almost any web site - will appreciate this:
The so-called faculty of writing is not so much a faculty of writing as it is a faculty of thinking. When a man says, "I have an idea but I can't express it"; that man hasn't an idea but merely a vague feeling. If a man has a feeling of that kind, and will sit down for a half an hour and persistently try to put into writing what he feels, the probabilities are at least 90 percent that he will either be able to record it, or else realize that he has no idea at all. In either case, he will do himself a benefit. That's wisdom from the past, captured for posterity at the US Naval Institute, shared via the web on the institute's 137th anniversary. From their about page:
"The Naval Institute has three core activities," among them, History and Preservation: The Naval Institute also has recently introduced Americans at War, a living history of Americans at war in their own words and from their own experiences. These 90-second vignettes convey powerful stories of inspiration, pride, and patriotism. Take a look at the collection, and you'll see it's not limited to accounts from those who served on ships at sea, members of the other branches are well-represented. I'm fortunate to have met USNI's Mary Ripley, she's responsible for the institute's oral history program (and she's the daughter of the late John Ripley, whose story is told here). She also deserves much credit for their blog. ("We're not the Navy nor any government agency. Blog and comment freely.") We met at a milblog conference - Mary knew (and I would come to realize) that milbloggers are the 21st-century version of exactly what the US Naval Institute is all about. Once that light bulb came on in my head, I mentioned a vague idea for a project to her - milblogs as the 21st century oral history that they are. "Put that in writing," she said (of course - see first paragraph above!) - and here's part of the result. Shortly after the first tent was pitched by the American military in Iraq a wire was connected to a computer therein, and the internet was available to a generation of Americans at war - many of whom had grown up online. From that point on, at any given moment, somewhere in Iraq a Soldier, Sailor, Airman or Marine was at a keyboard sharing the events of his or her day with the folks back home. While most would simply fire off an email, others took advantage of the (then) relatively new online blogging platforms to post their thoughts and experiences for the entire world to see. The milblog was born - and from that moment to this stories detailing everything from the most mundane aspects of camp life to intense combat action (often described within hours of the event) have been available on the web... And et cetera - but since you're reading this on a milblog, you probably knew that. And you know that milblogs aren't just blogs written by troops at war, that many friends, family members, and supporters likewise documented their story of America at war online in near-real time, as those stories developed. The diversity in membership of that group is broad, the one thing we all have in common is the impulse to make sense of the seemingly senseless, and communicate the tale - for each of us that impulse was strong enough to overcome whatever barriers prevent the vast majority of people from doing the same. Everyone at some point has some vague idea they believe should be shared - we were the people who, from some combination of internal and external urging, found and spent those many half hours persistently trying to write it down. But where will all that be in another 137 years? Or five or ten, for that matter. That's something I've asked myself since at least 2004 - when I wrote this:
Membership in the ghost battalion has grown in the years since, and an ever growing majority of those abandoned-but-still-standing sites are vanishing. Have you checked out Lt Smash's site lately? How about Sgt Hook's? If you're a long-time milblog reader you know the first widely-read milblog from Operation Iraq Freedom and the first widely-read milblog from Afghanistan are both gone from the web. If you're a relative newcomer to this world you may never even have heard of them - or the dozens upon dozens of others who carried forth the standard they set down. If you have a vague notion that something should be done about that, (a notion I've heard expressed more than once...) then you and I and the good folks at the US Naval Institute are in agreement. Preserving the history documented by the milbloggers is just one of the goals of the milblog project, the once-vague idea that we're now making real. And it's a big idea, if I say so myself - too big to explain in one simple blog post, so stand by for more. Likewise, it's too big a task to be accomplished by just one person. So if you're a milblogger (and exactly what is a milblogger? is a topic for much further discussion on its own) I'm asking for your help. All I'll really need is just a little bit (maybe just one or two of those half hours...) of your time, and your willingness to tell the tale. We've already made history, it's time to save it. (More to follow...) Posted 4:02 PM | Permalink |
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I was really bummed out when Mr Willis came out with Die Hard 4. Reading Michael Yon's blog you'd think that he was really going to make the movie about deucefour. It's a great compelling, patriotic story, but I guess Hollywood would rather make their anti-Iraq loser flops.
Considering their Messi-uh Obama won the election, I don't think they'll come out with a patriotic movie anytime soon. Maybe in about 30 years.
One movie I would add to your list is "Master and Commander: The Far Side of the World". It takes place during the Napoleonic wars and provides a great example of leadership and the training of future leaders.
Tears of the Sun is a great movie showing how hum anitarian missions can evolve into battles.
I honestly can't recall why I left Master and Commander off the list. It's a great film and would undoubtedly have gotten more votes than some I included. Plus, Ive unintentionally dissed the Navy...
On a related note, I could have included "Flyboys" as a nod to the Air Force, but it really fell short in many regards. (It's good, but not really a contender for "great".)
When was the last good "Air Force" movie? Memphis Belle?
Not to nitpick Greyhawk, but you forgot Hamburger Hill (which I loved) and Braveheart. Even though I knew that Braveheart was extremely historically inaccurate the story that Mel Gibson portrayed was awesome. Hell, afther watching the movie I wanted to help kick the British out of Scotland.
"FREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEDOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM!!!"
Mel Gibson Braveheart LOL!
Don't forget "Pork Chop Hill" with Gregory Peck, on how the daily grind of combat wears on the unit's leader.
Mr. Peck actually introduces the movie with a sober opening statement that explains why we were there, why Pork Chop Hill was important, and why it should be recorded and remembered by Americans.
Can you imagine one of our toy boys doing that today?
Not sure the various Meat Hill movies meet my "recent" criteria. They are good 'uns.
'Braveheart' I should have included. But it would have to compete with 'We Were Soldiers' for hearts and minds of Mel Gibson voters.
The Patriot, too.
Ten is the limit for that poll service. I'll probably run a couple more of these movie polls.
Any nominees for all time worst "anti-war" movie? I mean really bad story, direction, acting, script, and an over the top nauseating anti-war plot ...
I say "Deerhunter".
Oh I loved Memphis Bell!
OOPs didn't finish reading the prior posts..YES! Deerhunter...worthless waste of celophane or whatever they call the 'tape' movies were run on. I didn't see one redeeming quality. It was just sick.