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July 16, 2008

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While America Slept (Part two)

By Greyhawk

From comments on part one:

I just returned from my second embed in Iraq, this time with the 25th Infantry north of Baghdad, and I agree completely with Michael Yon - the war in Iraq is over.

It will probably be a Northern Ireland-style sectarian fight for some time, with high casualty attacks drawing attention, but not really reflecting the country as a whole.

The difference between this summer and last summer is vast. Granted, I was in two different places, but both were awful in 2007 - Bayji, and now Tarmiyah. Last year, attacks were every day. This year, IEDs were very rare and small arms were unheard of.
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Michael Yon's right, and he's got a hell of a lot more knowledge than me...there's no reason for an independent journalist to go back to Iraq, though I might follow up with the same unit before they redeploy - The story of the Sons Of Iraq isn't "action-filled," but it's so interesting it deserves a much closer look than I was able to give it.

Afghanistan is where the war is now; it's where it always was...

I left out a significant part of the comment raising several issues somewhat off the topic immediately at hand here, but I urge one and all to read it in full on the post.

The comment was from Nathan Webster, whose latest entry at the Long War Journal can be found here. Nathan's work has also appeared (as has much good reporting from Iraq) in local coverage of the units in which he has embedded and the troops therein.

I believe Nathan Webster shares Mike Yon's POV: from the perspective of the combat reporter, the war in Iraq is over. There will still be combat, but the odds of being embedded with the right unit at the right time have dropped from slim (as it was at best outside the early surge ops or the major city battles - unless you were willing to spend a significant amount of time with one unit) to none - or at least prohibitively long.

As for Afghanistan, one aspect of realizing the Iraq war was won last fall when it happened is that by February you could point out that the conversation needed a bit more focus on that front. (Though even my February questions might be outdated now.)

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Part three is here.


Posted by Greyhawk / July 16, 2008 10:28 PM | Permalink

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You've represented my POV accurately, though for me to be mentioned in the same sentence as Michael Yon is a complete joke...haha...

Your point in your previous comment about the combination of extra troops/money coming in at the same time making the big difference is well taken...there needed to be a complete rethink of how the US approached the entire country, which the extra troops enabled...so I was making my original point too literally.

Moreover, the extra troops are what enabled the US to start up the JSS program, where we actually maintained a presence in the cities and were able to talk face-to-face with the local leaders who now run the Sons of Iraq.

For instance, in Bayji in 2007, the company commander would drive out and talk with a few local tribal leaders and basically harangue them into getting on board with the promise of money, support and peace and quiet. There were rare joint patrols, and the soldiers were absolutely bitter, angry and disgusted that they had to sit and pull security for four to six hours while the CO talked to a sheikh who had previously been detained - for hiding Saddam Hussein in that very house!

But, a year later and I can see the results of meetings like that, although in Tarmiyah and not in Bayji. But, I also haven't seen Bayji in the news for a long time...so hopefully, it's equally quiet there.

For instance, the US relationship with Sheikh Imad and his father Jassim seemed very genuine. The Iraqi pair wants this to work - but they also want their own version of security within the Shiite-dominated government, which is the next big challenge.

I expect to have a few more posts on Long War Journal that will hopefully explain a little more about the Sons of Iraq. I felt like my last few days I started to understand it.

I don't want to come across as saying there is no need for reporters in Iraq. Since vast amounts of US taxpayers money is being spent on this program, there is more, not less reasons for coverage. If/When I go back (but Afghanistan beckons), that SoI story would be my focus.

"I don't want to come across as saying there is no need for reporters in Iraq."

Again I agree with you 100%. I'm glad to have the chance to re-emphasize the word "combat" in "combat reporters" - there will be plenty of newsworthy events in Iraq, to include death and destruction.

But while guys like you and Yon and Totten and Roggio and others re-wrote the book on war reporting, few non-traditional journalists will go to Iraq to report on the non-combat developments. While understanding Mike Yon's focus, I honestly think he's missing an opportunity to "finish the story" on Iraq.

By the way, I'm not sure the bad guys in Afghanistan can sustain their recent ops tempo.

Hey...thanks for the plug.

Here is a link to one of my other stories that I liked a little better.

I appreciated your comment about non-traditional reporters rewriting the book on war reporting. I think guys like Yon and Totten (and Doug Grindle and John McHugh and many others) showed guys like me that it's feasible (and props to the military embed program, which is what makes it possible) to actually return to what Ernie Pyle tried to do, which is tell the story at the soldier level, in their hometown newspapers. But, the newspaper business being what it is, I'm not sure that's a long term plan, either...You're right that Roggio's site is the way of the future.

You are correct about trying to cover actual 'combat' as being completely blind 'luck.' While the first trip had it's share of danger, there were no true 'combat operations.' This time, the operational tempo was certainly primed for combat at any moment, but there was never the same sense of dread. There were IEDs, but they were targeting the SoIs. There seemed to be a deliberate attempt to not target the US (but they had a mortar attack right after I left, so the summer might change things).

Like I think you meant, it's a big story - how we won the war - and with reporters leaving, or not returning, it might never really get told. There's plenty to be cynical about, and I am, but throwing around boxes of $100 bills got people to stop shooting at us, and that counts for a lot.

It's worth noting that we used that strategy in Afghanistan from day one in 2001, when we had no problems paying off heroin-dealing Northern Alliance warlords so...it's obviously too bad that Baathist/Republican Guard captains and lieutenants couldn't have recieved the same courtesy back in 2003, since we're paying them now anyway.

I am leaning toward a winter trip to Iraq with the same unit for the main purpose of really studying and writing about the SoI program and our relationship with the Iraqis, at least in this one city. I think that's a more untold, and very interesting story.

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November 26, 2010


America@war
[Greyhawk]
I think anyone who's ever pondered the "comment" option - once only available on blogs and bulletin boards, now ubiquitous on almost any web site - will appreciate this:
The so-called faculty of writing is not so much a faculty of writing as it is a faculty of thinking. When a man says, "I have an idea but I can't express it"; that man hasn't an idea but merely a vague feeling. If a man has a feeling of that kind, and will sit down for a half an hour and persistently try to put into writing what he feels, the probabilities are at least 90 percent that he will either be able to record it, or else realize that he has no idea at all. In either case, he will do himself a benefit.

That's wisdom from the past, captured for posterity at the US Naval Institute, shared via the web on the institute's 137th anniversary.

From their about page:

The Naval Institute shall remain

INDEPENDENT - A non-profit member association, with no government support, that does not lobby for special interests;

NON-PARTISAN - An independent, professional military association with a mission, goals and objectives that transcend political affiliations; and shall encourage

IDEAS - Through its respected journals Proceedings and Naval History, its conferences, its books and its online content, in support of those who serve.

"The Naval Institute has three core activities," among them, History and Preservation:

The Naval Institute also has recently introduced Americans at War, a living history of Americans at war in their own words and from their own experiences. These 90-second vignettes convey powerful stories of inspiration, pride, and patriotism.

Take a look at the collection, and you'll see it's not limited to accounts from those who served on ships at sea, members of the other branches are well-represented.

I'm fortunate to have met USNI's Mary Ripley, she's responsible for the institute's oral history program (and she's the daughter of the late John Ripley, whose story is told here). She also deserves much credit for their blog. ("We're not the Navy nor any government agency. Blog and comment freely.") We met at a milblog conference - Mary knew (and I would come to realize) that milbloggers are the 21st-century version of exactly what the US Naval Institute is all about. Once that light bulb came on in my head, I mentioned a vague idea for a project to her - milblogs as the 21st century oral history that they are.

"Put that in writing," she said (of course - see first paragraph above!) - and here's part of the result.

Shortly after the first tent was pitched by the American military in Iraq a wire was connected to a computer therein, and the internet was available to a generation of Americans at war - many of whom had grown up online. From that point on, at any given moment, somewhere in Iraq a Soldier, Sailor, Airman or Marine was at a keyboard sharing the events of his or her day with the folks back home. While most would simply fire off an email, others took advantage of the (then) relatively new online blogging platforms to post their thoughts and experiences for the entire world to see. The milblog was born - and from that moment to this stories detailing everything from the most mundane aspects of camp life to intense combat action (often described within hours of the event) have been available on the web...

And et cetera - but since you're reading this on a milblog, you probably knew that. And you know that milblogs aren't just blogs written by troops at war, that many friends, family members, and supporters likewise documented their story of America at war online in near-real time, as those stories developed.

The diversity in membership of that group is broad, the one thing we all have in common is the impulse to make sense of the seemingly senseless, and communicate the tale - for each of us that impulse was strong enough to overcome whatever barriers prevent the vast majority of people from doing the same. Everyone at some point has some vague idea they believe should be shared - we were the people who, from some combination of internal and external urging, found and spent those many half hours persistently trying to write it down.

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But where will all that be in another 137 years? Or five or ten, for that matter. That's something I've asked myself since at least 2004 - when I wrote this:

Closing Blogs is nothing new. So many site's owners just give up on their own. They come and go, you know, these MilBloggers do. Like any other sort of blogger. Many post in the lonely down hours far from home, spill their guts for the world, then abandon their spots when the tour of duty is up. They have lives again somewhere in the world, and no need to share the details. So it goes.

Many are truly gone - no site left at all. "The page cannot be found." Other blogs remain, like abandoned defensive positions in shifting desert sands.

Membership in the ghost battalion has grown in the years since, and an ever growing majority of those abandoned-but-still-standing sites are vanishing. Have you checked out Lt Smash's site lately? How about Sgt Hook's? If you're a long-time milblog reader you know the first widely-read milblog from Operation Iraq Freedom and the first widely-read milblog from Afghanistan are both gone from the web. If you're a relative newcomer to this world you may never even have heard of them - or the dozens upon dozens of others who carried forth the standard they set down.

If you have a vague notion that something should be done about that, (a notion I've heard expressed more than once...) then you and I and the good folks at the US Naval Institute are in agreement. Preserving the history documented by the milbloggers is just one of the goals of the milblog project, the once-vague idea that we're now making real.

And it's a big idea, if I say so myself - too big to explain in one simple blog post, so stand by for more. Likewise, it's too big a task to be accomplished by just one person. So if you're a milblogger (and exactly what is a milblogger? is a topic for much further discussion on its own) I'm asking for your help. All I'll really need is just a little bit (maybe just one or two of those half hours...) of your time, and your willingness to tell the tale.

We've already made history, it's time to save it.

(More to follow...)




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Tending Distant
Fires


Far from hearth and home, watching
Cold alone but not alone
On distant shore and only wanting
Safe return and little more

What tales we'll tell
When that time comes
When tales can be told

When things grim
Seem far away
When other fires go cold

Some distant sunset, vision fading
Memories remain
And tired eyes gaze 'pon folded flags
While distant drums beat their refrain

Saluting fallen friends whose names
And youth will never fade
Here's to those on other shores,
for them live well, the price is paid

- Greyhawk,
Baghdad,
December 2004