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October 17, 2008

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Hey Joe, where you goin' with that plumber's helper in your hand?

By Greyhawk

As noted yesterday, Joe the Plumber is an unlicensed plumber - not approved by the government or The Union:

Mr. Wurzelbacher’s notoriety has raised the ire of Tom Joseph, business manager for Local 50 of the United Association of Plumbers, Steamfitters, and Service Mechanics, who claimed that Mr. Wurzelbacher didn’t undergo any apprenticeship training.

"When you have guys going out there with no training whatsoever, it’s a little disreputable to start with," Mr. Joseph said. "We’re the real Joe the Plumber."

Actually, he's been working for six years - so in Joe's case experience isn't an issue.

Not so in other cases. Meet Joe Shanks, "a licensed master plumber and owner of Joe's Plumbing Service"

Shanks, an independent voter, said he's supporting Republican Sen. John McCain, citing the official's career experience in office as the deciding factor for him. . . . Shanks likened the decision to a homeowner in need of a plumber - would you hire the guy who just got his trade license, he asked, or a seasoned professional?"
Could it be possible that plumbers aren't a monolithic voting block - or that some would defy the Union?

Elsewhere:

...the way the pro-Obama media and bloggers, and Obama himself, have responded to Joe has got me nearly shaking with rage. They are attempting to destroy a man — a private citizen — who had the audacity to ask The One a question. Mind you, Joe was on his front lawn playing football with his son when Obama strolled up to give him his hopenchange spiel. Obama approached Joe, not the other way around. And Joe asked Obama an honest question. And Obama gave him an honest — and very, very revealing — answer. Again, mind you, the embarassment was on Obama's end, not Joe's. It wasn't a gotcha question.

And yet, for that Joe is being pilloried, every aspect of his private and professional life being sorted through and exposed. To prove ... what? What does that have to do with Obama's answer? What does Joe's situation have to do with Obama's philosophical answer — that he wants to "spread the wealth"? Obama's answer goes down the memory hole while the nation concentrates its fire on obliterating Joe the Plumber.

So once again prompting me to ask: Down the memory hole? Gosh, who could have seen that coming? (But then, I'm an experienced blogger...)

But now that I think about it, this issue: "And yet, for that Joe is being pilloried, every aspect of his private and professional life being sorted through and exposed. To prove ... what?" ...is probably equally important, and equally revealing.

Of course, pointing that out is an "attack", right?

Update: Senator Obama ridicules: "How many plumbers do you know makin' a quarter million dollars a year?"

Actually, that's not what Joe said - and the Senator knows it:

"I'm getting ready to buy a company that makes 250 to 280 thousand dollars a year," Wurzelbacher said. "Your new tax plan is going to tax me more, isn't it?"
And for the record, Obama gave a long, thoughtful answer that indicated he understood that Joe was talking about business revenue - not personal income ("if your revenue is above 250 – then from 250 down, your taxes are going to stay the same")
I was impressed by the honesty (not the sentiment) of the Senator's unscripted answer to Joe (Obama: "I think when you spread the wealth around, it's good for everybody"). But I suspect it's not polling well.


Posted by Greyhawk / October 17, 2008 9:21 AM | Permalink

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Message to Joes everywhere: Go inside. Lock the door.

If Obama knocks, don't answer.

However, if cornered, the correct response is "Everything is fine sir, thanks to you."

Suddenly, the journalists who wouldn’t lift a finger to investigate Obama’s longtime relationships with Weather Underground terrorist Bill Ayers and Jeremiah Wright sprang into action rifling through citizen Joe Wurzelbacher’s tax records. Politico.com reported breathlessly: “Samuel J. Wurzelbacher has a lien placed against him to the tune of $1,182.92. The lien is dated from January of ’07.” Press outlets probed his divorce records. The local plumbers union, which has endorsed Obama, claimed he didn’t do their required apprenticeship work and didn’t have a license to work outside his local township.

Yup - all the while pretty much missing the point - as they did in the Palin attacks - that "warts and all" Joe is indeed pretty much an "Average Joe". (Even if no one like him works in a newsroom in America, or could be found in a Journalism School.)

I guess these goobers in the media and Obama's campaign don't understand the phrase will it play in Peoria.

Attacking an average, umm, Joe for asking a question just isn't going to sit well with pretty much anyone.

In 2004 approx 38% of the union members in this state voted for Bush according to exit polls. I suspect it may have been higher and since I am one of them in the bldg trades union I have good reason to believe it will be higher this year.
Bldg trades people are not your typical Teamster, AFSME or UAW union person. Many are just blue collar, hard working, gun clinging and family oriented people who served in the military and believe in their rights and are willing to defend them. Don't tell anyone but some even believe in God. Shhh!

It's not polling well because it is Socialism: enforced equality.

That isn't American and people do not like to hear their politicians threatening it.

a year spent covering the Obama campaign and the media has never offered to confirm Barack has, or ever had, a license to practice law. I don't know what States he has passed the bar in...

24 hours after Joe spoke up, the press is openly discussing his lack of a license and reporting his tax difficulties. Pretty hollow when Rangel is under investgation for tax fraud.

one other point...

Barack Obama has repeatedly said that his tax plan would not affect individuals below 250k.

The AP offers another version-

"Obama would increase the tax rate to 39 percent from 36 percent on joint income over $250,000 and individual income over $200,000."

http://apnews.myway.com/article/20081016/D93RPFO00.html

It would appear that Obama doesn't know his own system of taxation. In this case, not only Obama failed to accurately report their proposed tax margin, but his disciples in the press and lefty blogs have continually used 250K as their number, admitting that they have not read Barack's tax plan.

When McCain "goes negative", he attacks an unrepentant bomb-throwing terrorist.

When Obama goes negative he attacks a hard-working plumber.

Just about says it all, doesn't it?

How much do plumbers make? A quick search shows an average salary around $42,000/ year. But what about the business owner? I checked out plumbing businesses for sale at this website and the first few I checked ALL had annual revenues over $250,000- some had revenues well over $500,000.
I don't know what kind of taxes they pay now, but I think they have good reason to worry about what they will pay under an Obama administration.

http://www.businessbroker.net/Keyword/Plumbing-Businesses_For_Sale.aspx

Joe the Plumber is guilty:

Lèse majesté is the crime of violating majesty, an offense against the dignity of a reigning sovereign or against a state.
He has embarrassed The 0ne. Off with his head!

Its crazy how quickly the media will attack all of us (the average Joe) and will call us racists, religious fanatics, etc. Why won't the Left-wing illuminaties just admit that they all worship the "chosen one" and will protect the Prince of Change at all cost?

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November 26, 2010


America@war
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I think anyone who's ever pondered the "comment" option - once only available on blogs and bulletin boards, now ubiquitous on almost any web site - will appreciate this:
The so-called faculty of writing is not so much a faculty of writing as it is a faculty of thinking. When a man says, "I have an idea but I can't express it"; that man hasn't an idea but merely a vague feeling. If a man has a feeling of that kind, and will sit down for a half an hour and persistently try to put into writing what he feels, the probabilities are at least 90 percent that he will either be able to record it, or else realize that he has no idea at all. In either case, he will do himself a benefit.

That's wisdom from the past, captured for posterity at the US Naval Institute, shared via the web on the institute's 137th anniversary.

From their about page:

The Naval Institute shall remain

INDEPENDENT - A non-profit member association, with no government support, that does not lobby for special interests;

NON-PARTISAN - An independent, professional military association with a mission, goals and objectives that transcend political affiliations; and shall encourage

IDEAS - Through its respected journals Proceedings and Naval History, its conferences, its books and its online content, in support of those who serve.

"The Naval Institute has three core activities," among them, History and Preservation:

The Naval Institute also has recently introduced Americans at War, a living history of Americans at war in their own words and from their own experiences. These 90-second vignettes convey powerful stories of inspiration, pride, and patriotism.

Take a look at the collection, and you'll see it's not limited to accounts from those who served on ships at sea, members of the other branches are well-represented.

I'm fortunate to have met USNI's Mary Ripley, she's responsible for the institute's oral history program (and she's the daughter of the late John Ripley, whose story is told here). She also deserves much credit for their blog. ("We're not the Navy nor any government agency. Blog and comment freely.") We met at a milblog conference - Mary knew (and I would come to realize) that milbloggers are the 21st-century version of exactly what the US Naval Institute is all about. Once that light bulb came on in my head, I mentioned a vague idea for a project to her - milblogs as the 21st century oral history that they are.

"Put that in writing," she said (of course - see first paragraph above!) - and here's part of the result.

Shortly after the first tent was pitched by the American military in Iraq a wire was connected to a computer therein, and the internet was available to a generation of Americans at war - many of whom had grown up online. From that point on, at any given moment, somewhere in Iraq a Soldier, Sailor, Airman or Marine was at a keyboard sharing the events of his or her day with the folks back home. While most would simply fire off an email, others took advantage of the (then) relatively new online blogging platforms to post their thoughts and experiences for the entire world to see. The milblog was born - and from that moment to this stories detailing everything from the most mundane aspects of camp life to intense combat action (often described within hours of the event) have been available on the web...

And et cetera - but since you're reading this on a milblog, you probably knew that. And you know that milblogs aren't just blogs written by troops at war, that many friends, family members, and supporters likewise documented their story of America at war online in near-real time, as those stories developed.

The diversity in membership of that group is broad, the one thing we all have in common is the impulse to make sense of the seemingly senseless, and communicate the tale - for each of us that impulse was strong enough to overcome whatever barriers prevent the vast majority of people from doing the same. Everyone at some point has some vague idea they believe should be shared - we were the people who, from some combination of internal and external urging, found and spent those many half hours persistently trying to write it down.

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But where will all that be in another 137 years? Or five or ten, for that matter. That's something I've asked myself since at least 2004 - when I wrote this:

Closing Blogs is nothing new. So many site's owners just give up on their own. They come and go, you know, these MilBloggers do. Like any other sort of blogger. Many post in the lonely down hours far from home, spill their guts for the world, then abandon their spots when the tour of duty is up. They have lives again somewhere in the world, and no need to share the details. So it goes.

Many are truly gone - no site left at all. "The page cannot be found." Other blogs remain, like abandoned defensive positions in shifting desert sands.

Membership in the ghost battalion has grown in the years since, and an ever growing majority of those abandoned-but-still-standing sites are vanishing. Have you checked out Lt Smash's site lately? How about Sgt Hook's? If you're a long-time milblog reader you know the first widely-read milblog from Operation Iraq Freedom and the first widely-read milblog from Afghanistan are both gone from the web. If you're a relative newcomer to this world you may never even have heard of them - or the dozens upon dozens of others who carried forth the standard they set down.

If you have a vague notion that something should be done about that, (a notion I've heard expressed more than once...) then you and I and the good folks at the US Naval Institute are in agreement. Preserving the history documented by the milbloggers is just one of the goals of the milblog project, the once-vague idea that we're now making real.

And it's a big idea, if I say so myself - too big to explain in one simple blog post, so stand by for more. Likewise, it's too big a task to be accomplished by just one person. So if you're a milblogger (and exactly what is a milblogger? is a topic for much further discussion on its own) I'm asking for your help. All I'll really need is just a little bit (maybe just one or two of those half hours...) of your time, and your willingness to tell the tale.

We've already made history, it's time to save it.

(More to follow...)




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Tending Distant
Fires


Far from hearth and home, watching
Cold alone but not alone
On distant shore and only wanting
Safe return and little more

What tales we'll tell
When that time comes
When tales can be told

When things grim
Seem far away
When other fires go cold

Some distant sunset, vision fading
Memories remain
And tired eyes gaze 'pon folded flags
While distant drums beat their refrain

Saluting fallen friends whose names
And youth will never fade
Here's to those on other shores,
for them live well, the price is paid

- Greyhawk,
Baghdad,
December 2004