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Greetings! You are reading an article from The Mudville Gazette. To reach the front page, with all the latest news and views, click the logo above or "main" below. Thanks for stopping by! October 19, 2007 On VictoryBy GreyhawkIn our last episode...
Welcome to part 3. Hah - it was a trick question. Actually I didn't say anything. It was too loud, as I said above. I just gave a thumbs up, the bird launched, and within seconds we were over the wire and 100 feet above the rooftops of Baghdad. Katie Couric recently flew over town, too: We arrived at the airport this morning on a private plane. I was surprised to hear that there are now three Royal Jordanian flights into Baghdad every day. It was difficult to see much from the air ... though I did see the Tigris River. The scope of the destruction can better be taken in at ground level. I had heard a great deal about the corkscrew landing into Baghdad airport, ostensibly to avoid being a clear target for SAMs, or surface-to-air missiles.... But the airport has gotten much more secure; we banked slightly, but it wasn't nearly as jarring as I had anticipated. Three flights a day, a lack of destruction - obviously the smooth landing wasn't the only surprise. Before actually seeing Baghdad she may have had images like these in mind... ![]() If so, fair enough. That's what war looks like. And recovery can take years... ![]() ![]() War is hell. Nothing can compare to a helo ride over a major city in a war zone. It's a roller coaster off the rails, with an added element of people below who probably would enjoy killing you. If you can get over that, the view is amazing. The bird tilts to turn, and the windows are huge, and when you're barely a hundred feet up it's spectacular. From higher up the haze and smog blur and obscure... But drop in low, below the smog layer, and the picture clears... ![]() And what causes that smog? Partly the wind-blown dust, partly the exhaust of vehicles in a city of millions, and less and less often the fires of war... But primarily the industry of Iraq... ![]() ![]() Just loverly, isn't it? There's little large-scale destruction visible in Baghdad. Like Katie Couric, I saw none. There is damage, to claim otherwise would be ignorant and arrogant. And here and there empty space where buildings may once have stood. But the real infrastructure problems with Baghdad - and they are significant - are a lack of continuously flowing electricity and water. Much of that is due to Saddam's years of neglect, some to decades of war, and more to a few years of terrorist attacks - all of which is made worse by people simply stealing bits and pieces for their own use, profit, or survival. None of this is seen at 200 feet, what you do see is a city of people going about their business, driving and walking through the streets, probably hoping they won't be blown up by a suicidal maniac before sundown, but otherwise just going about their lives. There are many damaged people, too - and likewise that damage isn't visible from above. Much of it is internal; and only time and God can repair a damaged spirit or fix a shattered soul. Though perhaps some hurts will never heal. Something else you don't see in this ancient city: anything ancient. But you will see the modern. In the distance, the Mother of all Mosques, rising still unfinished far above it's surroundings... That Mother of all Mosques moniker is bogus of course. Prior to 2003 it was known as the Grand Saddam Mosque - where Saddam spent billions as his people starved. It's since been renamed the al Rahman Mosque. That edifice should not be confused with the Mother of all Battles Mosque (and that's it's actual name!)... Indeed...
And even farther off - too far for a photo - the skeletal frame of what would have been the worlds largest mosque towers above its surroundings. A few days ago I posted this entry at MilBlogs: We've won the war. I wanted to say that with a very short and to the point post, with none of the ifs, ors or buts that a more reticent observer may have tossed in. I recognize now I should have extended my entry to six words: "We've won the war in Iraq". I expect that the statement will unnerve the war's supporters who fear that the next act of violence in Iraq will offer the war's opponents yet another opportunity to insist we're defeated - or at least in a "quagmire" - but it's still a fact (as is that next act of violence). And I realize the degree of rage this will invoke in those opposed to our efforts - at least those who are politically opposed - but given the magnitude of their investment in defeat it should surprise no one if twenty years from now they're still insisting we lost. As for those engaged in actual armed combat against us, I addressed them in my first followup to that original post:
Being in Iraq I can assure you that along with the al Qaeda exclusion there's a corollary to that Kerry quote that must also be acknowledged: No one wants to be the last man to die for a victory, either. But either way, someone will be "that guy". And I write this in full recognition that I could be that guy. I've been writing about Iraq here for four years now - in and out of country. I've been here during many of the most violent months of the war; from the second battle for Fallujah through the January, 2005 elections, and from the launch of the surge to the present - and I'm not homebound yet. In all that time progress has been achingly slow, and back steps have been mixed with forward - but never the majority. Throughout it all - until now - I've never declared victory, seen "light at the end of the tunnel", or even claimed to have "turned a corner" - you can take your bumper sticker slogans and shove 'em. Over here a tenacious and bloodthirsty enemy has fought a well-designed and multi-faceted campaign against us, perhaps secure in the knowledge that blame for every child they killed or each holy place they defiled would be shifted to us even as they washed the blood from their hands. Their efforts gained support from many quarters (not all of which were anticipated in preparation for or included in response to their actions) and condemnation from few. But the ranks of their opponents - at least here in Iraq - are large and still growing, and theirs are neither. The battles are diminishing but ongoing, losses will be suffered, and blood will still be shed. Still more of their supporters may redouble their efforts. But in short, while I recognize this will provoke immeasurable rage from those who feel we've lost, and consternation among those who know we've won but lack the fortitude to make the declaration at this point in time, I'll say it again: we've won the war in Iraq. We overflew the Monument to the Unknown Soldier, built during Saddam's eight year war with Iran. ![]() Reliable casualty figures for that war do not exist. The people of Iraq have known nothing but war for almost 30 years. Soon they may know peace. Saddam's victory declarations - in the forms of new Mosques, monuments, and palaces, were invariably premature. On the ironically American-named Victory Base Complex one can see the still incomplete Victory Palace, built to commemorate Saddam's victory over the coalition in the 1991 Persian Gulf War. Among all the monuments and above the clamor of victory parades one should always hear the words of Robert E. Lee: "It is well that war is so terrible -- otherwise we should grow too fond of it." There is work to be done. At one point in our flight over Baghdad I glanced down to see we were flying directly over Saddam's crossed swords, seen here from the opposite perspective. These modern victory arches may be the most recognizable features of one of the world's most ancient cities. We should have demolished them in 2003. If American troops come home in Victory from Iraq it will be only the second time we've ever returned victorious from a war on foreign soil. The first was World War One. We left Baghdad, returned "home". The pilot flew in hot then quickly tilted the bird up to use the rotors to slow the ship before leveling out and hitting the ground. We'd picked up a few more passengers along our way, and delivered them to places they needed to be. Now the mission was over. The sun was dropping low in the sky. I grabbed my gear and hit the ground, having been delivered damn near to my front door. After a few steps one of the gunners caught up with me. "What did you think?" He asked. "That was awesome. I would have paid you for that." "Baghdad always surprises me," he said. "We fly over real nice houses, with swimming pools and nice lawns, and then we also fly over shacks made out of sticks. It's like... like..." "It's like Los Angeles." I concluded for him. "Yeah, exactly." We laughed. A little. Next: Fox on the Airfield Previously: Posted by Greyhawk / October 19, 2007 10:55 PM | Permalink 21 Comments |
February 3, 2010Dawn Patrol 02/03/2010 [Mrs Greyhawk]
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AFGHANISTAN/PAKISTANPentagon Behind Obama Schedule for Deploying Troops to Afghanistan -- [FOX] Mullen: Afghanistan success window small -- [Washington Times] US Marines facing a 'different war' in Afghanistan -- [AFP] Predators pound terrorist camp in North Waziristan -- [Long War Journal - Bill Roggio] Eyes in the Sky -- [Army Live] Revenge on the Taliban, from 10,000 feet -- [Washington Post] Pakistan blast kills US soldiers (Video) -- [BBC] 3 G.I.s Killed in Pakistan. Now Can We Start Treating This Like a Real War? -- [Danger Room - Noah Shachtman] Never take it for granted -- [One Marine's View - in Afghanistan] It's the Economy, Undergraduate -- [At War] Around ANA Land -- -- [Afghanistan My Last Tour - in Afghanistan] Dari Keyboard -- [Afghanistan My Last Tour - in Afghanistan] Taking Tea with the Taliban -- [Commentary Mag - Michael Rubin] New Afghan police officers graduate -- [Helmand Blog] U.S. military officers could face punishment over ambush in Afghanistan -- [Washington Post] Afghans protest to Iran over border killings -- [Reuters] IRAQBomb kills 20 in Iraqi Shi'ite city of Kerbala -- [Reuters] Obama, Biden meet with Iraqi VP -- [AFP] Iraq court lifts ban on hundreds of candidates -- [Atlanta Journal Constitution] Blair Called a Liar in Iraq Inquiry -- [NY Times] U.S. AND OTHER PARTS OF THE WORLDMultiple Air Force crews, Landstuhl staff team up to save Peace Corps member injured in Kazakhstan -- [Soldiers' Angels Germany ] Iran hints at prisoner swap for 3 U.S. hikers -- [Washington Times] US Denies Speaking to Iran About Prisoner Swap -- [Voice of America] Ahmadinejad backs deal to remove bulk of enriched uranium from Iran -- [Washington Post] US wary as Iran president agrees nuclear deal terms -- [BBC] Emergency Assistance Still Hasn't Reached Many Haitians -- [Washington Post] China's threat to sanction US firms in arms sale could backfire -- [Los Angeles Times] Corrected: Obama to meet Dalai Lama despite Chinese warnings -- [Reuters] WAR ON TERROR /TERRORISMPanetta: Terror Attack in US Likely Soon -- [Military.com/AP] Would-be LAX terrorist's prison sentence overturned as too lenient -- [Los Angeles Times] Bill Would Forbid Civilian 9/11 Trials -- [Military.com/Atlanta Journal-Constitution] DOJ's New Tool Against Criticism: New Media -- [FOX] Brennan: All Transferred Detainees Who Returned to Terrorism Were Released by Bush, No Recidivism for Those Released by Obama -- [ABC News] Is there an adult in there somewhere? Bueller? Bueller? -- [The Armorer] MI5 hunting breast implants of death -- [WND] SUPPORTING THE TROOPS...OR NOTImpact of deployment on kids -- negative reporting and troop bashing hurts them too -- [You Served] Interview with Lorrie Nichols of The Journal of An Army Wife -- [Army Wives Lives] The Predictably Unpredictable Army Strikes Again.... -- [SpouseBuzz - Andi] They Ache -- [SpouseBuzz - Sarah] Military OneSource Tax Filing Services -- [Military OneSource] Wounded Warrior returns to West Point as WTU Commander -- [Soldiers' Angels Germany] MILITARYLaw barring lies about military medals faces test -- [Washington Post] Why Stolen Valor doesn't violate 1st Amendment -- [This Ain't Hell...] Air Force Academy creates worship area for pagans, Druids -- [USA Today] The Wiccan Cross -- [Greyhawk]
WELCOME HOMEArrival at Home- Final Post -- [Doc H - home from Afghanistan] I have been home for a few days now. Tricia and the kids met me at the airport around midnight. It was a joyous reunion that was just a little overdue. Amazingly the kids went to school and continued their activities the next day. There was a nice banner on display in the house welcoming me back home. Our trip to home was even more circuitous as time went by. Due to a heavy snowstorm in Baltimore, our transatlantic flight diverted to JFK airport in New York. We had a night in a hotel nearby and completed our journey to Baltimore the next day Shorn -- [OPFOR - Lt Col P - heading home from Afghanistan]
THE MEDIA/SOCIAL MEDIAIf Not Now, When?: Duty and Sacrifice in America's Time of Need Wins 2010 Colby Award -- [PR Newswire] CSI: Miami - Promoting the Good in Iraq -- [A Soldier's Perspective] Jeremy Renner nominated for best actor in 'The Hurt Locker' 'The Hurt Locker' may rewrite script on Iraq war movies -- [NY Daily News] Charlie Brooker - How To Report The News
POLITICSSeeking balance: the 2010 Quadrennial Defense Review -- [Foreign Policy Review] Don't ask Don't Tell -- [Greyhawk] The Case Against Gays in the Military -- [Wall Street Journal] Credit Where Credit is Due -- [BlackFive - Grim] Marine Ilario Pantano for Congress! -- [BlackFive] HUMOR / SATIRE'Gays Too Precious To Risk In Combat,' Says General -- [The Onion]
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God bless you Mr.(& Mrs.) G.
Thank you, that was excellent. I always thought Baghdad was just a block big, with barbwire, U.S. Soldiers, kids wanting their picture taken, and craters in the streets (let us not forget some burning car). It's amazing it's an actual city...
"If American troops come home in Victory from Iraq it will be only the second time we've ever returned victorious from a war on foreign soil. The first was World War One."
No, the first was the Mexican-American War.
Heh - we're still in Texas. ;)
New Mexico, Arizona, California...
That was a fantastic piece! Blogger reporting at its very finest! Thanks!
I think that America, as an eventual Ally, could claim WWII as well.
Great reporting and tremendously encouraging.
Thank you.
Another one of your many "best". Wish this would be picked up by important newspapers, and printed word for word. Stay Safe.
Awesome.
I will quibble. It doesn't look like Los Angeles. It looks like Guadalajara, except a little nicer.
Regards,
Ric
We're still in Europe. Japan too.
We don't come home from wars we win (add Korea and you can say "we don't come home from the wars we don't lose".) That's generally been more to other's benefit than ours.
>No, the first was the Mexican-American War.
The Barbary Wars.
You are so freakin awesome Greyhawk.
I just can't imagine getting through this war without the milblogs.
Funny that you mentioned Los Angeles. My wife and I spent my post-deployment leave in L.A. and I couldn't get over how much it reminded me of a slightly cleaner Baghdad, though with a tad more gunfire. I even flinched underneath overpasses.
We should have demolished them in 2003.
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I whole heartedly agree. Not only are they an ugly reminder of an ugly regime, they are just plain ugly.
I am constantly amazed at how hard you and your wife work to bring us the news-and for so long now. Thankyou for your incredible blog-we share it with anyone who will listen!
Good job, GreyOne. Your writing gets better and better. And my admiration for the job you and your Missus are doing grows with it. (It's about Greenland sized right now).
While I won't quibble with you about about when Victory should be declared, I will point out one thing. Victory in America's wars will never be in doubt as long as there is someone in charge who will never give up on this country, or on the desire for people everywhere to live in Freedom and in Peace. The American people have never been defeated and will never be defeated.....unless they choose to be defeated. The loss of faith in our military's abilities is the only thing which caused loss of any previous wars. And that was because our leadership gave up when they saw the press or the people turn against the war.
Amazing what one person with grit, determination, and the vast resources and supporting will of the American People can do for this world, ain't it?
"Never Give In. Never, never, never, never. In anything, great or small." - Sir Winston Churchill
Press on, GreyHawk. To Victory.
Subsunk
Fantastic post. I'm always grateful for your views. Thank you for everything.
After a day reading some lefty blogs half in disgust and half in realization that I should be reading righty blogs with disgust too (like with the whole SCHIP-Frost-Wilkerson-Stark debacle), this piece singlehandedly rejuvenated me. Thank you.
I get to Baghdag almost every night, either to or through Camp Victory. The place remindes me of Mexico. The stench is apalling, trash, heaped about, burning in some places. Overall, not as bad as the rest of the Country.
Great piece & great news. Thank you.
AWESOME! Thanks for sharing that with us. My sister and her husband spent a year in Iraq (Semper Fi!) and we spent most of the year in prayer for their safety. We haven't stop praying for all you boys and girls out there. Its sad that the Liberal illuminati media will never give a report a tenth as good as your blog. Keep up the good work and look forward to reading your future postings! God Bless!