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August 29, 2007Wearing the Black Flag (3)By GreyhawkThe story began here. Latest chapter here. Speaking of the Petraeus report.... It seems that those who routinely feed from the various toilets along the left wing information sewer are currently being instructed how to feel about said upcoming report. (Not think, mind you, but feel. Feel might not be exactly the right word either, but it's closer to it than thinking, which is an altogether different process.) It's a pretty slick trick - once again begging the question "are the people who write this stuff ignorant, or do they just think their readers are?" The answer, of course, is inconsequential. Which explains this: A majority of Americans don't trust the upcoming report by the Army's top commander in Iraq on the progress of the war and even if they did, it wouldn't change their mind, according to a new poll.No doubt they feel very strongly about that. Flashback: A Tactical Operations Center in Iraq is a place where the oldest of military "technology" meets the newest. In some locations it's actually located in a building, in many others it's a tent - a wood floored, air conditioned work space for a lot of folks whose job it is to monitor everything happening in their battlespace 24 hours a day, seven days a week. Communications feeds from a dizzying amount of sources run via wireless and wire into a multitude of computers and viewing systems, and from there through the eyes and into the protein data banks of highly trained and specialized individuals who will further process the data and determine what of all this does the boss need to know? It's a big tent. Source one: Man down. Location. Source two: We are ready to respond. Source three: Weather is below minimums. "How bad is it? Will it clear soon?" In a corner a computer screen displays a satellite view, one tweaked to reveal the spread of dust just above the surface of the earth. It will not improve for hours - but it won't get worse either. How bad is it? Doable - just barely - but bad enough that authorization must come from higher. Elsewhere: A group of Americans clusters around a fallen member of their team. They've done what they could for him - stabilized him to the best of their training. Started an IV. Moved to a location where a helicopter can land. Now they wait. Minutes pass like hours. The battle Captain makes the call to higher. Higher consults a staff weather officer. Higher gives okay. It's now up to the crew. They can declare the situation too risky at their discretion at any time during execution. They make their own final and very brief check with the weather guy. He tells them nothing reassuring - just the facts. Then they very quickly go. Did you think it would be otherwise? Minutes after they leave the TOC the sound of helicopters pounding the air into submission can be heard. They lift off, lights on, but only for the brief amount of time they are in "friendly" air space. There is one thing "good" about flying in such conditions - you aren't sharing air space with any other craft. So you don't have to worry about the other guys buzzing in from nowhere and accidentally bumping you to the ground. Because you'd have to be crazy to be out flying at a time like this. They pass over the wire about 10 seconds after launch, and the lights wink out. The noise of the rotors fades. Back in 2004, as U.S. forces preparred to clear Fallujah, the New York Times took great pains to point out that the Real Problem was Ramadi: RAMADI, Iraq, Oct. 21 - The American military and the interim Iraqi government are quickly losing control of this provincial capital, which is larger and strategically more important than its sister city of Falluja, say local officials, clerics, tribal sheiks and officers with the United States Marines. Major General Rick Lynch, Commanding General, Multi-National Division Central: General Odierno has charged Task Force Marne with securing the areas south and east of Baghdad and stopping the flow of weapons and violence through those areas. We're committing troops to these neighborhoods, and with the help of the Iraqi army and the police, demonstrating to the Iraqi people that we're not leaving until they have security and they're capable of maintaining it through their own efforts.
Levin, while saying military progress was being made, said the troop build-up could not be considered a success because its purpose was to make way for political reconciliation, and that hasn't happened.So, first the U.S. Congress will take a vacation... House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-California, told CNN in an interview Thursday that the surge in Iraq "has not accomplished its goal," and the first item on her agenda after the recess will be the war in Iraq....then after that vacation, they'll take a "recess"... Q And the second one is, there's been some confusion about the whens, hows, wherefores of the Crocker-Petraeus testimony to Congress. Can you say when they're going to testify before Congress and under what conditions?...and then hear from General Petraeus. The story continues here. Posted by Greyhawk / August 29, 2007 2:38 PM | Permalink 4 Comments |
November 18, 2009Dawn Patrol 11/18/2009 [Mrs Greyhawk]
Welcome to the Dawn Patrol, our daily roundup of information on the War on Terror and other topics - from the MilBlogs and various sources around the world. If you're a blogger, you can join the conversation. If you link to any of these stories, add a link to the Dawn Patrol too and your trackback will be added to the list. Hat Tips to the Dawn Patrol are greatly appreciated.Refresh for updates.
AFGHANISTAN/PAKISTANBoondoggle -- [3rd Time, New Country - in Afghanistan] Clinton in Kabul for Karzai's inauguration -- [Foreign Policy - AfPak] The war of leaks -- [Foreign Policy - AfPak] Ridding Afghanistan of Corruption Will Be No Easy Task -- [Los Angeles Times] Afghan Minister Accused of Taking Bribe -- [Washington Post] Vision for Victory, Part I -- [Washington Times] U.S. Turns to Local Guns-for-Hire to Guard Afghan Outpost -- [Danger Room - Noah Shachtman] NATO Chief Confident Afghanistan Will Have More Troops -- [Voice of America] Germany to extend Afghanistan mission another year -- [AP] Pakistani Successes May Sway US Troop Decision -- [New York Times] Where are Taliban and al Qaeda commanders, US media asks Pak -- [Daily News & Analysis] Pakistani Army Shows Off Captured Taliban Posts -- [Washington Post] IRAQIraqi Kurds Warn of Election Boycott in Dispute Over Seats - [Washington Post] US has time to reconsider Iraq drawdown plan-Odierno -- [Reuters] A few words from medics for the 41st Brigade -- [The Oregonian] Goodbye to Iraq, and thanks -- [The Oregonian] U.S. AND OTHER PARTS OF THE WORLDUS, China in Strained Diplomatic Embrace -- [Wall Street Journal] Obama: 'We've restored America's standing' -- [CNN] Somali Pirates : Maersk Alabama Attacked, Fights Back -- [Eagle Speak] Iranian COS Warns Russia: Your Security Is Tied To Ours -- [Memri Blog]
WAR ON TERROR /TERRORISMSuspected Fort Hood Shooter Believed to Be Self-Radicalized -- [Wall Street Journal] Guantánamo Won't Close by January, Obama Says -- [NY Times] SUPPORTING THE TROOPS...OR NOTNo Man Left Behind -- [Knottie's Niche] LTC Tim Karcher Update -- [Soldiers' Angels Germany] Support SA while Christmas shopping this year! -- [Soldiers' Angels Germany] Trees for Troops: Helping Military Families -- [AdAge.com] FOX 5 Special: I-Team VA Loans -- [FOX News] A FOX 5 I-Team investigation uncovered allegations of a nationwide scheme by banks and mortgage companies to defraud U.S. military veterans. The scheme, spelled out in court documents, claims banks are overcharging veterans on home refinancing loans. The question raised in a racketeering and class action law suit is how many of those loans involved banks defrauding U.S. military veterans. MILITARYMuslim discrimination in the U.S. military. Not. -- [Castra Praetoria] Time to revisit firearms policies on military posts -- [Atlanta Journal Constitution] Army's Record Suicide Rate 'Horrible,' General Says -- [Washington Post]
WELCOME HOMEVeterans' descendants welcome troops home to Fort Campbell -- [Clarksville Leaf Chronicle] 'Greywolf' Among First CAV Troops to Return Home -- [DVIDS] THE MEDIAWhere are Taliban and al Qaeda commanders, US media asks Pak -- [Daily News & Analysis] Army officials said that they have killed as many as 550 Taliban militants a month after the military began its campaign into the lawless territory, yet they acknowledge that hundreds, perhaps thousands more have melted away.
POLITICSRepublicans Criticize Obama's Call to Delay Hill Inquiries on Fort Hood -- [Washington Post] HUMOR / SATIRE
Iraq, Afghanistan, War, Terrorism, Military, Politics, Media, MilBlogs, dawn patrol Mudville
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Ah the irony...
"begging the question 'are the people who write this stuff ignorant, or do they just think their readers are?'"
I appreciate that the phrase's oft repeated misuse has become so prevalent as to make the usage largely accepted. However, when paired with questioning another's ignorance, I can't help but point it out. "Begging the question" is a form of fallacious argument wherein one requests ("begs") the audience to accept a conclusion ("the question") that is in fact one and the same as a crucial premise offered in support of that conclusion. It is often known as "making a circular argument," though is specifically those circular arguments that are not sound and are central to the debate (question) at hand.
Other than that pedantic matter, I take no issue with your post and hope you appreciate that my intent is to make you less vulnerable to fallacious arguements from the left that would try to discredit you over such things.
I trust less and less every day what comes from the mouths of any liberal in congress (not that there was much trust to begin with). It seems to me that they are more interested in bashing Bush and placing defeat at his feet than any concern they may have for our troops, or our nation. The fact that they cannot wrap their pitiful little minds around a war on the terrorists/Al Qaeda worrys me greatly in as much as that war may eventually come home to my child and future grandchildren. Damn them, damn them all to hell!
Admiral Tact,
"Begging the question" is used to mean "begging us to ask the question" MUCH more often than it is used in it's "correct" sense as a form of logical fallacy.
I wouldn't worry about it... nobody with anything useful to say would mention that as an attempt to discredit the post.
DaveS
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Under the event horizon which Washington DC, the news media, and our foreign "alliances" and enemies alike operate continues the hard and gritty work, the supreme dedication, the unsurpassed professionalism and unrivaled integrity of the United States miltary. A group of American Men and Women who operate together as the most finely tuned military machine in the world.
A machine which can eat up enemies and spit their carcasses out without hesitation. A machine which can provide the most forceful and yet the most compassionate civic leaders on this continent or the next, in the desert or the tundra, on the oceans or in the skies above. A machine that listens to everything the world has to say about how evil, misguided, incompetent, or bureaucratically immovable it is, and then immediately proves every single one of those cliches false by winning over the hearts and minds of Iraqis on the fence, eliminating as non violently as possible the evil actors in any area, and then rebuilding the infrastructure of every defeated enemy it has ever met. A machine that has yet to be tasked with some valiant deed which it won't at least attempt to achieve with all its might if ordered to do so by the proper authority.
Can someone tell me who mans such an organization, and does it so well?
Greyhawks words above show me that this machine is manned by the finest professionals in the world, and many of them sons and daughters of the finest folks in the world, American parents. It is manned by immigrants who shed their blood just for the chance to be a part of America. It is manned by YOUR kids, folks. Is there anyone who could possibly call themselves American who wouldn't support them and the mission they have been given, and desire and expect that mission to be won? I guess that would only be those unpatriotic enough to actually want to defeat them by stabbing them in the back through their own government or their own news organizations.
And you all know who you are.
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For the rest of us: We aren't worth these young people's spit!
Good post, Grey One.
Subsunk