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September 4, 2008

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Democrat Response to Palin Speech

By Greyhawk

Over on NPR's web site they've posted the Obama response to Sarah Palin's speech. There's no additional commentary from anyone at NPR, just the text:

Obama Camp Response to Palin Speech

From Obama spokesman Bill Burton:

The speech that Governor Palin gave was well delivered, but it was written by George Bush's speechwriter and sounds exactly like the same divisive, partisan attacks we've heard from George Bush for the last eight years. If Governor Palin and John McCain want to define 'change' as voting with George Bush 90% of the time, that's their choice, but we don't think the American people are ready to take a 10% chance on change.
No shockers there - if you aren't familiar with the Obama camp's response to everything about McCain, it's that McCain is Bush. That response could easily have been written before the speech, giving Mr Burton a chance to catch up on some sleep. Nothing wrong with that. Likewise it's fine for NPR to publish the response. I like NPR. I enjoy listening to NPR.

But they also have a comment function. Ten of the first dozen comments appear to come from Obama supporters (or at least McCain/Palin opposition). That doesn't shock me either - NPR has a reputation as "liberal". As "intellectual" too.

A couple of those comments are fairly innocuous...

The press are so easily impressed my an actor...She should win an academy award not the Vice Presidency. Sent by sue b | 3:52 AM ET | 09-04-2008

The forcefulness of the speech is notable. Force is not a good thing.
Sent by Sherrie Connelly | 2:56 AM ET | 09-04-2008

...and - to be honest, vague. Unless there's a mailing list they're on but I'm not then I'm not sure why these folks believe I would know exactly what aspect of her speech was "acting" (I assume beyond normal levels for a political speech) or exactly why "force" is bad. (I used force to open a peanut butter jar just the other day.)

"Michael", on the other hand, was disturbed by Palin's unscientific view of global warming, and her lack of an inspiring "aura" like Obama's:

In considering Gov. Palin and her comments, bear in mind that if McCain is elected, she has a good chance of becoming president. The speech was professionally delivered and written by someone else. It was heavy on attacking Obama, with no new ideas (other than drill like a drunken sailor) or original thought. Country first, perhaps, but we are in a very interconnected world, with serious problems. We cannot ignore global warming any more than John McCain could opt to ignore his melanoma. When it comes to medicine we take scientific information seriously. Why not respect science in other cases? It can also be said for Obama that his aura of leadership really inspires. This is important, and I sensed no such inspiration in Palin's speech. Sorry, but I'm not ready to roll the dice on President Palin.
Sent by Michael Rich | 2:58 AM ET | 09-04-2008
And "kyle" is concerned about losing the votes of the "Women not wearing their thinking caps" who could be "brainwashed" if Obama doesn't give Hillary some money to pay off her "dept":
this is a letter i'm about to send via email and u.s. postal to high profile Dems and the Obama staff members, each of them:

As a voter of Obama in the primaries, I have a worry but also a hope:
that if he pays off Hillary's dept, he will further cement needed votes
that McCain plans to steal with Palin on his ticket.

After her speech, it now is paramount that Obama does so.

Women not wearing their thinking caps will be brain washed into voting for a ticket that will over turn their rights, not only a anti choice candidate BUT a potential VP (and president her self) that is even against choice in case of rape and incest.

as McCain has pointed out already,
he may be the one to replace 3 justices on the Supreme Court.

make a copy or send your own message to your senator....the time is now!
Sent by kyle | 3:54 AM ET | 09-04-2008

While "Beth-Ann" has created her own Republican Policies to oppose:
The McCain/Paulin 2008 Domestic and Foreign Policies

1) Economic plan--Sen. Obama is Evil
2) Energy Plan--Obama is a dumb blonde
3) Housing Crisis--Sen. Obama has horns
4) Unemployment-Democrats suck
5) Middle class tax--Obama is socialist
6) Foreign Dictators-Obama's too pretty to lead
7) Social security-Obama is not American, he graduated at the top of his law school class.
8) Medicare plan--Obama/Dems/Europe are the new axis of Evil
9) Global warming-Obama is a teacher's pet
10)Belief in Evolution-Obambi is a ZERO, get behind the McCain HERO
11) Sex Education, STD prevention: Did someone say sex? Sex should be banned, birth-control should be banned. Obstience only eduction.
12) Expansion of Executive Power--Obama is too skinny to lead
12) Religious Testing for Government positions-We are all Americans today (well, except Obambi)
13) Separation of church and state: We have no proof that Obama is NOT a terrorist
14) Role of Supreme court, Congress, and Declaration of War-He will sell Our country to Russia
15) Immigration: Obama hates baseball and says he's "allergic" to Apple pie!
Sent by Beth-Ann | 4:15 AM ET | 09-04-2008

She's very witty - compared to the rest. And I love her call for "eduction". I think Americans can benefit greatly from eduction.

Next, Palin is an evil danger to our country:

This woman is evil. Our country is in danger. someone PLEASE stop this before our country gets out of control...oh wait..it has already been out of control for 8 years. Do I have to move to canada if Caribou Barbie gets elected?
Sent by eileen dorn | 2:26 AM ET | 09-04-2008
They never keep that promise. A few minutes later "Kathleen" starts out okay, but can't keep her sanity beyond 1.5 sentences:
McCain's choice for running-mate shows complete distain for the people outside his own party. Palin is no fence-builder who can be trusted to lead the entire nation; instead I fear she would dance gleefully around a fire upon which burned all the liberals and Democrats, environmentalists, women's rights advocates, and non-Christians of this nation. If Obama becomes President, I know he'll be respectful of the beliefs of those who now support McCain. It's not a mutual respect. If McCain wins, I'll be applying for citizenship in Canada as a political refugee.
Sent by Kathlean Wolf | 2:31 AM ET | 09-04-2008
Canada is awful close to Alaska, though.

"Valle" seems to combine all the feelings of hate expressed by the others with the imaginary positions technique employed by "Beth-Ann":

"Saint" Palin shoots wolves from the sky, guts moose publicly and gleefully, treats her opponents (Lydia Green) cruely and without regard, yields power abusively, wants to tear up the alaskan wildlife refuge, thinks global warming is the name of a beauty salon, lies about her political activities, beleives Alaskas proximity to Russia gives her foreign poicy expertise, and beleives no woman has any right what so ever to choose her reproductive destiny. And worst of all, she and MCinsane will probably win. It makes my heart sick. And by the way, how can she be so pro life and so hell bent on killing everything else?
Sent by Valle | 3:32 AM ET | 09-04-2008
But perhaps - after all that - the most amazing comment is this one from L. Schexnider, who assures us that the liberal-burning, hell bent on killing everything but babies, global warming-causing, evil, dangerous Palin and her Republican cohorts have only one weapon to use against real Americans - FEAR!
It is so unfortunate that the Republicans have but one weapon: fear. Fear Obama because he's a Muslim; fear Obama because he's eloquent; fear Obama because he's got an Ivy League education; fear Obama because he speaks of hope and change! Um, I may be wrong, but arent' those the same qualities our forefathers possessed when they proposed our separation from England? Maybe the Republicans should take their own advice and be fearful of no change at all.
Sent by L. Schexnider | 2:32 AM ET | 09-04-2008
I'm not sure either, but if "L" is right I imagine our Ivy League educted, eloquent Muslim "forefathers" might be turning over in their graves (and perhaps annoying our foremothers in the next casket over). Or maybe "L" didn't mean what "L" wrote.

Finally, if "Judy Smith" is arguing in favor of Democrats, she might want to read her comrades' comments next time before adding her own thoughts:

Haven't we had enough "force", name calling and demeaning of people who do not agree with you? It has been 8 years of this and it hasn't worked. We need real change.
Sent by judy Smith | 3:14 AM ET | 09-04-2008
This isn't from the keyboard kommandoes at the Sniffington Post or Daily Kooze. Again, that's ten of the first twelve comments, unedited, from NPR readers. (The other two appear to be from Republicans). Perhaps NPR commenters aren't representative of "mainstream" Democratic thought and are merely a lunatic fringe of the Party. I've got nothing against against NPR and don't hold them responsible for that content - and I'll repeat, I enjoy NPR radio myself. They simply posted the Obama response and let others have their say - a big reason I love America.

But I am thankful that Mudville commenters - regardless of their political leanings - are a much more thoughtful, intelligent, and freethinking lot than this strange and sad crew.


Posted by Greyhawk / September 4, 2008 10:58 PM | Permalink

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I don't know. I think Beth-Ann has given me something to seriously consider. I've never really thought about Obstience Eduction.

What truly scares me is that they probably vote!

On September 5, Obama (Obama Bin….?) gave one of his floundering
"speeches" at which he was looking at
notes prepared for him by his "experts." As was inevitable he touched
on the "energy issue" and how the Democrats would use all resources
(me too, now that Mc Cain said that before). One of the resources he
read off his notes was "Hydrogen." That would be difficult, the
Candidate said, because there are just so many rivers and the
geography makes it difficult to harness them all or words to that
effect.
The Candidate obviously does not distinguish between hydroelectric power (of
which there is only so much available and only about 12 to 20 percent
of the total electric power generation in the USA is hydroelectric)
and the chimera of using hydrogen as "energy source" which does not
exist in nature and must therefore be produced either by electrolysis
or natural gas reformation both of which processes require
theoretically as much energy as one can obtain from the "produced"
hydrogen and in practice about 60% more. Therefore hydrogen is not a fuel in
the ordinary sense but only an energy carrier (just as a battery is, for instance)
and one still has to get the energy elsewhere in order to produce hydrogen.
Obama apparently does not know this although if he spent an afternoon
with a few handbooks he might be able to grasp this "issue" as in fact
everyone can and, in our opinion, should.
But he will not do that, he seems too lazy. Do you want someone like that
run the United States?

The first thing that strikes me after reading those comments is the appalling level of spelling abilities on the part of the left. Why won't these people proofread their posts before posting?

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November 26, 2010


America@war
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I think anyone who's ever pondered the "comment" option - once only available on blogs and bulletin boards, now ubiquitous on almost any web site - will appreciate this:
The so-called faculty of writing is not so much a faculty of writing as it is a faculty of thinking. When a man says, "I have an idea but I can't express it"; that man hasn't an idea but merely a vague feeling. If a man has a feeling of that kind, and will sit down for a half an hour and persistently try to put into writing what he feels, the probabilities are at least 90 percent that he will either be able to record it, or else realize that he has no idea at all. In either case, he will do himself a benefit.

That's wisdom from the past, captured for posterity at the US Naval Institute, shared via the web on the institute's 137th anniversary.

From their about page:

The Naval Institute shall remain

INDEPENDENT - A non-profit member association, with no government support, that does not lobby for special interests;

NON-PARTISAN - An independent, professional military association with a mission, goals and objectives that transcend political affiliations; and shall encourage

IDEAS - Through its respected journals Proceedings and Naval History, its conferences, its books and its online content, in support of those who serve.

"The Naval Institute has three core activities," among them, History and Preservation:

The Naval Institute also has recently introduced Americans at War, a living history of Americans at war in their own words and from their own experiences. These 90-second vignettes convey powerful stories of inspiration, pride, and patriotism.

Take a look at the collection, and you'll see it's not limited to accounts from those who served on ships at sea, members of the other branches are well-represented.

I'm fortunate to have met USNI's Mary Ripley, she's responsible for the institute's oral history program (and she's the daughter of the late John Ripley, whose story is told here). She also deserves much credit for their blog. ("We're not the Navy nor any government agency. Blog and comment freely.") We met at a milblog conference - Mary knew (and I would come to realize) that milbloggers are the 21st-century version of exactly what the US Naval Institute is all about. Once that light bulb came on in my head, I mentioned a vague idea for a project to her - milblogs as the 21st century oral history that they are.

"Put that in writing," she said (of course - see first paragraph above!) - and here's part of the result.

Shortly after the first tent was pitched by the American military in Iraq a wire was connected to a computer therein, and the internet was available to a generation of Americans at war - many of whom had grown up online. From that point on, at any given moment, somewhere in Iraq a Soldier, Sailor, Airman or Marine was at a keyboard sharing the events of his or her day with the folks back home. While most would simply fire off an email, others took advantage of the (then) relatively new online blogging platforms to post their thoughts and experiences for the entire world to see. The milblog was born - and from that moment to this stories detailing everything from the most mundane aspects of camp life to intense combat action (often described within hours of the event) have been available on the web...

And et cetera - but since you're reading this on a milblog, you probably knew that. And you know that milblogs aren't just blogs written by troops at war, that many friends, family members, and supporters likewise documented their story of America at war online in near-real time, as those stories developed.

The diversity in membership of that group is broad, the one thing we all have in common is the impulse to make sense of the seemingly senseless, and communicate the tale - for each of us that impulse was strong enough to overcome whatever barriers prevent the vast majority of people from doing the same. Everyone at some point has some vague idea they believe should be shared - we were the people who, from some combination of internal and external urging, found and spent those many half hours persistently trying to write it down.

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But where will all that be in another 137 years? Or five or ten, for that matter. That's something I've asked myself since at least 2004 - when I wrote this:

Closing Blogs is nothing new. So many site's owners just give up on their own. They come and go, you know, these MilBloggers do. Like any other sort of blogger. Many post in the lonely down hours far from home, spill their guts for the world, then abandon their spots when the tour of duty is up. They have lives again somewhere in the world, and no need to share the details. So it goes.

Many are truly gone - no site left at all. "The page cannot be found." Other blogs remain, like abandoned defensive positions in shifting desert sands.

Membership in the ghost battalion has grown in the years since, and an ever growing majority of those abandoned-but-still-standing sites are vanishing. Have you checked out Lt Smash's site lately? How about Sgt Hook's? If you're a long-time milblog reader you know the first widely-read milblog from Operation Iraq Freedom and the first widely-read milblog from Afghanistan are both gone from the web. If you're a relative newcomer to this world you may never even have heard of them - or the dozens upon dozens of others who carried forth the standard they set down.

If you have a vague notion that something should be done about that, (a notion I've heard expressed more than once...) then you and I and the good folks at the US Naval Institute are in agreement. Preserving the history documented by the milbloggers is just one of the goals of the milblog project, the once-vague idea that we're now making real.

And it's a big idea, if I say so myself - too big to explain in one simple blog post, so stand by for more. Likewise, it's too big a task to be accomplished by just one person. So if you're a milblogger (and exactly what is a milblogger? is a topic for much further discussion on its own) I'm asking for your help. All I'll really need is just a little bit (maybe just one or two of those half hours...) of your time, and your willingness to tell the tale.

We've already made history, it's time to save it.

(More to follow...)




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Tending Distant
Fires


Far from hearth and home, watching
Cold alone but not alone
On distant shore and only wanting
Safe return and little more

What tales we'll tell
When that time comes
When tales can be told

When things grim
Seem far away
When other fires go cold

Some distant sunset, vision fading
Memories remain
And tired eyes gaze 'pon folded flags
While distant drums beat their refrain

Saluting fallen friends whose names
And youth will never fade
Here's to those on other shores,
for them live well, the price is paid

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