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 Greetings! You are reading an article from The Mudville Gazette. To reach the front page, with all the latest news and views, click the logo above or "main" below. Thanks for stopping by! October 6, 2008 Joe Vogler and the AIPBy GreyhawkIs there a difference between forming a political party that wants to use the ballot to achieve it's goals and forming a terrorist organization that prefers to use bombs? At TPM Election Central the answer appears to be "no". Will the name Joe Vogler start appearing in the mainstream media alongside Jeremiah Wright and Bill Ayers? He's the founder of the Alaskan Independence Party, and certainly an interesting character - to say the least. He died a couple of years before Todd Palin joined AIP, but you can hear a lengthy interview with him here, and visit the Party's web page here. They're libertarian in nature, which probably explains why Democrats would consider them a threat, compare them with the Weathermen, and believe that all properly indoctrinated Americans would share those feelings. If (or when?) the AP, CNN, NY Times et al start following the TPM lead and publish moral equivalence stories conflating these folks with terrorist groups, third-party (or independent) voters should become very worried about their future. Update: For those who might have missed it, here's Vogler's position on Alaskan Statehood, from segments 15 qand 16 of the linked audio: "We're seeking a plebescite, in which there'll be three choices, with Alaskans voting on it. That is our prime motive, just we want a vote. We'll live by the results of it." Posted by Greyhawk / October 6, 2008 11:12 AM | Permalink 11 Comments |
November 26, 2010America@war [Greyhawk]
I think anyone who's ever pondered the "comment" option - once only available on blogs and bulletin boards, now ubiquitous on almost any web site - will appreciate this:
The so-called faculty of writing is not so much a faculty of writing as it is a faculty of thinking. When a man says, "I have an idea but I can't express it"; that man hasn't an idea but merely a vague feeling. If a man has a feeling of that kind, and will sit down for a half an hour and persistently try to put into writing what he feels, the probabilities are at least 90 percent that he will either be able to record it, or else realize that he has no idea at all. In either case, he will do himself a benefit. That's wisdom from the past, captured for posterity at the US Naval Institute, shared via the web on the institute's 137th anniversary. From their about page:
"The Naval Institute has three core activities," among them, History and Preservation: The Naval Institute also has recently introduced Americans at War, a living history of Americans at war in their own words and from their own experiences. These 90-second vignettes convey powerful stories of inspiration, pride, and patriotism. Take a look at the collection, and you'll see it's not limited to accounts from those who served on ships at sea, members of the other branches are well-represented. I'm fortunate to have met USNI's Mary Ripley, she's responsible for the institute's oral history program (and she's the daughter of the late John Ripley, whose story is told here). She also deserves much credit for their blog. ("We're not the Navy nor any government agency. Blog and comment freely.") We met at a milblog conference - Mary knew (and I would come to realize) that milbloggers are the 21st-century version of exactly what the US Naval Institute is all about. Once that light bulb came on in my head, I mentioned a vague idea for a project to her - milblogs as the 21st century oral history that they are. "Put that in writing," she said (of course - see first paragraph above!) - and here's part of the result. Shortly after the first tent was pitched by the American military in Iraq a wire was connected to a computer therein, and the internet was available to a generation of Americans at war - many of whom had grown up online. From that point on, at any given moment, somewhere in Iraq a Soldier, Sailor, Airman or Marine was at a keyboard sharing the events of his or her day with the folks back home. While most would simply fire off an email, others took advantage of the (then) relatively new online blogging platforms to post their thoughts and experiences for the entire world to see. The milblog was born - and from that moment to this stories detailing everything from the most mundane aspects of camp life to intense combat action (often described within hours of the event) have been available on the web... And et cetera - but since you're reading this on a milblog, you probably knew that. And you know that milblogs aren't just blogs written by troops at war, that many friends, family members, and supporters likewise documented their story of America at war online in near-real time, as those stories developed. The diversity in membership of that group is broad, the one thing we all have in common is the impulse to make sense of the seemingly senseless, and communicate the tale - for each of us that impulse was strong enough to overcome whatever barriers prevent the vast majority of people from doing the same. Everyone at some point has some vague idea they believe should be shared - we were the people who, from some combination of internal and external urging, found and spent those many half hours persistently trying to write it down. But where will all that be in another 137 years? Or five or ten, for that matter. That's something I've asked myself since at least 2004 - when I wrote this:
Membership in the ghost battalion has grown in the years since, and an ever growing majority of those abandoned-but-still-standing sites are vanishing. Have you checked out Lt Smash's site lately? How about Sgt Hook's? If you're a long-time milblog reader you know the first widely-read milblog from Operation Iraq Freedom and the first widely-read milblog from Afghanistan are both gone from the web. If you're a relative newcomer to this world you may never even have heard of them - or the dozens upon dozens of others who carried forth the standard they set down. If you have a vague notion that something should be done about that, (a notion I've heard expressed more than once...) then you and I and the good folks at the US Naval Institute are in agreement. Preserving the history documented by the milbloggers is just one of the goals of the milblog project, the once-vague idea that we're now making real. And it's a big idea, if I say so myself - too big to explain in one simple blog post, so stand by for more. Likewise, it's too big a task to be accomplished by just one person. So if you're a milblogger (and exactly what is a milblogger? is a topic for much further discussion on its own) I'm asking for your help. All I'll really need is just a little bit (maybe just one or two of those half hours...) of your time, and your willingness to tell the tale. We've already made history, it's time to save it. (More to follow...) Posted 4:02 PM | Permalink |
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Notice how nobody in the liberal-socialist media brings up Sarah Palin's ties to the Libertarian Party, which are much stronger and much more current.
Palin attended two Libertarian Party of Alaska meetings in 2005/06 as a guest speaker. She also accepted the endorsement of Libertarian Gubernatorial candidate Billy Toien - her opponent in the race - the last 3 days of election 2006.
But of course, calling Palin a "libertarian" would be too positive; it would actually help the McCain/Palin ticket by attracting libertarian votes. After all, the Libertarian Party is America's third largest party. So, the liberal-socialist media just concentrates on the much more obscure AIP connection.
Man these people are nuts. I actually never heard of tpm and will make sure I never look at it again. But geesh, in six weeks the msm has done 50 anal exams of Palin and come up with nothing then have to make loads of crap up about her. By contrast in 20 months the msm will not report anything TRUE about Obama.
As I've said, there is not only a fundamental difference between secession and terrorism, but the AIP doesn't even deserve the attacks it's getting from the Huffington Post. If anything, a lot of its practical goals on its platform are ones that liberals would cheer like getting rid of sovereign immunity for government agents, so that civil rights lawyers can actually nail them when they abuse their authority and commit crimes under the color of law, and the AIP supports jury nullification as a check on the legislature. All in all, the AIP is actually a very reasonable party if its platform is any indication, and seems to draw a lot of good views from both sides of the aisle.
So let me see. You are okay with someone saying he hates America as long as he is not Jeremiah Wright.
You people are jokers.
Sarah Palin has real and documented connections to the Alaska Independence Party..
Alaska Independence Party leaders have also claimed that Sarah Palin was a member before she was elected mayor of Wasilla,
It is also an extreme right-wing party whose leaders in recent years have broken from the Republicans because they see the Bush-Cheney Republicans as "too liberal." Its present leaders have both praised Sarah Palin and denounced John McCain.
Here is a little history on the Alaska Independence Party. The Party was founded by an ultra-rightist gold miner, Joe Vogler in the 1970s with an "anti-American" platform. Palin has denounced those abroad in oil rich countries who "hate America." Joe Vogler hated America. He said in the 1970s, "I'm an Alaskan, not an American. I have no use for America or her damned institutions."
Later Vogler said that "the fires of hell are frozen glaciers compared to my hatred of the US government. And I won't be buried under their damn flag....when Alaska is an independent nation they can bring my bones home." He said this in an oral history interview at the University of Alaska in 1991, at which time Bill Ayers had rejected his own past and had become respectable. Two years later Vogler disappeared. A criminal subsequently confessed to murdering him in a conflict over the sale of plastic explosives (which may suggest terrorism).
At least Rev. Wright has never advocated seceding from America nor that the "fires of hell are frozen glacier compared to my hatred of the US..
To read the whole story go to-
http://www.politicalaffairs.net/article/articleview/7531/
There's a difference between pulpits and political lecterns, too. I actually meant to point that out in the post.
I don't need to defend anything Vogler or Wright say. I've been defending their right to say it for over two decades. (Defending from guys like Bill Ayers, as a matter of fact.)
AIP "far right'? No - libertarian, as I pointed out above. But I can understand why the marxist web site you linked (I'm not making that up, for those who didn't follow the link, it's Marxist Thought Online) sees them as "far right", and I understand why you people feel they are dangerous.
As for the full story, I linked the actual source page for the audio interview in the post above, and refrained from telling anyone how they needed to feel about what the man said therein. I'd urge anyone who wants the "whole story" to go listen to what he says and make up their own minds. Or visit the Alaskan Independence Party page also linked in the post itself.
Or believe what the Marxists tell you to believe.
This is completely off topic, but I received this by way of e-mail and it disturbs me greatly. I know that the left will destroy this country, but I have a hard time refuting what appears to be the fact that Republicans refuse full mandatory VA funding.
Any help on answering this challenge is appreciated.
http://www.veteranreportcard.org/reportcard.pdf
With this added note:
(If you're a veteran and don't like the message, I'm listening. If you
didn't serve, well, you know...)
Well, I'm not a veteran, but you are, or will be.
Kill the messenger so you can kill the message, eh' Greyhawk? The quotes are accurate regarding Joe Vogler. The left will destroy America? Good God people, just what kind of demented concept of "America" do you have? It seems something akin to the old Soviet Union! One Party, One Opinion, One Thought, One Leader! The only difference would be your mandatory "One Religion".
So did you hear on the news today that retirement accounts have now lost trillions in value? The stock market has taken another downturn? Nearly 700,000 people have lost their jobs in the last nine months? But what do you people want to talk about? Character assassination. Yeah, that's really going to the economy around. How about you Alaskans Firsters go live on an island and form your own country. You can appoint McCain and Palin as your dictators for life. You can call your new political organization "Breeders and Brainwashers for Jebuz". Just do all of us a big favor and quit calling yourselves Americans. You fools reek but not of patriotism.
Thedes ... the obstructive fingerprints of your fellow-travelers in Congress on the Left are all over this financial train wreck.
And if you think that the slouching towards socialism that such as these consistently advocate, will get us out of this mess, you need to study history.
You decry our focus on figuring out "who is Barack Obama" ... yet you are obsessed with someone the Palins stopped associating with YEARS and YEARS ago ... someone they NEVER had either a 20-year long relationship (like Obama/Wright) or a WORKING relationship (like Obama/Ayers).
Can you even see how hypocritical you are in pursuing this?
BTW, your theophobia and arrogance is showing.
You lost me on that "kill the messenger" bit Thedes - I have no idea what you're talking about.
And actually there's already a post up here detailing how the congressional Dems set off this financial crisis, so no avoiding. Nice try - but changing the subject once you realized how badly your attempt fell flat is pretty obvious to folks here, too.
Palin should be impeached, take a look at joe
vogler;they are members to the (AIP) Alaskan
Independence Party wanting THE ALASKAN SECESSIONIST. aGAINST OUR COUNTRY. Shocking?